Semptember the 11th

Originally posted by lord xyz
You're a tool of the conspiracy nuts. Next you'll be saying I told you Clinton would be president/vice president/not the president depending on where she'll end up and come up with some bullshit excuse why.

What a waste of bandwidth attacking the person (MrParker)--rather than engaging the comparitive evidence supporting either the Bushite myth (hypothesis) or the controlled demolition hypothesis. Cheap shot--no substance lord xyz

When will RIDICULE be banned?

lord xyz, a tool, relies upon ridicule as his chief tool. This is intellectually lazy.

WTC7 is the entry point for many who now know that the 9/11 Commission Report is a farce.....a coverup.

Many explosions occurred which are not coincident to the planes' crashes--before, after, and preceding the collapses. 9/11 Commission Report OMITS these.

lord xyz ignores my post--and attacks MrParker. Cheap, chicken-shot lord xyz.

Until ridicule is banned, it is your ilk who deserve the ridicule.

Originally posted by whole2th
What a waste of bandwidth attacking the person (MrParker)--rather than engaging the comparitive evidence supporting either the Bushite myth (hypothesis) or the controlled demolition hypothesis. Cheap shot--no substance lord xyz

When will RIDICULE be banned?

lord xyz, a tool, relies upon ridicule as his chief tool. This is intellectually lazy.

WTC7 is the entry point for many who now know that the 9/11 Commission Report is a farce.....a coverup.

Many explosions occurred which are not coincident to the planes' crashes--before, after, and preceding the collapses. 9/11 Commission Report OMITS these.

lord xyz ignores my post--and attacks MrParker. Cheap, chicken-shot lord xyz.

Until ridicule is banned, it is your ilk who deserve the ridicule.

before you start spouting bullshit i suggest you read over this thread and see who has contributed what to the thread...

Originally posted by whole2th
What a waste of bandwidth attacking the person (MrParker)--rather than engaging the comparitive evidence supporting either the Bushite myth (hypothesis) or the controlled demolition hypothesis. Cheap shot--no substance lord xyz

Originally posted by whole2th
When will RIDICULE be banned?

Originally posted by whole2th
lord xyz, a tool, relies upon ridicule as his chief tool. This is intellectually lazy.

Originally posted by whole2th
WTC7 is the entry point for many who now know that the 9/11 Commission Report is a farce.....a coverup.

Originally posted by whole2th
Many explosions occurred which are not coincident to the planes' crashes--before, after, and preceding the collapses. 9/11 Commission Report OMITS these.

Originally posted by whole2th
lord xyz ignores my post--and attacks MrParker. Cheap, chicken-shot lord xyz.

Originally posted by whole2th
Until ridicule is banned, it is your ilk who deserve the ridicule.

Hey guys, let's keep it civilized in here. There's no need to be attacking anyone. Respect the opinions of others or don't participate!

Originally posted by whole2th
What a waste of bandwidth attacking the person (MrParker)--rather than engaging the comparitive evidence supporting either the Bushite myth (hypothesis) or the controlled demolition hypothesis. Cheap shot--no substance lord xyz

When will RIDICULE be banned?

lord xyz, a tool, relies upon ridicule as his chief tool. This is intellectually lazy.

WTC7 is the entry point for many who now know that the 9/11 Commission Report is a farce.....a coverup.

Many explosions occurred which are not coincident to the planes' crashes--before, after, and preceding the collapses. 9/11 Commission Report OMITS these.

lord xyz ignores my post--and attacks MrParker. Cheap, chicken-shot lord xyz.

Until ridicule is banned, it is your ilk who deserve the ridicule.

Boy you can say that again.Your finding out how when someone comes on here who doesnt accept the lies and propaganda by the government, rather than address your posts like they didnt with you,they engage in childish insults since they know they obviously cant counter your points and you will shoot them down. I would say its safe to say that 99 out of a 100 people even if they disagree with us would agree that my last post was mature and civilized and that their comments were childish attacks on me. well Im not going to take their bait and get into a flame war like they want me to.

anyway,yeah thats so true,many explosions occured which are inconsistant with the plans crash before and after and yeah the 9/11 coverup commission ignored these and every eyewitesses testimony that didnt go along with their version.if it didnt fit their version.not to mention that its known FATCS that witnesses have had their lives threatened and are scared half to death to come forward because of threats given to so many people.thats something they always blatantly ignore.

PEOPLE, THE ULTIMATE PROOF THAT EXPLOSIVES WERE BEING USED ON 9-11. I PRESENT TO YOU 500 TESTIMONIES OF PEOPLE WHO HEARD EXPLOSIVES GOING OFF IN THE BUILDINGS. ALL THESE PEOPLE WERE IN OR NEAR THE BUILDINGS ON 9-11.

NY Times & Victims Family FOIA Request making Suppressed Firemen Statements public:

A rich vein of city records from Sept. 11, including more than 12,000 pages of oral histories rendered in the voices

of 503 firefighters, paramedics, and emergency medical technicians, was made public 8/12/05.

The city has announced that it will also release today a written log of calls to the 911 system, many from trapped

office workers, as well as tapes of fire dispatchers. Other records, including tapes of 911 operators, are being assembled

and are not yet ready for release, city officials said.

The New York Times sought the records under the freedom of information law in February 2002, but the Bloomberg

administration refused to make them public and the newspaper sued the city. Earlier this year, the Court of Appeals,

New York's highest court, ordered the city to release most, but not all, of the records.

Over the last three and half years, The Times has obtained some of these records through unofficial channels, and they

can be found on the Web at www.nytimes.com/sept11

These include the dispatch tapes, nearly 100 of the Fire Department oral histories, and a log of calls to Emergency Medical

Service dispatchers that were channeled through the 911 system.

lhttp://www.nytimes.com/pages/nyregion/nyregionspecial3/

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/package...s_full_01.html

N.Y. Police Statements released under FOIA

http://www.flcv.com/nypolice.html

Audio Dispatches: NYFD and EMS

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/package...region/2005081

2_WTC_GRAPHIC/met_WTC_histories_full_05.html

FIREFIGHTER PATRICK MARTIN

WTC2

My lieutenant said he looked down at the first floor, and he could see the first floor of the south tower

like exploding out. I looked up. I looked up, and the sky was filled with that debris cloud.

Stephen Gregory , Assistant Commissioner (F.D.N.Y.) flashes, explosions p 14

I know I was with an officer from Ladder 146, a Lieutenant Evangelista, who ultimately called me up a couple of days later just to find out how I was. We both for whatever reason -- again, I don't know how valid this is with everything that was going on at that particular point in time, but for some reason I thought that when I looked in the direction of the Trade Center before it came down, before No. 2 came down, that I saw low-level flashes. In my conversation with Lieutenant Evangelista, never mentioning this to him, he questioned me and asked me if I saw low-level flashes in front of the building, and I agreed with him because I thought -- at that time I didn't know what it was. I mean, it could have been as a result of the building collapsing, things exploding, but I saw a flash flash flash and then it looked like the building came down.

Q. Was that on the lower level of the building or up where the fire was?
A. No, the lower level of the building. You know like when they demolish a building, how when they blow up a building, when it falls down? That's what I thought I saw. And I didn't broach the topic to him, but he asked me. He said I don't know if I'm crazy,

(Strangely, he talks about West Street, where he saw airplane parts, but nobody, and was wondering, no firefighters or civilians, that they probably must be on the Promenade side)then he says:

page 20 Q. Clearly not building material?
A. No. The building material was sort of gray and you could see it, you know, how it differed from the plane. I was listening to the tape this morning of the people calling up and they were describing the plane that hit the building. Actually, so many people saw it. They actually described the plane as it came in. They said it was a military-type plane and it was green and it was this. I mean, I never saw the color of the plane.

FATHER JOHN DELENDICK FDNY bombs & explosions before WTC2 fell

The top of the building kind of started to rumble, and we all looked up. So his original thought was that he thought it was a bomb up there as well.

I remember asking Ray Downey was it the jet fuel that blew up. He said at that point he thought there were bombs up there because it was too even. We didn't know the building came down. We just knew the top of the building exploded and didn't know what happened to the rest of the building.

