Originally posted by Katsu
1. The architects who designed the World Trade Center designed it to withstand the direct impact and fuel fire of a commercial airline crash. Aaron Swirsky, one of the architects of the WTC described the collapse as "incredible" and "unbelievable." Lee Robertson, the project's structural engineer said: "I designed it for a 707 to hit it. The Boeing 707 has a fuel capacity comparable to the 767."2. The history of high-rise building fires provides no case histories of buildings collapsing due to steel beams melting from a fire.
3. The total collapse of WTC 1, WTC 2, AND WTC 7 (which was never even hit by a plane!) were all perfectly symmetrical and methodical. The three straight down collapses were all identical in appearance to well engineered, controlled implosions. A demolition company could not have done it better. Now that we know that all one has to do to bring a tall building straight down is set a fuel fire in it, the well trained experts who work for demolition companies should all be out of a job by now!
Yeah funny how they fell down in the same exact way controlled demolitions do.Matter of fact,David Ray Griffith showed a pic of WT7 falling down to a controlled demolition expert who didnt know about wt7 falling since the mass media and the 9/11 coverup commission never talked about it.He showed it to him and told Griffith that was definetely the work of controlled demolitions without knowing that was wt7 in new york.
When Griffith told him it was bld 7 he was shocked and said a coverup was definetely taking place that they didnt report it as being a controlled demolition.as you said so brilliantly and proved him wrong earlier,for the towers to fall the way they did strait down freefall speed the same way controlled demolitions do,to accept the governments version,then as you said so well brilliantly before,you got to use the idiotic logic that the laws of physics that the most brilliant scientists such as sir Isac newton have gone by for ages no longer apply anymore. 🙄
Like you said,they designed it so that it could take a hit from a boeing 707 with is only slighlty smaller than the 767 and would cause more damage than a 767 because it can fly at a faster speed than a 767 and it was designed to take a hit from one flying at TOP SPEEDS of 600 miles an hour which neither jet was flying at speeds of. Plus when the bombing of the towers happened in 93 there was a video made back then around that time later with one of the engineers saying on that video they were designed to take hits from MULTIPLE airliners. I'll take the words of the engineers and controlled demolition experts ANY DAY of the year over the delusional ramblings of some internet poster.
Originally posted by jaden101
as i've mentioned before i'm studying for a pHD in forensic science that includes a large part on fires and explosions so i know quite a bit about it...it also includes a small module on metallurgyfrom the official nist report..take from it what you will
if you're a mechanical engineering major then i would expect you to know the properties of mild steel...
however its all in Ryan Mackay's paper across 2 pages....he's a NASA engineer and knows more than i do about the metallurgical side of it
I'm not trying to knock all of that but again...
Originally posted by chithappens
Also, for as I know, most fuels can't burn over 800 C before they burn out... so, yea...
David Ray Griffith
that would be...the theologist...the theologist who didn't actually do any of his own work and based it the work of someone whos never visited the US...credible?
controlled demolition expert
name?...credentials?...company he/she works for?
Like you said,they designed it so that it could take a hit from a boeing 707 with is only slighlty smaller than the 767 and would cause more damage than a 767 because it can fly at a faster speed than a 767 and it was designed to take a hit from one flying at TOP SPEEDS of 600 miles an hour which neither jet was flying at speeds of. Plus when the bombing of the towers happened in 93 there was a video made back then around that time later with one of the engineers saying on that video they were designed to take hits from MULTIPLE airliners. I'll take the words of the engineers and controlled demolition experts ANY DAY of the year over the delusional ramblings of some internet poster.
the words of Leslie Robertson who was the chief structural engineer for the WTC disagree
and if you'd actually read the link to the person you're trying to use to back up your own claims own website it says it was designed to take the hit of a plane "perhaps lost in fog" how any plane would be flying at top speed just a few miles from what would be the airport it would be flying to or from is anyone's guess but i'm sure you like to justify it by talking shite and making stuff up...again
we'll even go back to the EXACT QUOTE
But mostly it was flying a lot faster.
which is reference to the plane that hit the towers compared to what the towers were designed for
before,you got to use the idiotic logic that the laws of physics that the most brilliant scientists such as sir Isac newton have gone by for ages no longer apply anymore.
idiot logic...i'm the one thats posted the scientific facts...you're the one that still trying to say people said stuff they never did...despite being shown several times that you're simply lieing
video evidence shows the the internal columns took as much as 25 seconds to totally collapse...thats a full 17 seconds slower than what total freefall would be...i suggest you check your facts before posting from now on
Also, for as I know,
luckily for the world, some people know the facts then eh?
for example...to quote this man
http://www.designcouncil.org.uk/en/Design-Council/2/Our-People/Council-Members/Chris-Wise/
It was the fire that killed the buildings - nothing on Earth could survive those temperatures with that amount of fuel burning
also Hyman Brown, John Knapton and other professors of structural engineering
Ok, now that we have proven that the WTC was rigged with explosives, we can focus on the Pentagon.
