Semptember the 11th

oh and the other thing that ends the debate that explosives went off.They also found devices before it was cleaned up "which isnt being talked about in the mainstream news." as evidence that explosives were used.You look at the kennedy assassination and you then look at 9/11,the evidence is overwhelming that it was a home grown plot in both cases.The similarities between the two are amazing.In both cases,there were warnings that went ignored to be able to prevent the travestys from happening.Bush and cheney profited immensely from it all.thats been documented.war is big money,thats why the CIA/military industrial complex was behind the kennedy assassination cause he wanted to pull out of vietnam-that was the final straw that they had to kill him anyways,there were many others as well of course,but that was the final straw and with 9/11,of course war means big money for these corporate giants such as enron and halliburton which again,Bush and Cheney were members of.

Enron???...they were going down the tubes over a month before 9/11...their share prices had fallen by 50% in august 2001...then along with the collapse of all shares post 9/11 they then fell again to about $12 from a high of $90 the month before

then by november they had fell to below $1

so i'd hardly say they were making people huge profits because of 9/11...to insinuate such is to be completely oblivious to facts of public record

and since you brought up kennedy evil dead-thanks for doing me that favor by the way,since sadly,nobody here EVER wants to talk about that the same way they do 9/11,your also obviously not aware of how not one doctor at the parkland hospital in dallas that treated kennedy said that the bullet wound in the back of kennedys head was an entrance wound,everyone of them identified it as an exit wound and that he had a small entrance wound in the front.as anybody with a brain knows,if he was shot from the back ,the exit wound in the face would be massive and his face would be gone which it wasnt.He had a small entrance wound in the forehead the doctors at parkland hospital said.They said they could clinch their hand and put it through the back of his head which is consistant with an exit wound.The doctors at bethesda said they saw an entrance wound being in the back of the head which if you ever saw the special the men who killed kennedy,you would know it was because his body wounds were altrered from parkland to bethesda on the jet.

The people who put his casket in the jet in dallas even said that the casket they saw him coming off of in washington was a different casket than the one they loaded him into.Not to mention the lead pathologist in the autopsy wasnt even qualified to do autopsys.Not to mention also that the lead doctor in charge of Kennedys autopsy in dallas,shortly before he died,wrote a book and confessed that Lyndon johnson called him up and demanded oswald to give a deathbed confession.Its been proven time and time again that Lyndon Johnson and dick nixon-both whom were buddies and buddies with j edgar hoover,were involved in the assassination.By that I meant they knew it was going to happen and did nothing to stop it and Hoovers FBI covered it up.They even discovered recently-THIS was reported in the mainstream news surprisingly,that Gerald Ford was an FBI informant for the warren commission and kept Hoover informed on the warren commissions findings.

oh and I just got back from new york recently and went to ground zero.I went there cause i wanted to see yankee stadium before it got torn down later this year,this is its last year..I like to see all these classic ballparks in baseball before they get torn down.I saw tiger stadium in detroit and bush stadium where the cardinals play in st loius as well once.I met a friend of my best friend up there who is a top ranking police official there.I learned something I had never learned before.He showed me pics of what that area looked like before 9/11 and there were all these buildings surrounding it.Now those buildings arent there anymore.There were 7 buildings that came down besides the twin towers and bld 7 only they werent reported on.They werent reported because explosives were used to bring them down as well.The photos of the before and after pictures dont lie.those buildings as he showed us are not there anymore.They are not reporting that though like they SHOULD be cause they dont want to report the truth that explosives were used to bring those other 7 buildings down as well.They got the whole area blocked off that you got to peek through some slots to see ANYTHING where the buildings were.They got the place cordoned off because they dont want anybody else going in there and finding more evidence that explosives were used.This high ranking official also says many people in the police dept and fire dept are keeping quiet because of death threats given to their familys which proves to me david ray griffith,is telling the truth. Like I said,the similarities between the kennedy assassination and 9/11 are eerily similair,so similiar its unreal.

Ive seen enough evidence in my research in both these cases to know as anybody with logic and common sense already knows,is that the evidence is overwhelming in both cases that it was a home grown plot.anyone who thinks otherwise obviously only wants to see what they want to see and dont want to see the other side of the coin.