CHIEF STEVE GRABHER-FDNY WTC2 poof,poof, windows pop out, explosion

Just as I go out of the building, one of my men says hey Captain, the building is coming down. I looked over my shoulder and you could see the whole top of south tower leaning towards us. It looked like coming over. You could see the windows pop out just like in the picture, looked like a movie. I saw one floor of windows pop out, like poof, poof. I saw one and a half floors pop out. It looked almost like an explosion. The whole top was teetering, and I really thought just the top of the building was falling off. I didn't think there was any way we were going to make it out because just being this close, it looked

like it's leaning right on top of us. So we ran. It wasn't that far. I guess You could see over the top of the building from where we were standing, the whole building was coming on top of us this other building. At this time I thought just the top of the building fell down. I really wasn't sure that the whole tower was going to come down. It turns out I was looking at the Vista, what was left of the Vista, and, of course, the tower on the street.

FIREFIGHTER ROBERT NORRIS

WTC2

I HEARD WHAT SOUNDED LIKE A THIRD PLANE COMING IN. I HEARD THE PROPULSION OF AN ENGINE AND THEN AN EXPLOSION. WE LOOKED UP AND SAW THESE HUGE CHUNKS THERES ONE PARTICULAR PIECE OF THIS BUILDING THAT FELL IN ITS ENTIRETY THAT ILL NEVER FORGE.T IT WAS AS IF IT WAS A SCHWARTZENAGER MOVIE TAKING PLACE

SUPERVISING FIRE MARSHAL ROBERT BYRNES loud noise before collapse

WTC2

As I'm looking up at the building, I hear a loud noise and I see the south side of the building collapse. I see the south upper third of the tower start to pitch in my direction. At that point I yelled to Mike Kane, Mike, it's coming down. I turned around and I ran south on West Street. My perception was it was toppling southward. The cloud of smoke and the debris was coming around me.

EMS CAPTAIN FRANK DAMATO

WTC2 falls

WHEN THAT FIRST BUILDING STARTED TO COME DOWN ALL WE HEARD WAS JUST LIKE LOUD THUNDER THAT DIDNT STOP. WHEN YOU LOOKED UP YOU SAW THE DEBRIS STARTING TO FALL FROM THE TOP AND CLOUD OF SMOKE ON TOP AND IT WAS HARD TO JUDGE WHERE THE DEBRIS WAS GOING TO FALL BECAUSE IT WAS SO HIGH.

LIEUTENANT RENE DAVILA EMS top of WTC2 gone

All of a sudden you heard the rumble and people yelling and screaming. You look and I didn't see the top of the building. I didn't see the top of tower two. The collapse started. You felt like the ground -- it was like a deep sound, rumble; like you're laying on the platform and the D train is coming. You look and you see what -- I best describe it as a wave coming.

RONALD COYNE EMT WTC2 thunderous sound, then sway, then collapse; and debris set him on fire

At that point I just heard a THUNDEROUS SOUND AND LOOKED up AND SAW THE BUILDING START TO TOPPLE START TO SWAY, AND IT WAS SWAYING OUR WAY AND WE JUST YELLED RUN AND TRIED TO RUN AS FAST AS COULD AND SAW AN SUV PARKED AND FIGURED THAT THAT WOULD TAKE SOME YOU KNOW SOME OF THE HIT BECAUSE I KNEW COULDNT OUT RUN THE BUILDING AND BY THE TIME IT TOOK ME TO BREAK THE BACK WINDOW OF THE SUV. MY SAFETY COAT WAS ALREADY ON FIRE. MY SOCKS WERE ON FIRE

I was already covered with soot and all sorts of particles that were coming out of the building. I dived into the truck, and that’s when pieces of the BUILDING LIFTED THE TRUCK AND CAME THROUGH THE FRONT WINDOW AND FLIPPED THE TRUCK OVER AND I WAS TRAPPED IN THERE FOR APPROXIMATELY 25 MINUTES TO HALF HOUR. I was just covered with burns and bruises and I could hardly breathe.

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EMT PATRICIA ONDROVIC

WTC2

I think it was the lobby of the building behind us blew out. Everybody started running, I didn't see him again that day. He got thrown one way, I got thrown the other way. There was smoke, there was debris, there was everything flying around. The cops that were in there were telling everybody get out, get out, get out. Stuffs blowing up.

FIREFIGHTER MICHAEL MACKO

WCT2

WE GOT JUST ABOUT SOUTH OF THE NORTH OVERPASS ABOUT 50 FEET PAST THAT WHEN THE FIRST COLLAPSE OCCURRED. I LOOKED UP WAS AWED. I THOUGHT IT EXPLODED AT THE TOP

LIEUTENANT PATRICK SCARINGELLO EMS

WTC2

I heard the explosion from up above. I looked up, I saw smoke and flame and then I saw the top tower tilt, start to twist and lean.

We did go past -- we went up Church, we went up Vesey, past 7 Trade, which at the time didn't look like it was involved

EMS LIEUTENANT CHARLES FRASER

We started to look up and we could see what looked like the top of this tower coming down at us, and then like a roller coaster, like a wooden roller coaster sound

FIREFIGHTER RICHARD BOERI WTC2 explosion before collapse

We had our backs to the tower and under that pedestrian bridge walking south, myself, Eddie Kennedy and the officer, when you heard the crackling. You looked up and you saw the one floor explode on itself and the top start to slide.

FIREFIGHTER DEAN COUTSOUROS FILE No. 9110049

WTC2, crackling sound, like a million firecrackers

I was directly in the middle of the street on Washington Street and there were three guys behind me and I was right in the middle of the street and that’s when the tower started to come down. I happened to be looking up at it and from the fire floor down it was just really loud crackling noise. It sounded like a million firecrackers and just wave right from the fire floor down. Just wave that started to come down.

FIREFIGHTER WILLIAM REYNOLDS

WTC2- large explosion below plane impact area before the collapse

After a while, I was distracted by a large explosion from the south tower and it seemed like fire was shooting out a couple of hundred feet in each direction, then all of a sudden the top of the tower started coming down in a pancake. I remember my jaw dropping and just staring at it and Richard Banaciski, one of the firemen that was there, yelled "Run" and I turned and I started running into the parking garage of the Financial Center.

Q. Bill, just one question. The fire that you saw, where was the fire? Like up at the upper levels where it started collapsing?

A. It appeared somewhere below that. Maybe twenty floors below the impact area of the plane. I saw it as fire and when I looked at it on television afterwards, it doesn't appear to show the fire. It shows a rush of smoke coming out below the area of the plane impact.

The reason why I think the cameras didn't get that image is because they were a far distance away and maybe I saw the bottom side where the plane was and the smoke was up above it.

FIREFIGHTER TIMOTHY BURKE WTC2 FILE NO 9110488

WTC2 Explosion before collapse

Then the building popped lower than the fire level which I guess was the aviation fuel fell into the pit and whatever floor it fell on heated up really bad and that’s why it popped at that floor. That’s the rumor I heard, but it seemed like Oh My God There is secondary device that the way the building popped I thought it was an explosion.

When that happened they all started fading into the garage- masses of people. I’m thinking this building is coming down. So with the amount of people rushing me, we ran through the garage. We kept running through. All of a sudden the noises stopped , the sound of the building falling stopped. We all turned around and it was dark now. We really couldn’t see.

FIREFIGHTER KEVIN DUGGAN WTC2

we just heard this real loud roar. We looked up and we could see the south tower. Looked like the middle of it was just exploding out, and at that point, one of the officers just said, "Run," and we were just turned and started running into the garage.

FIREFIGHTER CHRISTOPHER FENYO FDNY WTC2

explosions before collapse

Port Authority transcripts:

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/08/29/ny...&ex=1125979200

About a couple minutes after George came back to me is when the south tower from our perspective exploded from about midway up the building. We all turned and ran into the garage. At that point a debate began to rage because the perception was that the building looked like it had been taken out with charges.

