Semptember the 11th

9/11 was known by The U.S. The director of the C.I.A. had a case log against Bin Laden and tried to worn the powers to be. He has since been "Quited" We needed another cold War. There is so much evidence that the planes alone could not have taken down the towers. Taped evidence that was never shown on the news about multilevel explosions that you could see like for demolition. Its amazing how the Tallest towers came straight down with ,relatively no collateral damage. They said that the heat was so great that it melted the infrastructure yet there is pics of people standing on the window ledge holding on. If the heat was so great the would not be able to touch it. The Buildings were designed to take a hit like that and the company was exonerated for any liability. And isnt it Funny how we still havent found Bin Laden. I mean We invade Iraq? They were Egyptian and Saudi pilots. We will never find Bin Laden because we need that threat to maintain the Homeland Security council in order to keep our rights suspended

well said Lycanthrop.the evidence is overwhelming that it was an inside job and explosives brought down the towers just like you said.great post.you mentioned a few things that I hadnt heard of before.thanks for the info.

Originally posted by Lycanthrope
9/11 was known by The U.S. The director of the C.I.A. had a case log against Bin Laden and tried to worn the powers to be. He has since been "Quited" We needed another cold War. There is so much evidence that the planes alone could not have taken down the towers. Taped evidence that was never shown on the news about multilevel explosions that you could see like for demolition. Its amazing how the Tallest towers came straight down with ,relatively no collateral damage. They said that the heat was so great that it melted the infrastructure yet there is pics of people standing on the window ledge holding on. If the heat was so great the would not be able to touch it. The Buildings were designed to take a hit like that and the company was exonerated for any liability. And isnt it Funny how we still havent found Bin Laden. I mean We invade Iraq? They were Egyptian and Saudi pilots. We will never find Bin Laden because we need that threat to maintain the Homeland Security council in order to keep our rights suspended

If there is such evidence, show it. Otherwise look through this thread and see that myself and a few other have unquestionably destroyed the conspiracy by use of hard and irrefutable science.

Of course the C.I.A knew about Bin Laden. Noone has ever suggested they didn't given that he claimed responsibilty for the bombing of the USS Cole as well as US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania.

As for any of your other points. They have been shown to be wrong to a huge extent in this thread so do some reading.

The towers didn't fall at freefall speed (i've ever shown through video evidence that parts of the towers stood for upwards of 20 seconds after onset of collapse).

The buildings weren't built to take the impact they did. Someone on here once tried to suggest that Leslie Robertson, who was chief engineer on the twin towers, said that the towers should have stood...I went and found the actual quote which stated the exact opposite. The building were designed to take the impact of the biggest plane of the time flying at slow speed looking for a landing at an airport. Not for that of a slightly larger, much heavier, fully fuel loaded plane travelling upwards of 500mph (look into the science of mass/velocity/kinetic energy) double the mass, double the kinetic energy...double the speed, triple the kinetic energy...and this is logarithmic so triple the speed and you have 9 times the kinetic energy....given that the plane was travelling over 3 times the designed speed and 1 1/2 times the designed weight makes a kinetic energy of 13.5 times the designed kinetic energy.

People tried to say the scientists a seismic observatory stated that they recorded explosions from the towers. I then went and got their testimony which completely refuted this.

This is perhaps the most talked about conspiracy ever and one thing rings true with all the theories. They've all been smashed with hard science.

Take the allegations of melting. Noone ever suggested the steel melted...but the hard scientific fact is that steel loses 80% of it's strength at 700oC which is within the temperatures of fires within the building.

Unfortunately people like Parker above just do the internet equivalent of sticking their fingers in their ears when proven wrong...in other words put people on ignore.

You should ask him about his Minoru Yamasaki quote though...That one never gets old.

Your points are spurious and based in ignorance of science and you're merely regurgitating what someone else has said.

Originally posted by jaden101
If there is such evidence, show it. Otherwise look through this thread and see that myself and a few other have unquestionably destroyed the conspiracy by use of hard and irrefutable science.

Of course the C.I.A knew about Bin Laden. Noone has ever suggested they didn't given that he claimed responsibilty for the bombing of the USS Cole as well as US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania.

As for any of your other points. They have been shown to be wrong to a huge extent in this thread so do some reading.