Originally posted by Mr Parker

oh and I just got back from new york recently and went to ground zero.I went there cause i wanted to see yankee stadium before it got torn down later this year,this is its last year..I like to see all these classic ballparks in baseball before they get torn down.I saw tiger stadium in detroit and bush stadium where the cardinals play in st loius as well once.I met a friend of my best friend up there who is a top ranking police official there.I learned something I had never learned before.He showed me pics of what that area looked like before 9/11 and there were all these buildings surrounding it.Now those buildings arent there anymore.There were 7 buildings that came down besides the twin towers and bld 7 only they werent reported on.They werent reported because explosives were used to bring them down as well.The photos of the before and after pictures dont lie.those buildings as he showed us are not there anymore.They are not reporting that though like they SHOULD be cause they dont want to report the truth that explosives were used to bring those other 7 buildings down as well.They got the whole area blocked off that you got to peek through some slots to see ANYTHING where the buildings were.They got the place cordoned off because they dont want anybody else going in there and finding more evidence that explosives were used.This high ranking official also says many people in the police dept and fire dept are keeping quiet because of death threats given to their familys which proves to me david ray griffith,is telling the truth. Like I said,the similarities between the kennedy assassination and 9/11 are eerily similair,so similiar its unreal.

not reported on? what absolute rubbish...there's been feature length documentaries on the marriot hotel at the foot of the towers

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=ROe3fyAZt_k&feature=related

they weren't reported on because they were simply flattened by the towers collapsing...not to mention it simply wasn't as dramatic as the towers being hit and collapsing

everybody who is serious about investigating 9/11 would know the layout of the area....clearly you didn't...see clearly you have but a passive interest in it

surely the fact that there was a WTC 7 would imply that if the towers were WTC 1 and 2 then there would also be a 3,4,5 and 6

then there was World Financial Center complex, St. Nicholas Greek Orthodox Church as well as the Deutsche Bank Building and the Borough of Manhattan Community College's Fiterman hall which were condemned due to massive damage

of course...to further your conspiracy by implying that explosives were planted in these buildings as well...well it's just laughable quite frankly

you going to name thid "high ranking official"?...no...thought not...which makes me think of the last time you referenced someone you said you knew personally...and the quality of their "evidence"...you remember....your friend who heard words from beyond the grave?

What difference does it make, look for the guys who believe in this"cinspiracy" stuff...whats the harm if it all proves to be some BS and vice versa to the guys who dont believe. If its false and we live in a world that is"wat u see is what u get"then fine w/e, if we live in a world where there is some"world conspiracy"then so what...it isnt like we can do anything about it. Either way the situation is beyond our control so why does it matter one way or the other?

Originally posted by The Great Galen
What difference does it make, look for the guys who believe in this"cinspiracy" stuff...whats the harm if it all proves to be some BS and vice versa to the guys who dont believe. If its false and we live in a world that is"wat u see is what u get"then fine w/e, if we live in a world where there is some"world conspiracy"then so what...it isnt like we can do anything about it. Either way the situation is beyond our control so why does it matter one way or the other?

What difference does it make?

If we indeed live in a world where "what you see is what you get", then yeah, no big deal... We continue living as we have...

But if there IS a world conspiracy, we could very well get killed or enslaved...

I personally believe that if there is a conspiracy, they'll want to control every aspect of our lives... What we eat, what we wear, what we do, how we do it, where we go, etc. with 24/7 tracking devices... And you'll need some sort of ID card or chip or something, otherwise you won't be able to get a job or make money... Can I prove any of this? No, probably not, but that's what I think would happen...

So what difference does it make? The difference is that one scenario still leaves you with free will... The other doesn't...

what if you knew someone VERY WELL... that knew someone..or more to the point was employed by someone who was suppose to be in the trade center that day but was told to stay clear....would that make you wonder..lol..thats all Im saying...I prefer to live..stop defending the govt folks..some branchs were involved...no stopping what is going to happen just maybe alter it a bit..lol...buy some time at most...I only read ¼ of this thread but Im telling you MANY knew what was going to happen...thats enuff...

I just love all these loony conspiracy theorists' references to friends who were involved in X or Y, or who heard A from B, or whatever...