FIREFIGHTER HOWIE SCOTT

WTC2

We just made our turn to go in towards the lobby of tower two.

For whatever reason, I just happened to look up and saw the whole thing coming down, pancaking down, and the explosion, blowing out about halfway up. I remember looking back and noticing that big mushroom cloud just roaring at us like a freight train.

Edward Cachia FDNY WTC2 explosions before collapse

As my officer and I were looking at the south tower, it just gave. It actually gave at a
lower floor, not the floor where the plane hit, because we originally had thought there was like an internal detonation explosives because it went in succession, boom, boom, boom, boom, and then the tower came down.

FIREFIGHTER KENNETH ROGERS

WTC2

Meanwhile we were standing there with about five companies and we were just waiting for our assignment and then there was an explosion in the south tower, this exposure just blew out in flames. A lot of guys left at that point. I kept watching. Floor after floor after floor. One floor under another after another and when it hit about the fifth floor, I figured it was a bomb, because it looked like a synchronized deliberate kind of thing. I was there in '93.

EMT MICHAEL OBER WTC2

Then we heard a rumble, some twisting metal, we looked up in the air, and to be

totally honest, at first, I don’t know exactly…but it looked to me just like an explosion. It

didn’t look like the building was coming down, it looked like just one floor had blown

completely outside of it. I was sitting there looking at it. I just never thought they would around and saw the debris coming down.

FIREFIGHTER RICHARD BANACISKI WTC2 explosions

On West Street. We reported in to there and I remember they had the command post set up.

We were there I don't know, maybe 10, 15 minutes and then I just remember there was just an explosion. It seemed like on television they blow up these buildings. It seemed like it was going all the way around like a belt, all these explosions. Everybody just said run and we all turned around and we ran into the parking garage because that's basically where we were. Running forward would be running towards it. Not thinking that this building is coming down. We just thought there was going to be a big explosion and stuff was going to come down.

There was just a tremendous cloud that came into the parking garage. Somebody actually laid out a search rope.

FIREFIGHTER CRAIG MONAHAN

WCT2

Then all of a sudden you heard something, and it sounded like a harrier jet was landing right over top of us. Sure enough that second tower was just coming straight down. When it sounded like the explosion stopped, the steel hitting, when it all seemed to stop, this just like a fire storm of wind and material, a sandstorm kind of, just came and wailed by, really flew past us quick.

FIREFIGHTER KEVIN MCCABE

WTC2

WE WERE READY TO GO STRAIGHT AHEAD YOU HEARD A ROAR SOME SORT OF VIBRATION LIKE VRR VRR VRR GETTING LOUDER AND LOUDER

MY FIRST THOUGHT TO MYSELF, O LIVE DOWN IN ROCKAWAY SO HAVE HEARD PLANES COMING OVERHEAD FOR YEARS, IT SOUNDED LIKE A PLANE GETTING CLOSER AND LOUDER AND LOUDER AND NEXT THING YOU KNOW YOU FELT THE BUILDING SHOOK AT THAT MOMENT IT WAS THINK EVERY MAN FOR THEMSELVES THINK MIGHT HAVE HEARD SOMEBODY SAY ITS COMING DOWN OR SOMETHING.

SHORTLY AFTER AS IM WALKING YOU HEAR ANOTHER LOUD BOOM. REMEMBER TURNING LOOKING AND LOOKING UP AND SEEING THE DUST CLOUD OPENING UP OVERHEAD I REMEMBER WHEN CAME UP LIBERTY TO WEST STREET NOW COULD SEE THIS DEVASTATION THAT DEFINITELY DIDNT SEE TO THAT MAGNITUDE AFTER THE FIRST BUILDING CAME DOWN BUT NOW THERE WAS JUST MOUNTAINS OF STEEL.

PARAMEDIC JOEL PIERCE

WTC2

THATS WHEN WE HEARD THAT SOUND AGAIN AND SWEAR IT SOUNDED LIKE ANOTHER PLANE COMING IN. JUST THAT RUMBLING NOISE THAT STEADILY THAT CONTINUOUS RUMBLING THAT WAS GETTING LOUDER AND LOUDER AND THINK THE LAST WORDS HAD WERE OH GOD NOT ANOTHER ONE

EMT JOHN ROTHMUND

WTC2

At that time we were looking at the top of the towers and all the rubble and people coming off, and all of a sudden you heard – it sounded like another airplane, or a missile. It was like a slow shake. The whole ground just vibrated and shook. We just told everybody to run, run into a building, let's go, run, run, run.

PARAMEDIC ROBERT RUIZ

WTC2

The next thing you know, you hear a loud thundering noise. It sounded like a jet, a big rumble. I start looking around and I'm like, what is that? The next thing I know, I see the cop just take off. I'm like, where's he going? Then I see the things on the floor, like Liberty -- you know, just like the movies, bouncing up and jumping and shaking.

I look up and I was saying, oh, no, the building's going to fall down.

So I turn around. Right where I'm standing I turn around. I'm in

the center of the building. I turn around, and I try to go inside the building, but that door happens to be locked. So I run towards the

corner where the cop was, and I keep trying all the doors.

CHARLES WELLS Division Chief EMS

WTC2

We felt a loud -- a very strong vibration, shaking, and a loud noise like a subway train coming through a station at speed, like a jet engine at full throttle. It was a roaring sound, and he wanted to continue down Liberty Street. I asked “what the hell happened?" Some kind of an explosion, he goes, and that's what I thought it was, because it was like coming at you sideways.

WTC2

I made it about halfway across West Street and I was just stepping into the street off the center median when I heard what is going to be instilled in my memory forever ; a sound that combines a railroad car , an airplane , a fighter jet and thunder. I looked up

and I saw the World Trade Center falling down.

EMT JAMES MCKINLEY

WCT2

Then as I looked up, I saw this helicopter hovering from in front of one of the buildings, it was the first one that was hit. Then all of a sudden I heard this huge explosion, I didn’t know what it was because nobody was telling me anything. I didn’t know until we were called back to Chambers and something, Chambers and West Street, that it might have been a terrorist attack. I was this close to it, and I didn’t know what was going on. After that I heard this huge explosion, I thought it was a boiler exploding or something. Next thing you know this huge cloud of smoke is coming at us, so we’re running. Everyone is,

firemen, PD, everyone is running away from the World Trade Center, up Vessey Street.

This is North End, we was running around Vessey and around North end to get away

from the first smoke. After the first building, I guess, I didn’t know at the time that the

building fell. After the smoke cleared, I went back, I was helping some people that were

covered in dust and stuff like that.

FIREFIGHTER JOSEPH MEOLA

WCT2

As we are looking up at the building, what I saw was, it looked like the building was blowing out on all four sides. We actually heard the pops. Didn't realize it was the falling -- you know, you heard the pops of the building. You thought it was just blowing out.

FIREFIGHTER KEITH MURPHY FDNY

WCT2

I HAD HEARD A DISTANT BOOM BOOM BOOM SOUNDED LIKE THREE EXPLOSIONS RIGHT BEFORE THE LIGHTS in WTC1 WENT OUT. I DONT KNOW WHAT IT WAS. AT THE TIME I WOULD HAVE SAID THEY SOUNDED LIKE BOMBS. THEN I WOULD SAY ABOUT 4 SECONDS ALL OF A SUDDEN TREMENDOUS ROAR. IT SOUNDED LIKE BEING IN A TUNNEL WITH THE TRAIN COMING AT YOU. IT PROBABLY LASTED MAYBE 10 TO 15 SECONDS

FIREFIGHTER THOMAS TURILLI

WTC2

All of a sudden you just heard like it almost actually that day sounded like bombs going off, like boom, boom, boom, like seven or eight, and then just a huge wind gust just came. My officer knew how to actually get out and and we just walked out of there.

At that point we were kind of standing on the street and I looked to my left and actually I noticed the tower was down. I didn't even know what it was when we were in there. It just seemed like a huge explosion.

EMT JULIO MARRERO

WTC2

In that process of him trying to explain to me to pull my ambulance over, I heard a loud bang. We looked up, and we just saw the building starting to collapse. I was screaming from the top of my lungs, and I must have been about ten feet away from her and she couldn't even hear me, because the building was so loud, the explosion, that she couldn't even hear me.