We are supposed to believe that a 757, traveling at 300 Knots dove over a batch of construction equipment immediately adjacent to the Pentagon wall, leveled out; and did a totally perfect strike at the convenient “Least-Risk Point,” then morphed its way through three rings of the Pentagon, turning left and right through the linking hallways, leaving aircraft pieces which defy accountability. All that, without damaging or burning the Pentagon lawn! All that by a pilot known to be an idiot at the controls of a small plane.
IMPOSSIBLE!
Originally posted by Katsu
Ok, now that we have proven that the WTC was rigged with explosives, we can focus on the Pentagon.We are supposed to believe that a 757, traveling at 300 Knots dove over a batch of construction equipment immediately adjacent to the Pentagon wall, leveled out; and did a totally perfect strike at the convenient “Least-Risk Point,” then morphed its way through three rings of the Pentagon, turning left and right through the linking hallways, leaving aircraft pieces which defy accountability. All that, without damaging or burning the Pentagon lawn! All that by a pilot known to be an idiot at the controls of a small plane.
IMPOSSIBLE!
*translation*
now that i've been raped little the ***** i am...i'm going to do my best to change the subject...again
The SUBJECT of this topic is 9-11. Now is it just me or was the Pentagon not hit by a plane on September the 11th?
Fool!
So once again, are we supposed to believe that a 757, traveling at 300 Knots dove over a batch of construction equipment immediately adjacent to the Pentagon wall, leveled out; and did a totally perfect strike at the convenient “Least-Risk Point,” then morphed its way through three rings of the Pentagon, turning left and right through the linking hallways, leaving aircraft pieces which defy accountability. All that, without damaging or burning the Pentagon lawn! All that by a pilot known to be an idiot at the controls of a small plane.
IMPOSSIBLE, ABSURD, RIDICULOUS!
Originally posted by Katsu
Yesterday my grandpa was visiting us. I told him that 9-11 was a fraud and explosives were used. He did not believe me. Then i showed him the following picture.He laughed and said: MMMMM, my eyes do not lie, its obvious grandson, you are right! 😄
well oh my god...i've just changed my mind about the whole thing then eh...i mean...your grandpa...how can i compete against that
wherther's original anyone???
Its everyone with Eyes vs Jaden who is blind!
The Pentagon is next on my list.
Are we supposed to believe that a 757, traveling at 300 Knots dove over a batch of construction equipment immediately adjacent to the Pentagon wall, leveled out; and did a totally perfect strike at the convenient “Least-Risk Point,” then morphed its way through three rings of the Pentagon, turning left and right through the linking hallways, leaving aircraft pieces which defy accountability. All that, without damaging or burning the Pentagon lawn! All that by a pilot known to be an idiot at the controls of a small plane?
Please reply JADEN?? The Pentagon? Stop dodging the questions here. THE PENTAGON!
Originally posted by Katsu
Its everyone with Eyes vs Jaden who is blind!The Pentagon is next on my list.
Are we supposed to believe that a 757, traveling at 300 Knots dove over a batch of construction equipment immediately adjacent to the Pentagon wall, leveled out; and did a totally perfect strike at the convenient “Least-Risk Point,” then morphed its way through three rings of the Pentagon, turning left and right through the linking hallways, leaving aircraft pieces which defy accountability. All that, without damaging or burning the Pentagon lawn! All that by a pilot known to be an idiot at the controls of a small plane?
Please reply JADEN?? The Pentagon? Stop dodging the questions here. THE PENTAGON!
i'll get around to it in good time little one...be patient
Originally posted by KatsuNo chance of that happening because it's collapsing into itself... no chance.
Yesterday my grandpa was visiting us. I told him that 9-11 was a fraud and explosives were used. He did not believe me. Then i showed him the following picture.He laughed and said: MMMMM, my eyes do not lie, its obvious grandson, you are right! 😄
You pwned all with this one.
MORE PROOF OF EXPLOSIVES BEING USED! NOW ITS SEISMOGRAPH VS LIES OF DISINFO AGENTS.
Seismographs at Columbia University's Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory in Palisades, N.Y., 21 miles north of the WTC, recorded strange seismic activity on Sept. 11 that has still not been explained.