The towers didn't fall at freefall speed (i've ever shown through video evidence that parts of the towers stood for upwards of 20 seconds after onset of collapse).

The buildings weren't built to take the impact they did. Someone on here once tried to suggest that Leslie Robertson, who was chief engineer on the twin towers, said that the towers should have stood...I went and found the actual quote which stated the exact opposite. The building were designed to take the impact of the biggest plane of the time flying at slow speed looking for a landing at an airport. Not for that of a slightly larger, much heavier, fully fuel loaded plane travelling upwards of 500mph (look into the science of mass/velocity/kinetic energy) double the mass, double the kinetic energy...double the speed, triple the kinetic energy...and this is logarithmic so triple the speed and you have 9 times the kinetic energy....given that the plane was travelling over 3 times the designed speed and 1 1/2 times the designed weight makes a kinetic energy of 13.5 times the designed kinetic energy.

People tried to say the scientists a seismic observatory stated that they recorded explosions from the towers. I then went and got their testimony which completely refuted this.

This is perhaps the most talked about conspiracy ever and one thing rings true with all the theories. They've all been smashed with hard science.

Take the allegations of melting. Noone ever suggested the steel melted...but the hard scientific fact is that steel loses 80% of it's strength at 700oC which is within the temperatures of fires within the building.

Unfortunately people like Parker above just do the internet equivalent of sticking their fingers in their ears when proven wrong...in other words put people on ignore.

You should ask him about his Minoru Yamasaki quote though...That one never gets old.

Your points are spurious and based in ignorance of science and you're merely regurgitating what someone else has said.

What ever you say! I have seen footage of the multilevel explosions. I have seen the interviews with the Guy who was in charge of the file on Bin Laden. I have seen the pictures of the people holding on to what you say is 700c or what ever, metal. I have seen the Interview with the The Engineer of the tower and he said it should have stood.

After the 1st plane hit why were there no Fighter Aircraft launched. We new there were other planes off the plight plan? Why was there no visible wreckage at the Pentagon crash? Why was there no wreckage were the flight that went down in the forest was, just a hole. This is stuff you can look up on the N.T.S.B. on crash analysis.

My Theory is we needed another cold War. We have operatives all over the world but we cant find BinLaden? We are not going to. What ever you got calculated on your slide rule doesnt impress me. The fact is The U.S. not only new about it but, Assisted. But this is the "Conspiracy Theory" thread so I can say what i want. You dont have to believe it. But you said nothing that would lead me to believe otherwise.

Originally posted by Lycanthrope
What ever you say! I have seen footage of the multilevel explosions. I have seen the interviews with the Guy who was in charge of the file on Bin Laden. I have seen the pictures of the people holding on to what you say is 700c or what ever, metal. I have seen the Interview with the The Engineer of the tower and he said it should have stood.

After the 1st plane hit why were there no Fighter Aircraft launched. We new there were other planes off the plight plan? Why was there no visible wreckage at the Pentagon crash? Why was there no wreckage were the flight that went down in the forest was, just a hole. This is stuff you can look up on the N.T.S.B. on crash analysis.

My Theory is we needed another cold War. We have operatives all over the world but we cant find BinLaden? We are not going to. What ever you got calculated on your slide rule doesnt impress me. The fact is The U.S. not only new about it but, Assisted. But this is the "Conspiracy Theory" thread so I can say what i want. You dont have to believe it. But you said nothing that would lead me to believe otherwise.

1: I suggest you look up the physics of conduction of heat. Just because a fire in 700oC in one part of the building doesn't mean every part of the building is 700oC...besides...did you see anyone standing in the same windows fire was coming out of?....No

2: If you've seen the video of Leslie Robertson saying that then post it.

infact don't bother...here's the interview putting paid to what you say in one fell swoop

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sn/tvradio/programmes/horizon/broadband/archive/leslie_robertson/index_textonly.shtml

We had designed the project for the impact of the largest airplane of its time, the Boeing 707. The 767 that actually hit the WTC was quite another matter again. First of all it was a bit heavier than the 707, not very much heavier, but a bit heavier. But mostly it was flying a lot faster. And the energy that it put into the building is proportional to its square of the velocity, as you double the velocity, four times the energy. Triple the velocity, eight times the energy and so forth. And then of course with the 707 to the best of my knowledge the fuel load was not considered in the design, and indeed I don't know how it could have been considered. But, and with the 767 the fuel load was enormous compared to that of the 707, it was a fully fuelled airplane compared to the 707 which was a landing aircraft. Just absolutely no comparison between the two.