WCT2

I HEARD LIKE A BIG EXPLOSION, TREMENDOUS EXPLOSION, LET ME PUT IT THAT WAY, AND A RUMBLING SOUND. SO ATTEMPTED TO RUN SOME DISTANCE WHICH COULDNT RUN BECAUSE IT OVERTOOK ME LIKE I SAID IT HAPPENED LIKE REALLY QUICK ALSO I FELT MYSELF AIRBORNE. I FELT A FORCE BEHIND ME AND IT SLAMMED ME DOWN ON THE GROUND. I GOT SLAPPED DOWN ON THE GROUND. EVERYTHING STARTED HITTING ME. WHATEVER WAS FALLING AT THE TIME. I DIDNT KNOW WHAT IT WAS. I THOUGHT MAYBE THAT THE BUILDING THAT WAS ON FIRE EXPLODED. I WAS GETTING HIT HARD AND WHEN I FELL ON MY STOMACH FACE DOWN WITH MY HANDS EXTENDED SOMETHING HEAVY FELL ON MY HAND AND BOUNCED OFF AT THAT TIME MY ARM WAS BROKEN .

His conclusions were blanked out

LT. THOMAS PIAMBINO FDNY

WTC2

The south tower had fallen, but at that time I didn't know what it was. All I heard was a tremendous explosion.

LIEUTENANT JOSEPH PATRICIELLO FDNY

WTC2

As my men went to obtain some extinguishers, I happened to be looking up and saw the explosion or the building fail with the ensuing fireball and cloud. It didn't appear to me at that moment the building was coming down.

But when the noise level began to pick up, it was obvious that something wrong was going on. We all proceeded to run southwesterly towards Liberty and West. At that point there was debris coming down.

FIREFIGHTER CRAIG CARLSEN -explosions (or pancakes) when buildings fell

File No. 9110505 WTC2

I guess about three minutes later you just heard explosions coming from building two, the south tower. It seemed like it took forever, but there were about ten explosions. At the time I didn't realize what it was. We realized later after talking and finding out that it was the

floors collapsing to where the plane had hit.

We then realized the building started to come down. At that point everybody at the command post took off into -- there were two garages across. I guess it was by Two World Financial Center next to the Winter Garden, just a little bit south of the north bridge.

I made it in about 20 feet inside the door, and I tripped over an EMT who I guess broke his leg and was disabled. I pretty much just stayed there and tried to comfort him. Before I had gone into the garage, I grabbed a mask. At that point, that's when the building

started to come down , and you could see the force of air coming towards you. I was just trying to drag the EMT down the ramp. That's when the blast came. (how long did this collapse sequence last?)

We made it to approximately Vesey and West, which is just north of the bridge. Then the second building started to come down. At that point everybody just took off in all different directions. As far as I know, we just went north up West Street. I would guess we made it up to Barclay, maybe, and whatever it was knocked us down, the force of the wind. The second one coming down, you knew the explosions. Now you're very familiar with it. Of course when I looked up, all I could see was the antenna coming down.

FIREFIGHTER FERNANDO CAMACHO WTC2 Explosions

We went across the lobby of the hotel, going north, and we exited and made a right going towards the second tower, the south tower. We must have walked about 100-200 feet to revolving doors, which led into a hallway to where the mall was. I could see maybe 20, civilians and I believe Ladder 25, which was about another 100 to 150 feet ahead of us. As we came in through the revolving doors, the lights went out. A second or two later everything started to shake. You could hear explosions. We didn't know what it was. We thought it was just a small collapse.

As I looked straight ahead of me, I saw total darkness. Everything was coming our way like a wave. The firefighters that were ahead of us and the civilians that were ahead of us totally disappeared.

We turned around. We were all pretty much within ten feet of each other: lieutenant,chauffeur, roof, OV, can. As we turned around, I ran probably maybe ten feet and that's when the body of the building or body of the collapse hit, and we were flying through the air basically. I must have flown 30, 40 feet through the air. Then total quiet. You couldn't breathe. You couldn't see anything.

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CAPTAIN KARIN DESHORE EMS
WTC2

I had no clue what was going on. I never turned around because a sound came from somewhere that I never heard before. Some people compared it to an airplane. It was the worst sound of a rolling sound, not a thunder. All I know is –and a force started to come hit me in my back. You had to be there. All I know is that I had to run because I thought there was an explosion. I thought it was a major explosion.

FIRE MARSHAL JOHN COYLE thought WCT2 explosion or bomb on plane

I THOUGHT IT WAS EXPLODING ACTUALLY THATS WHAT I THOUGHT FOR HOURS AFTERWARDS THAT IT HAD EXPLODED OR THE PLANE OR THERE HAD BEEN SOME DEVICE ON THE PLANE THAT HAD EXPLODED BECAUSE THE DEBRIS FROM THE TOWER HAD SHOT OUT FAR OVER OUR HEADS IT WAS RAINING DOWN

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FINALLY GOT THROUGH ON MY PHONE TO MY FATHER AND SAID I’m ALIVE JUST WANTED TO TELL YOU GO TO CHURCH Im ALIVE JUST SO NARROWLY ESCAPED THIS THING HE SAID WHERE WERE YOU YOU WERE THERE I SAID YEAH WAS RIGHT THERE WHEN IT BLEW up HE SAID YOU WERE THERE WHEN THE PLANES HIT SAID no WAS THERE WHEN IT EXPLODED, THE BUILDING EXPLODED HE SAID YOU MEAN WHEN IT FELL DOWN SAID no WHEN IT EXPLODED.

FIRE MARSHAL SALVATORE RIGNOLA

WTC2

THERES AN EXPLOSION. ALL OF SUDDEN YOU COULD HEAR SOME WEIRD SOUND LIKE CRUMBLING ALL OF A SUDDEN EVERYBODY STARTS RUNNING. I WENT AGAINST THE ESU TRUCK AND ALL OF SUDDEN EVERYTHING GOT BLACK THE WIND BLEW BY. MATERIAL FLEW BY.

EMT JUAN RIOS

WTC2

I was hooking up the regulator to the O-2, when I hear people screaming and a loud explosion, and I heard like “sssssssss…” the dust like “sssssssss…” So I come out of the bus, and I look and I see a big cloud of dust and debris coming from the glass… through the condominium, the other building, and like, glass falling. So I just started to run, everybody ran, so I just ran. Our bus, it got totaled.

FIREFIGHTER ANGEL RIVERA

WTC2

the chief told us go to the Marriott Hotel, go from the 14th floor up, search and evacuate all the floors. So we walk all the way up, no problem. Then we hear the explosion and debris falling. We were looking out of the windows and see body parts all over the place.

PARAMEDIC DANIEL RIVERA

WTC2

Q. WHAT DID YOU HEAR? WHAT DID YOU SEE? A. It was a frigging noise at first. At first I thought it was a professional demolition, where they set the charges on certain floors and then you hear Pop Pop Pop Pop. That’s exactly what I thought it was when I heard that frigging noise. That’s when I saw the building coming down. I ran as fast as I could maybe half a block and then hid between a building covered myself with a stretcher. That’s when every thing came down. It was very dark for a few minutes.

When I saw the first building collapse I noticed that the first three or four floors , they were pretty good, that was on my mind. Wow, they were pretty good. THEN THEY SAID THERE WAS A Lot of people trapped inside. After both buildings collapsed there were several firefighters down there and batallian chiefs.

CHIEF ALBERT TURI FDNY

WTC2 plane

I turned around to assess the situation, and the fireball had pretty much dissipated, and what I actually thought at that time, and mistakenly so, was it's not as bad as it looks; most of the fuel was expended on the exterior of the building. So we ran back to the car and laying right in back of my car was a large object which I thought was probably part of one of the aircraft turbines.

FIREFIGHTER EDWARD SHEEHEY

(My comments in parentheses: Sheehey heard an explosion before the South Tower started to collapse . . .)

http://www.nytimes.com/packages/html...on/20050812_...