While the aircraft crashes caused minimal earth shaking, significant earthquakes with unusual spikes occurred at the beginning of each collapse. The Palisades seismic data recorded a 2.1 magnitude earthquake during the 10-second collapse of the South Tower at 9:59:04 and a 2.3 quake during the 8-second collapse of the North Tower at 10:28:31. However, the Palisades seismic record shows that as the collapses began a huge seismic "spike" marked the moment the greatest energy went into the ground. The strongest jolts were all registered at the beginning of the collapses, well before the falling debris struck the Earth.
http://www.masternewmedia.org/news/2006/10/21/911_twin_towers_
THE PENTAGON INCIDENT
Japanese Parliament questions 9-11, Mr. Yukihisa Fujita:
"He began by addressing the evidence provided by the US Government that Flight 77 crashed into the Pentagon. He addressed the unwillingness of US Authorities to release footage of the impact despite the fact that over 80 security cameras captured the event. He then showed the damage done to the Pentagon and the 16 foot impact hole that a jumbo jet disappeared into. He showed pictures of the C ring of the pentagon which had been punctured during the impact and argued that the damage was totally inconsistant with the impact of a 757. They also pointed out the flight path of 77 and questioned why a plane, allegedly flown by terrorists, would fly past the Defense Secretary's office (the optimum target for a terrorist hell-bent on destroying the USA) and crash into the only wing of the Pentagon that had been recently reinforced to withstand bombs and plane impacts. Circumstances which directly conflict with the motives of the terrorists. They also cited a US Air Force official who said he had flown both types of aircraft flown on 9/11 and that it would be impossible for an inexperienced pilot to be able to carry out such a maneuver. He finished by pointing out the absurdity of a plane hitting the Military Command center of the United States an entire hour and a half after the country was known to be under attack when defenses should have been on high alert."
PLEASE DEBUNK THIS! I cant wait to see what lies you will come up with this time.
Seismographs at Columbia University's Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory in Palisades, N.Y., 21 miles north of the WTC, recorded strange seismic activity on Sept. 11 that has still not been explained.
i suggest you look up what Won-Young Kim and Arthur Lerner-Lam, the two siesmologists from Lamont-Docherty, had to say about that very interpretation of their observations
There is no scientific basis for the conclusion that explosions brought down the towers, That representation of our work is categorically incorrect and not in context.
also...already reading your second point and it's contradicting what you said in your last post...which was that the plane hit the weakest point...now its changed to "the only wing of the Pentagon that had been recently reinforced to withstand bombs and plane impacts"
if you're going to put up an argument...at least try and be consistent
Originally posted by Katsu
Oww Jaden, wait let me guess........Oprah was in the WTC and when she jumped down she caused the strange seismic activity. Yes this must be it!
yeah I'd also put money down and bet that he believes pro wrestling is real as well. the way he buys into the lies of 9/11. 😆
He really isnt worth the trouble.I mean you cant debunk that bombs were set off when all these people have come forward at their risk saying they have been given death threats if they talk about explosives being set off or body parts and bones being scattered all over the city and found on the streets and rooftops.an honest court with honest people would laugh their asses off over the governments version that towers fell straight down the same way buildings do in controlled demolitions at freefall speed.with an honest court with honest people,they would laugh their asses off over jadens ignoring of demolition experts and engineers testimony thats its impossible for that to happen to cause all these body parts to be scattered everywhere over just a mere collapse of a building from fire.LOL. and the laws of physics world known scientists have gone by for years. like you said earlier,he oe's obviously clueless on who sir isasc newton is so he's really not worth the trouble.
Originally posted by KharmaDogHe's worse than Tony Bliar and George Bush. It's so obvious he's lying, he doesn't even bother to try and hide it anymore. Although, he has done this for a long time: Commenting on a theorists post, but completely ignoring the immediate undeniably factual reply by someone else. It's really funny.
Notice how parker completely ignores that Jaden used Katsu's own evidence against him to prove him wrong. Actually he showed how conspiracey theorists totally (and most likely intentionally)misinterpreted Won-Young Kim and Arthur Lerner-Lam's findings.
Originally posted by KharmaDog
Notice how parker completely ignores that Jaden used Katsu's own evidence against him to prove him wrong. Actually he showed how conspiracey theorists totally (and most likely intentionally)misinterpreted Won-Young Kim and Arthur Lerner-Lam's findings.
quite sad really isn't it?...the fact that he's basically stuttering like an idiot..."but the engineers...but the freefall..but but"...all the stuff i've already proven to be completely false but he keeps saying them...obviously to try and reassure himself
never mind eh?...poor boy
Originally posted by KatsuI don't get it, what is your proof of it being a fraud and explosives being used?
Yesterday my grandpa was visiting us. I told him that 9-11 was a fraud and explosives were used. He did not believe me. Then i showed him the following picture.He laughed and said: MMMMM, my eyes do not lie, its obvious grandson, you are right! 😄