Originally posted by Bat Dude
What difference does it make?

If we indeed live in a world where "what you see is what you get", then yeah, no big deal... We continue living as we have...

But if there IS a world conspiracy, we could very well get killed or enslaved...

I personally believe that if there is a conspiracy, they'll want to control every aspect of our lives... What we eat, what we wear, what we do, how we do it, where we go, etc. with 24/7 tracking devices... And you'll need some sort of ID card or chip or something, otherwise you won't be able to get a job or make money... Can I prove any of this? No, probably not, but that's what I think would happen...

So what difference does it make? The difference is that one scenario still leaves you with free will... The other doesn't...

What can you...or I or anyone do about it though. Im not saying that it isn't disturbing to know the God of freemansons is lucifer or that several prominent figures in our society our freemasons...but by the same token its a futile situation. Just live our you're life you know, hope for the best and move on.

Originally posted by Kovacs86
I just love all these loony conspiracy theorists' references to friends who were involved in X or Y, or who heard A from B, or whatever...

Meh, I don't know if I believe in the conspiracy.I mean sure our society has heavy masonic influences and it is a very neo-pegan culture but that doesn't mean there is some grand"conspiracy"at work. There are circumstances that are withheld from the public for various reasons but...4th dimension 12 foot tall reptile men who can shapeshift 😕 .

so freemasons rule the world do they?...hmm...i know ALOT of freemasons...given that 1 in 10 people in my country is a freemason and that freemasonary began in Scotland

cant say i know any devil worshipping freemasons though...infact almost every lodge has an open king james bible but freemasons are allowed to practice whatever religion they believe in

Originally posted by Jack Daniels
what if you knew someone VERY WELL... that knew someone..or more to the point was employed by someone who was suppose to be in the trade center that day but was told to stay clear....would that make you wonder..lol..thats all Im saying...I prefer to live..stop defending the govt folks..some branchs were involved...no stopping what is going to happen just maybe alter it a bit..lol...buy some time at most...I only read ¼ of this thread but Im telling you MANY knew what was going to happen...thats enuff...

well done jack. 👆

Originally posted by jaden101
so freemasons rule the world do they?...hmm...i know ALOT of freemasons...given that 1 in 10 people in my country is a freemason and that freemasonary began in Scotland

cant say i know any devil worshipping freemasons though...infact almost every lodge has an open king james bible but freemasons are allowed to practice whatever religion they believe in

Well according to these"conspiracy"guys the God of freemasons is lucifer, but that isnt revealed untill you've accended to the top degree. It was based off the "mystery religions"which were mostly pegan I remember hearing from some history show.Although ive actually looked into my local lodge and it all seems pretty decent...just crazy rumors that came about.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
Well according to these"conspiracy"guys the God of freemasons is lucifer, but that isnt revealed untill you've accended to the top degree. It was based off the "mystery religions"which were mostly pegan I remember hearing from some history show.Although ive actually looked into my local lodge and it all seems pretty decent...just crazy rumors that came about.

there is no "top degree" of freemasons...most of the lodges around the world wouldn't recognise people from other lodges through the usual means...certain words and phrases...and certain handshakes...because they differ from country to country

and while each individual country has a grand lodge...there is no worldwide governing body of the freemasons

so all the conspiracy theories about the freemasons is built on complete ignorance

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freemasons

Ah, yes. Are you sure you're not confused with...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satanists

Well I've studied into, like I said before I personally think it all clears up but I was just mentioning what the conspiracy dudes think. Personally I dont have a strong opinion either way, and since im not a mason Ill never the truth.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
Well I've studied into, like I said before I personally think it all clears up but I was just mentioning what the conspiracy dudes think. Personally I dont have a strong opinion either way, and since im not a mason Ill never the truth.

you dont seem to have opinions either way about anything....yet you always seem to blindly come down on the side of the conspiracy theorists

i'm going to stick my neck out and say this...you want to believe in the conspiracies because you have a small interest (otherwise you wouldn't be posting) but you're scared you're going to post something silly that has been disproven countless times and an opinion that even most hardcore conspiracy theorists abandoned when they were shown that their ideas were complete nonsense

am i getting warmer?