"Q. Where exactly were you when the south tower collapsed?
A. We were proceeding across West Street. We were probably maybe 25 yards from the command post.

Q. South of the command post?
A. Straight across from it, going in towards the south tower. We were probably just at West Street, just at the street. Then the south tower -- we heard an explosion, looked up, and the building started to collapse.
We dropped all our tools and gear, and we turned around. There was a parking garage to the right of the command post, so we ran down into the parking garage."

(Mayday distress calls just before the collapses---why? Could this be due to more complications from unexpected explosions going off? That could be a possibility but not conclusive.)
"Q. Did you hear any emergency transmissions on the handy talky? Did you have a handy talky?
A. No, I didn¹t have a handy talky.
Q. Did you hear anything being next to
anybody?
A. I heard maydays. As we were at the command post, we heard maydays. I couldn¹t make out what they were for.
Q. Was this before the collapse or after?
A. Before the collapse. Then after the collapse I heard -‹ we looked for someone with a radio, and we found a captain from another engine company. I couldn¹t tell you what company he was from. He was looking for the rest of his men, and he had a handy talky. He said if he heard them calling for us he would let us know. I heard a couple of maydays on his handy talky but couldn¹t make out who was giving them or where they were."

EMT-P ANDRE CHERRINGTON WTC2 Big boom before it fell

So I said, let me take him to the hospital. So as I was pulling off, I’d say about half a block away, we heard a big boom, and we seen a whole bunch of ashes, everything just started coming towards us.

BATTALION CHIEF BRIAN DIXON WTC2

I got just a little ways back and it was just like -- you hear the noise, a boom, and then a blast of air. It just kind of threw me against the wall. That's where I decided to stay. Since it blew me there.

PARAMEDIC NEIL SWEETING

WTC2

We were probably about half a block away from t h e complex at this point . You heard a big boom, it was quiet for about t e n seconds. Then you could hear another one.

CAPTAIN JAY SWITHERS EMS

WTC2

At that point I looked back and most of the people who were triaged in that area with the triage tags on them got up and ran. I took a quick glance at the building and while I didn't see it falling, I saw a large section of it blasting out, which led me to believe it was just an explosion. I thought it was a secondary device, but I knew that we had to go.

BATTALION CHIEF THOMAS VALLEBUONA

WTC2

I HEARD BOOM AN EXPLODING SOUND, REAL LOUD BANG . I LOOKED UP AND COULD SEE THE TRADE CENTER STARTING TO COME DOWN. THE SOUTH TOWER WHICH I GUESS WAS ABOUT BLOCK AWAY FROM. I saw STUFF COMING OFF THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING. IT LOOKED LIKE A GIANT FOUNTAIN. IT WAS ACTUALLY BEAUTIFUL IN STRANGE WAY.

I REALIZED THAT WE WERENT FAR ENOUGH AWAY FROM THIS BUILDING AND WE WERE GOING TO BE HIT BY STUFF IT SEEMED LIKE YOU COULD JUST SEE STUFF SPIRALING OUT LIKE CONE. SO WE PROCEEDED TO TRY AND OUTRUN IT. MYSELF AND MY AIDE STEVIE ZASA WE WERE HOLDING HANDS WITHIN SECONDS WERE ENGULFED IN CLOUD THAT YOU COULDNT SEE YOUR HANDS IN FRONT OF YOUR FACE IT WAS HARD TO BREATHE IF ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE YOU FELT LIKE YOU WERE EATING THE DUST YOU COULD HEAR THINGS FALLING AROUND YOU YOU COULDNT SEE ANYTHING

FIREFIGHTER JOSEPH RAE

WTC2

We started walking north to just about the second footbridge, which would be 6 World Trade, and all of a sudden we heard the explosion and the building started to come down and I ran

EMT JASON CHARLES

FILE No. 9110486

I HEARD SIX LOUD EXPLOSIONS AND THOSE SIX LOUD EXPLOSIONS CHANGED MY MIND REAL QUICK AND I WENT BACK OVER TO THE TRIAGE CENTER AND IT WAS LIKE YOU KNOW WHAT, LET ME WAIT HERE. I HAD NO HELMET

FIREFIGHTER KENNETH ESCOFFRY FDNY WTC2

incoming missile before collapse

“On the way out between tower one and six, we heard something like an incoming missile, and we started to run. That's when the second tower came down. I was knocked down.”

EMT DAVID TIMOTHY

WTC2

The next thing I heard was a loud like an engine roar. I looked up, and the next thing I knew I just saw -- I don't know if it was the tail end of the plane or what, but I saw something. When I looked up, I heard "boom." Now, when the explosion hit I don't know if -- it actually took me off my feet, because I fell. I actually got cuts and stuff

like that all over my hands and whatnot

FIREFIGHTER THOMAS ORLANDO FDNY

I would say on the 18th floor when we took a little break. At the time the building was shaking. It was hit with something. At that time we thought it was another missile attack, so we all just ran into the stairway and just helped cover us and other civilians and firemen until it stopped shaking. We didn't know what it was at the time. We were told that there's been a collapse -- they didn't say what collapsed – and to start working your way out.

Jody Bell EMT How many minutes for WTC2 to collapse?

WTC2

I had her sit in the chair and I put some oxygen on her, because she wasn't breathing right, she was hyperventilating. I was just trying to calm her down.

I was strapping her onto the stair chair, and that's when the building comes down. So I strapped her on. As I this tidal wave, it's like a tidal wave of soot and ash coming in my direction, my life flashed before my eyes. I made a U turn, and I started to run -- I took about ten steps, and the lady started screaming, "Don't leave me! Don't leave me!" That's when I gathered myself. I got a hold of myself, wait, what the hell am I doing? I turned back around. I got her out of the chair. I said, "Ma'am, can you run?" She said, "Yes." She took off. I immediately made a U turn, and I've never moved so fast in my life.

Then shortly after that -- the building came down. It's like snow fall. The cars are covered. The streets are covered. I'm covered and breathing in mouthfuls. You couldn't see. The scene was totally blacked out. You're just running in the direction that you think is away. I knew I was running -- this would be westbound. I was running westbound down Vesey. I ran about a block to North End Avenue. That's when the building -- you could hear the sound. The building came down. The building finished collapsing.

FIREFIGHTER JOHN MALLEY

WCT2

I felt the rumbling, and then I felt the force coming at me. I was like, what the hell is that? In my mind it was a bomb going off.

The pressure got so great, I stepped back behind the columns separating the revolving doors. Then the force just blew past me. It blew past me it seemed for a long time. In my mind I was saying what the hell is this and when is it going to stop? Then it finally stopped, that pressure which I thought was a concussion of an explosion. It turns out it was the down pressure wind of the floors collapsing on top of each other. At that point everything went black, and then the collapse came. It just rained on top of us. Everything came. It rained debris forever. I was semiburied.

There were secondary explosions, I don't know, aerosol cans or whatever. But we're in the darkness. We see basically the glow of a flashlight and still things coming down. The noise, the explosions, whatever it was.

FIRE MARSHAL JOHN MURRAY

WTC2

Like I said, we were standing there watching the north tower and not even paying attention to the south tower. Then you look up and it's like holy shit, the building didn't come down, it shot straight out over our heads, like straight across West Street. there is no way we are going to out run this thing. Everybody, asses and elbows, we ran south on West Street, turned the corner on Albany Street

FIREFIGHTER JOSEPH SULLIVAN

WTC2

Now, when it did collapse, I saw a chunk come down. I thought it was a partial collapse, like maybe part of the fascia coming down. It came down, and we were looking, and all of a sudden the cloud rushed. It was like whoa, but then a couple of seconds it overtook us.

FIREFIGHTER LIEUTENANT ANTHONY MANCUSO

WTC

From what we could see, we couldn't see the whole tower that was coming down. We could just see the facade coming off, and we backed up.

FIREFIGHTER MICHAEL HAZEL

WTC2

the tower started to come down. At first it looked to me like just the top of the tower, like maybe the top 15 floors, like the skin of the building was just peeling off and coming down.

FIREFIGHTER FRANK SWEENEY

WTC2

I hear what sounded like firecrackers and a low rumble. I look up, and the south tower – I could see the top part of the siding overlapping the bottom side of the siding. The siding actually was like this. Then I saw the dirt above that. I ran. I was right behind Scott. Scott ran into the Winter Garden and got against a concrete pillar

Peter Constantine EMS

WTC2

And then all of a sudden, when you looked up, you froze for a couple of seconds, you saw these little pieces falling off. Then all of a sudden, everyone started to run. Then, you started to run,

FIREFIGHTER TIMOTHY JULIAN

WCT2

We came out from 90 West , made Left, headed East, and right when we got to the corner of Washington and Albany, that’s when we heard the building collapse. I thought it was an Explosion. I thought maybe there was a bomb on the plane but delayed type of thing, you know secondary device. I was convinced for a week it was secondary devices. I JUST HEARD LIKE AN EXPLOSION AND THEN CRACKING TYPE OF NOISE AND THEN IT SOUNDED LIKE FREIGHT TRAIN RUMBLING AND PICKING UP SPEED.

FIREFIGHTER EDWARD KENNEDY

WCT2

We took two steps, there was a tremendous boom, explosion, we both turned around, and the top of the building was coming down at us. With this I just turned to Richie and said run.

WTC2

Then all of a sudden there was like a loud -- almost like a rushing sound, a roar, and we looked up and we could see it looked like an implosion and the building kind of went in and out and kind of like shook.

BATTALION CHIEF JOHN SUDNIK

WTC2

THEN WE HEARD A LOUD EXPLOSION OR WHAT SOUNDED LIKE A LOUD EXPLOSION AND LOOKED UP AND SAW TOWER TWO START COMING DOWN.

CAPTAIN JOHN LUONGO

His conclusions were blanked out

SUPERVISING FIRE MARSHAL JOHN D. LYNN

It seems as if suddenly there was a -- our attention was drawn to the south tower. There was some kind of explosion, you might say, up in the area where the fire was. Actually, in hindsight, that was the start of the collapse. Now, we were very close at that time.

LIEUTENANT ROBERT LAROCCO

survivor of WCT2 collapse who was in Lobby when it fell p20

Just as I put my foot on the first stair on the escalator, the building started like shaking. It was like a wave in the floor and a real loud noise. What we did was, me and the police officer started running from the east northeast end of the building toward the west. Anyway, just to describe to you the collapse of the south tower coming down, I really wasn't aware there was a full collapse. I thought it might have been just a localized collapse. It was the loudest noise I've ever heard in my life. It was in both ears. Kind of like those rockets that they launch the space shuttles with, it was like I had one going off in

each ear. When I thought it was the loudest noise I ever heard, every second it was just increasing getting louder and louder and louder.

I was running as fast as I could. With this noise getting louder and louder, also what's happening simultaneously was light – whatever light we had was becoming darkness, like obscuring and getting dark fast, like someone pulling down the shades real fast. Anyway, it kind of sounded to me as if the collapse was aimed right at me, right at my back. I was running as fast as I could, and when I felt that I was getting overtaken by the collapse, where there was no hope, I threw myself on my knees at the next concrete column that I came up against I kept that on my right side. With that the collapse came and I started getting buried. Stuff was falling down. It was loud and just kept coming and coming.

BATTALION CHIEF BRIAN OFLAHERTY

Several survivors of WTC2 collapse:

I KNEW WHAT WAS COMING DOWN. THE BUILDING I WAS IN WAS COMING DOWN. I LOOKED REAL QUICK FORWARD DIDN’T LIKE THAT OPTION BECAUSE IT WAS BIG HIGH LOBBY LOT OF GLASS. I FIGURED IT WAS NOT THAT WELL SUPPORTED REMEMBER SEEING THOSE COLUMNS. I REMEMBER TAKINGA FEW STEPS AND TRYING TO RUN AND YOURE EITHER THROWN OR BLOWN OFF YOUR FEET. I REMEMBER IENDED UP MY FACE. I WAS RIGHT UP AGAINST THE WALL. A COLUMN WAS RIGHT NEAR MY LEFT SHOULDER. A BIG COLUMN.

IT WAS TERRIBLE NOISE BESIDES THE BUILDING SHUDDERING THE SOUND WAS HORRENDOUS TO ME IT SOUNDED LIKE STEEL CUTTING THROUGH STEEL. THATS HOW I EXPLAIN IT YOURE LAYING THERE THERES STUFF HITTING YOU HAD MY RIGHT HAND UP BEHIND MY HEAD AND NECK AND JUST SAID LET IT BE MERCIFUL BECAUSE YOU THINK ITS ALL OVER THERES STUFF HITTING YOU BUT NOTHING THE STUFF IS DEBRIS FLYING AROUND. ALL OF SUDDEN THE NOISE STOPS. THEN I HEAR SOMEBODY COUGH BEHIND. ITS MYERS. He helps me up to my knees. IT WAS FLOOR TO CEILING DEBRIS IT WAS JUST SOLID FROM AS HIGH UP AS CAN LOOK WHICH IS PRETTY HIGH AT THIS POINT. Then I THINK LARRY ANSWERED. WE START TO MOVE TOWARDS HIM. I COULD HEAR SOME GUY YELLING MAYDAY ON THE RADIO HANDY TALKY. THERES BEEN A COLLAPSE. WERE TRAPPED I LOOKED IT WAS EDDIE HENRY FROM THE 40 BATTALION. I RECOGNIZED HIM. I TURNED ANOTHER WAY AND THERE WAS LIEUTENANT THERE. BACK. THERES A CIVILIAN AND I DONT KNOW IF ITS THE SAME GUY MET THE FIRST TIME OR NOT AGAIN CIVILIAN CLOTHES. I SAID YOU STAY BY THIS FIRST DOOR. YOU KEEP THE DOOR OPEN IM GOING THROUGH THE SECOND DOOR. THERES ANOTHER DOOR IF START YELLING YOU JUST YELL. I DIDNT KNOW IF I WAS GOING THROUGH MAZE OR NOT. AS SOON AS I OPENED THE THIRD DOOR THERES HOLE IN THE WALL COULD SEE OUT ONTO WEST STREET.

CAPTAIN HOWARD SICKLES FDNY

WTC2

WE HEARD RUMBLING WE THOUGHT IT WAS ANOTHER PLANE WE LOOKED UP AND YOU ACTUALLY

SAW THE TOWERS JUST STARTING TO ROLL DOWN AT YOU.

I STARTED CALLING PEOPLE ON THE RADIO I GOT BOBBY BROWN ON THE RADIO CHIEF BROWN ON THE

RADIO AND HE WAS TELLING ME THAT HES OKAY HES NOT INJURED BADLY THE BUILDING COLLAPSED AROUND HIM.

EMS DIVISION CHIEF JOHN PERUGGIA

WCT2

I looked up and saw this big gaping hole where the south tower used to be. That's the first point that I realized that the south tower had collapsed. Maybe ten or 15 stories high left of it. Probably most of it being a pile of rubble.

EMT JUSTIN LIM WCT2 collapse sequence lasted more than a few seconds

WTC2

When the first building collapsed, we both started -- my partner and I both started walking back to the vehicle and we opened up one of the compartment doors where we put all our equipment in and as it was coming down, we started seeing a mob of people start running towards us. So we opened up our back doors and we put in as many people as we could and then my partner was kind of motioning to the civilians and the ESU workers, that whoever wanted to get a ride, they just hop in and we would take them. And this whole time the building was still coming down. It was only halfway down. I proceeded to get into the driver's seat and there were like several people running up to the bus saying, "get out of here." And we actually ended up driving with several people on the hood and people were hanging off the sides of the mirrors, off the back step of the ambulance, and I'd say we probably got about like 30 -- maybe 30 people out of there before it actually came completely down and the smoke came.

CAPTAIN JANICE OLSZEWSKI EMS

SO AS WE HEARD IT START TO COLLAPSE AND AS WE SAW IT COLLAPSING WE OR LOT OF US RAN EAST ON FULTON TO GET AWAY.