the best conspiracy theorists are the ones that dont and cant admit when their ideas have been pounded to dust by cold hard facts and science...there are several of them on here...and you can spot their modus operandi a mile away....they post something stupid...they get called on it and proven wrong...they say you're "in denial" and "afraid of the truth"....then when they say something really idiotic like for instance saying their friend heard with his own ears the chief architect of the world trade centre saying the towers should have stood then retracting that statement and towing a "government line" in the days after 9/11...despite the fact that the man in question had been dead for 15 years....and then you call them out on it and show them to be completely ignorant and stupid...then they put you on ignore and then constantly bait and troll by calling you names...despite never reading or countering any of your facts

then there's the other type...who tries to have a debate with you on a civil level...makes some bizarre statement about laws of physics and says they prove you wrong...then you show them their understanding of those laws of physics are completely wrong and they actually show them to be complete idiots...they then shuffle away from the thread for a while...hope you forget their idiocy...then come back a while later with more rhetoric and just repeat the same thing you showed them was complete nonsense before

the thing is...with the conspiracy forum on KMC...the people who came in to debate that the conspiracies were wrong used to be in a severe minority....2 or 3 against scores of theorists...gradually they've put their "evidence" on the table...and time and time again it's been rubbished by peer reviewed scientific evidence (i myself have referenced and linked to several peer reviewed and published papers)

what this has resulted in is now there is only really 2 conspiracy theorists who post anymore

Mr Parker...who while you have to admire his brevity tenacity in constantly putting forward his (read...someone elses that he regurgitates) opinion...it's quite clear by his poor grammer and spelling that he is...shall we say...educationally challenged...

i've no doubt he reads alot of the books he claims to read...but he point blank refuses to read anything that makes the opposite claims to what he believes...so how a person can counter an argument without even reading...and worse...understanding his opposition and then claim to be debating issues is beyond me

he has claimed to have read many books on 9/11 and the Clinton administration yet he refused to read a 1000 word post of mine...claiming it to be "bible length"....he continued to cite the work of David Ray Griffin...yet refused to read a scientific paper i linked to from NASA engineer Ryan Mackay who thouroughly and scientifically destroyed Griffin's ideas...Mackay was clearly more qualified to analyse the claims as he is an engineer by education and trade...Griffin is a theologian and philosopher...read into that what you will

then there is the debator who drops in and out...Katsu...i had a great discussion with him about Atlantis (something we both believe in...although in extremely different contexts)...but we've also had disagreements....such as the "free energy" thread...where he kept making ridiculous claims about science despite showing a complete lack of understanding of the basics of that science...and despite the fact that he was debating with someone with a doctorate in Chemistry and degrees in forensic science, thermodynamics and fire and explosion investigation (as well as biology qualifications in genetics)...namely me.

regardless...this post will no doubt once again be a tl;dr....it's inevitable given the attention span of the so called "debators" on here

but it's all for fun

Originally posted by jaden101
you dont seem to have opinions either way about anything....yet you always seem to blindly come down on the side of the conspiracy theorists

i'm going to stick my neck out and say this...you want to believe in the conspiracies because you have a small interest (otherwise you wouldn't be posting) but you're scared you're going to post something silly that has been disproven countless times and an opinion that even most hardcore conspiracy theorists abandoned when they were shown that their ideas were complete nonsense

am i getting warmer?

You're right I do have a small interest, and as I've said before I like to keep an open mind about things regardless of there content. I don't think it's a offense to indulge in some of the "theories", its not something im fully comitted or invested to but its a time killer...and no offense but I could really case less if a bunch of forum members think im some kind of "nut"or w/e.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
You're right I do have a small interest, and as I've said before I like to keep an open mind about things regardless of there content. I don't think it's a offense to indulge in some of the "theories", its not something im fully comitted or invested to but its a time killer...and no offense but I could really case less if a bunch of forum members think im some kind of "nut"or w/e.

"couldn't"...couldn't care less...not could care less...cause that implies that you do care

Originally posted by jaden101
"couldn't"...couldn't care less...not could care less...cause that implies that you do care

Yeah I just went back on today and realized the typo, care less....couldn't care less or I couldn't care any less.