I THOUGHT IT WAS AN EXPLOSION OR SECONDARY DEVICE BOMB, THE JET PLANE EXPLODING. THEN THE CLOUD CAUGHT UP AND WE ALL JUST SCATTERED AND DID OUR BEST TO GET OUT OF THERE.

EMT RUSSELL HARRIS

WTC2

I was on the side of the church. I looked and all this debris just started exploding everywhere, and I turned around to run. When I got maybe halfway the block, I got knocked to the ground. My helmet got cracked. A piece of debris had hit my helmet.

EMT SEAN CUNNIFFE WTC2 falls in stages

American Express building. That was our next staging point, in the lobby there. The rumbling started and a big cloud of smoke came by the windows and started breaking the windows.

Q. Now we're talking about the south tower collapsing?

A. Yeah, it collapsed. I'm sure it was some significant time in between. It seemed like ten minutes, the whole job.

WTC2 falls in 2 stages

I SAW IT LOOKED LIKE THE TOP MAYBE 70 60 FLOORS COMING OFF THE BUILDING AND HAD STOOD THERE THINKING MAYBE THE TOWERS WERE NOT GOING TO HIT ME. THEN I LOOKED CLOSER AND TWO PIECES OF DEBRIS FLY OVER MY HEAD ABOUT 40 50 STORIES UP FLYING OVER MY HEAD AND WAS LIKE SHIT I”M OUT OF HERE

Then after running 2 blocks:

AT ONE POINT AT SOME POINT I”M NOT SURE BUT THE BUILDING THAT HORRIBLE TWISTING METAL SOUND

OF FREIGHT TRAIN OR WHATEVER ITS THE WORST SOUND IN THE WORLD STOPPED BUT THEN IT STARTED AGAIN THEN I STARTED HAULING ASS AGAIN AND AT ONE POINT STOPPED LIKE MAYBE 20 FEET BEFORE GOT TO BROADWAY . I LOOKED TO MY RIGHT DOWN TOWARDS DEY AND SEE AT LEAST 40 50 STORY BALL OF DUST RUSHING AT US

Eric Berntsen FDNY

WTC2 takes a few minutes to collapse??

We heard the explosions from the kitchen. We went up on the roof and got there just in time to see the second plane hit the towers. So we ran downstairs. It was about five after 9:00.

The officer went off, got orders from a Chief, and we were told to go to the 74th floor of the south tower. He came back, told us what we were doing. We gathered the company together, started heading north through the Marriott. Then we made a right and went down the ramp to get to the concourse level. We headed eastbound in the concourse level to where it first turns up to the left, where the mall turns up to the left. That's when we heard the building start shaking. I looked up into the Marriott, because you could see up into it from where we were standing, and just saw black, like dust. The lights went out. I jumped into a corner under an archway.

After the building stopped shaking and there was no rumbling noise any more. We all got back together. We all turned on our lights.

When we got out on to Vesey, there was a Port Authority cop with us and he said that they were given reports that the second building was going to come down. So we made a decision we'd better leave. We were

exhausted from carrying this gentleman who was pretty heavy, we estimated about 300 pounds, 275. It took six guys to carry him. We were all exhausted. We were changing. We made it a couple of steps and then we heard the rumble and we knew the second tower was coming down. Everybody let go of the guy and ran. Vinnie and the cop jumped under a car. There was no room for me there and I thought I could make it a little bit further than that. So once I hit the sidewalk on the Federal Building, on Vesey, I turned right, which had me east on Vesey Street, and I started running.

Then I looked up and I saw a dark cloud and I grabbed my helmet. The force knocked me down, blew me. I don't know how far I went, but I went forward pretty far. It knocked the wind out of me. I got covered with debris and just kept my hands on my helmet. Something pretty big hit me and knocked my helmet off. I felt weight piling up on my back. I said I can't just lay here. I said let me get out of here. Let me see how deep I am, see what I can do. I was up against the wall of the Federal Building, and then I realized it was still pitch black.

The chauffeur got blown down I don't know what street. he was with the rig. The rig survived. It got beat up, the windows blown out, a little fire damage, not that much

EMT ALLEN CRUZ WTC2 rumblings, then building fell

WHAT DID YOU DO AFTER THE FIRST BUILDING COLLAPSED I RAN LIKE HELL I LEFT EVERYTHING THERE AND RAN LIKE HELL RAN TO my VEHICLE AND JUMPED INSIDE JUST AS WAS ABOUT TO GOINTO GEAR I NOTICED THAT THERE WERE FEET UNDERNEATH MY VEHICLE SO I LEFT IT IN PARK JUMPED OUT AND THERE WERE PEOPLE STILL HIDING UNDERNEATH IT AT WHICH TIME I SAID YOU PEOPLE GOTTA GO YOU CANNOT STAY HERE YOU GOTTA GO THE RUMBLINGS COMING DOWN THEY GOT UP OUT DRAGGEDTHE LADY OUT FROM UNDERNEATH THERE WERE STILL PEOPLE AROUND AND BEHIND IT TOLD THEM YOU ALL GOTTA RUN AND THEY DID AT WHICH TIME THE THING CAME DOWN BIG WALL OF SMOKE CAME AND HID BEHIND MY VEHICLE JUST TOOK BIG BREATH AND JUST WAITED FOR IT TO PASS.

FIREFIGHTER TIMOTHY BROWN- WTC2 Blast, 70 mph wind

I ran into the doors of the Two World Trade on the Liberty Street side.

We finally set up -- prior to this I believe it was the west side of the core of the building there were elevators.

I told Chief Burns that I was going to go find EMS and bring them back into the lobby, which is something that saved my life. I went out to the Liberty Street side. He got two paramedics, himself and me. I said, "Okay. Follow me." We ran to the south side of the hotel to stay close to the building, trying not to get hit. We ran along the edge of the hotel.

As we ran towards the rear, which is the three side of the hotel, and rounded the corner to go into Two World Trade Center, in the doors, we heard the roar above us. I know I never looked up. So we just turned and ran for our lives. The roar was just getting louder. The dust started blowing in our faces. I'm guessing around 30, 35 miles an hour the wind was. Everything started blowing toward us that wasn't

nailed down. You could not any longer run into the wind because you were getting pummeled by stuff. You couldn't see anybody to communicate.You couldn't hear anything. It was becoming our grave.

I wound up crawling on the floor as the wind got stronger and the roar got louder. I found what I'm guessing was a 12 by 12 boxed out steel column, which I tried to become one with. I got as close as I could to it. I had a helmet on. The helmet got blown off by the wind.

I'm no meteorologist, but I'm guessing that the wind at its height was around 70, 75 miles an hour. I had to hold onto that steel column with all my might so I wouldn't get blown out into the street, I thought it lasted four minutes, Somebody told me it lasted a much shorter time than that. You still couldn't see anything.

PARAMEDIC KEVIN DARNOWSKI

3 Explosions before WTC2 fell

At that time I started walking back up towards Vesey Street. I heard three explosions, and then we heard like groaning and grinding, and

tower two started to come down.

BATTALION CHIEF DOMINICK DeRUBBIO - WTC2 appeared like a timed explosion

I was looking over t h e Winter Garden a t t h e second tower, and then I saw that starting to come down. It was weird how it started to come down. It looked like it was a timed explosion, but I guess it was just the floors starting to pancake one on top of the other.

EMT MOUSSA DIAZ WTC2, big boom then collapse

When we heard the big boom, I looked up and I just saw the building collapsing.

WTC2 falls it appeared there were explosives planted

“The sound it made. As I said I thought the terrorists planted explosives somewhere in the building. That's how loud it was, crackling explosive, a wall.”

LIEUTENANT ROBERT DORRITIE FDNY WTC2

I got my guys and started walking across West Street. I guess we got about three-quarters of the way across when we were deciding which way to go into the south tower. That's when I looked up, and the tower started coming down, which at the time I said I thought it was a secondary device.

LIEUTENANT GEORGE J. DeSIMONE

WTC2

I thought it was an explosion initially. We got hit with the powder. We tried to run.

EMT GREGG BRADY 3 explosions in WTC1 before collapse

We proceeded to 3 World Financial Center, the American Express building They set up a triage area in that lobby. ...

At that time, when I heard the 3 loud explosions, I started running west on Vesey Street towards the water. At that time, I couldn't run fast enough. The debris caught up with me, knocked my helmet off. I tumbled and then eventually I started running again. I made it behind a building on North End Avenue. I set up a triage area in that corner

building and at that time I started treating patients.

CAPTAIN WILLIAM MCLAUGHLIN FDNY

WCT1

I LOOKED UP AND COULD SEE THE TOP OF THE NORTH TOWER MUSHROOM OUT IN CLOUD OF DUST AND SMOKE AND YOU COULD SEE THE TIP OF THE ANTENNA SORT OF WOBBLE, THEN REALIZED WE HAVE TO RUN. FROM THAT POINT ON IT WAS FALL BACK RETREAT GET AWAY

FIREFIGHTER JOHN PICARELLO FDNY

WTC1

I started to hear that rumbling sound again. I looked up, and the first thing I saw was the aerial on the top of the tower just rocking one way and rocking the other way, and all of a sudden there it goes.

WTC1

FIREFIGHTER KEVIN GORMAN WTC1 explosions, then falls

John Malley, who was right behind me, I turned around for him, because he was doing something, either putting his coat on or something, and as I was looking at him I heard the explosion, looked up, and saw like three floors explode, saw the antenna coming down, and turned around and ran north.

Q. About how long would you say it was from when

the police officer told you it was leaning?

A. Within 30 seconds

LIEUTENANT GARY GATES

WTC1

I looked up, and the building exploded, the building that we were very close to, which was one tower. The whole top came off like a volcano. I'm looking at the face of it, and all we see is the two sides of the building just blowing out and coming apart like this, as I said, like the top of a volcano.

FIREFIGHTER WILLIAM GREEN

He POINTED UP. HE SAID ITS FALLING I LOOKED AND IT LOOKED LIKE TO ME THAT IT WAS STARTING TO TIP AT 45 DEGREE ANGLE RIGHT TOWARDS ME THE ANTENNA BUT YOU DONT SEE THAT IN THE VIDEO IT LOOKED LIKE IT WAS COMING RIGHT TOWARDS ME

BARRETT HIRSCH EMS WTC1

they were trying to get things reorganized after the first blast they -- I know they started some of the crews and somebody over in the other tower

Then I noticed, like, the top of the tower seemed to shoot up a little bit and start to fall down a little bit. that's when Bill Simon and I just bolted in towards one of the other overpasses just to get some cover

FIREFIGHTER KEVIN HOWE

WTC1

I'm hearing like a rumble and I'm looking up and I'm seeing the antenna start to do this type of nonsense, swaying a little bit it seemed, and sure enough the building was coming down. That was tower number 1, the north tower. As it started coming down, we saw this ferocious amount of black cloud, a brown cloud that was chasing everybody.

This topic has now officially come to an end. 500 People who were there on that tragic day telling you that they heard explosives going off. 500 people who suffered in that horrible tragedy.

Ask yourself this, what would be there to gain for these people by lying about what happened on that dramatic day?

We need to wake up and make sure that something like this will not happen again. Please, wake up!

The End.

Originally posted by Mr Parker
Boy you can say that again.Your finding out how when someone comes on here who doesnt accept the lies and propaganda by the government, rather than address your posts like they didnt with you,they engage in childish insults since they know they obviously cant counter your points and you will shoot them down. I would say its safe to say that 99 out of a 100 people even if they disagree with us would agree that my last post was mature and civilized and that their comments were childish attacks on me. well Im not going to take their bait and get into a flame war like they want me to.

anyway,yeah thats so true,many explosions occured which are inconsistant with the plans crash before and after and yeah the 9/11 coverup commission ignored these and every eyewitesses testimony that didnt go along with their version.if it didnt fit their version.not to mention that its known FATCS that witnesses have had their lives threatened and are scared half to death to come forward because of threats given to so many people.thats something they always blatantly ignore.

And Katsu, there is no way I'm reading all that shit.

have you even read any of the statements?

a large portion of them mention absolutely nothing that points towards explosion...for example "All of a sudden you heard the rumble and people yelling and screaming. You look and I didn't see the top of the building. I didn't see the top of tower two. The collapse started. You felt like the ground -- it was like a deep sound, rumble; like you're laying on the platform and the D train is coming. You look and you see what -- I best describe it as a wave coming."

and even larger portion of them say things like "sounds like" "what i thought" etc etc...best of all though "That’s the rumor I heard"

some of them blatently contradict themselves...one in particular mentions the area "about 20 floors below the plane" then in the same sentence says "the area where the plane was"

not to mention your claim that these hundreds of people "heard explosives going off"

which isn't what they're saying at all is it...they're saying they heard explosions...so by your logic...all explosions are made by explosives...which is an idiot fallacy and i think you know it

oh...and none of the nytimes links are working

and since when has the florida league of conservative voters education fund website been a source for valid 9/11 information?

Originally posted by lord xyz
And Katsu, there is no way I'm reading all that shit. [/B]

He doesnt expect you to read it all in one day. 🙄 I think i speak for him when i say-over a course of time is all- if you were interested in the truth that is, which we both know your not.I know unlike you guys,just like the whole2th,that katsu is interested in the truth and just like the whole2th,has done very good research into it,knows his stuff, and has does his homework.Therefore I AM going to take the time to read through his stuff since he knows what he is talking about and does great research.so unless whole2th or another newbie comes back to discuss this, im done with this thread for a long time.just like katsu said before a few pages back.inside job.case closed.The End.

Originally posted by Katsu
This topic has now officially come to an end. 500 People who were there on that tragic day telling you that they heard explosives going off. 500 people who suffered in that horrible tragedy.

Ask yourself this, what would be there to gain for these people by lying about what happened on that dramatic day?

We need to wake up and make sure that something like this will not happen again. Please, wake up!

The End.

yep.in a summary,that pretty much says it all right there. 👆

something I want to add in case Katsu didnt post it,is that The fire chief in I think it was the issue of nov 2002-cant swear to when it was,but sometime around there.echod the firefighters feelings of new york calling the 9-11 coverup commission a half baked farce.because of how they ignored their testimonys of explosives going off.Katsu also echoed what I have said before,what would so many people have to gain by lying about hearing explosions going off and also,talking about having death threats given to them.
these people are terrified for their lives.their not getting paid to say these kinds of things.also as I mentioned before, a demolition expert went to the 9/11 commission and told them their investigation was lies and he wanted to testify before them and tell them the truth about explosions going off but they issued death threats to his family if he did so.People like that demolition expert got NOTHING to gain by lying about things like this.wake up.The End.

Originally posted by Mr Parker
He doesnt expect you to read it all in one day. 🙄 I think i speak for him when i say-over a course of time is all- if you were interested in the truth that is, which we both know your not.I know unlike you guys,just like the whole2th,that katsu is interested in the truth and just like the whole2th,has done very good research into it,knows his stuff, and has does his homework.Therefore I AM going to take the time to read through his stuff since he knows what he is talking about and does great research.so unless whole2th or another newbie comes back to discuss this, im done with this thread for a long time.just like katsu said before a few pages back.inside job.case closed.The End.

Originally posted by Mr Parker
He doesnt expect you to read it all in one day. 🙄 I think i speak for him when i say-over a course of time is all- if you were interested in the truth that is, which we both know your not.I know unlike you guys,just like the whole2th,that katsu is interested in the truth and just like the whole2th,has done very good research into it,knows his stuff, and has does his homework.Therefore I AM going to take the time to read through his stuff since he knows what he is talking about and does great research.so unless whole2th or another newbie comes back to discuss this, im done with this thread for a long time.just like katsu said before a few pages back.inside job.case closed.The End.

so you make the statement before you've actually read it...and once again you only read the statements of people who agree with you...

i cant be surprised...it's what we've all come to expect of you