3: No plane wreckage at the pentagon?

LIES

No plane wreckage of flight 93?

http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com/93debris1.jpg

There was obviously a lot less large debri because of the impact velocity and trajectory (which was nearly vertical straight down) The impact is similar to something you should have knowledge of...A hollow point bullet hitting a wall...Is there ever much left of the bullet after that?.

But if you wish to go base your opinion on that of ignorant fools then be my guess....I happen to know a lot about what i'm talking about because i studied fires, explosions, debri analysis, thermodynamics, metallurgy and many other aspects of forensics for the best part of 7 years. Your attempts to try and diregard that make you look like you simply want there to be a conspiracy rather than basing it on fact.

Originally posted by Lycanthrope
What ever you say! I have seen footage of the multilevel explosions. I have seen the interviews with the Guy who was in charge of the file on Bin Laden. I have seen the pictures of the people holding on to what you say is 700c or what ever, metal. I have seen the Interview with the The Engineer of the tower and he said it should have stood.

After the 1st plane hit why were there no Fighter Aircraft launched. We new there were other planes off the plight plan? Why was there no visible wreckage at the Pentagon crash? Why was there no wreckage were the flight that went down in the forest was, just a hole. This is stuff you can look up on the N.T.S.B. on crash analysis.

My Theory is we needed another cold War. We have operatives all over the world but we cant find BinLaden? We are not going to. What ever you got calculated on your slide rule doesnt impress me. The fact is The U.S. not only new about it but, Assisted. But this is the "Conspiracy Theory" thread so I can say what i want. You dont have to believe it. But you said nothing that would lead me to believe otherwise.

trust me Ly,you DONT want to bother wasting your breath on Jaden.He'll blatently ignore the facts you point out like the ones you mentioned or things like willie rodriguez heard explosions going on in the basement floors before the plane struck, how he rescued a person on fire from the elevater shaft who came out yelling-theres bombs going off below despite the fact his testimony was corraborated by other survivors there and witnesses saw him carrying that survivor out and was later taken to the hospital.or that there is a video out there made 10 months before 9/11 called MODERN MARVELS where the onsite manager of the towers said the towers could have taken hits from multiple airliners and would still remain standing,that it would be like poking a pencil through the screen door.he'll ignore that stuff and just post something to save face.

matter of fact you can find that video yourself,just do a google search of Frank Demartini modern marvels.you'll see in that video where he says that,that it could have taken hits from multiple airliners and still remain standing.Demartini was the onsite construction manager and he made that statement -as you can see in the video on jan 25th 2001 prior to 9/11.

That'd be the same Willie Rodriguez who's friends who were with him dismiss his testimony as rubbish and the same Willie Rodriguez who was in the basement and didn't and couldn't know when the plane hit.

We don't know what Frank Demartini said post 9/11 about the attacks....why?...BECAUSE HE DIED ON 9/11

But given that Leslie Robertson said similar things regarding planes hitting the towers and gave specific details regarding speed (slow), fuel load (near empty) and plane type (lighter and smaller) then it's likely Frank Demartini would say the same.

Unlike Parker i'll actually provide some proof for what i'm saying

Rodriguez believes he heard an explosion in the basement of the north tower an instant before American Airlines flight 11 slammed into its upper floors. However, since he was in the windowless B1 sublevel at the time, he had no way of knowing when the plane actually hit the building. His supervisor, who was with him in the maintenance office when the building was hit, says, "Being inside, we didn't know that there was anything wrong from the upper levels."

from

http://911stories.googlepages.com/

The real reason Rodriguez still maintains his false story is because he makes a helluva lot of money telling people who want to hear it

I'd recommend you google Steven Jones.

Physics professor, has tested metal from 'Ground Zero', and found thermate, a compound used in controlled demolitions to cut structural steel.

And maybe go watch Zeitgeist

Oh, and where were the engines from the plane that hit the Pentagon?

12 tons of steel just....vaporizing?

Originally posted by cujo131
I'd recommend you google Steven Jones.

Physics professor, has tested metal from 'Ground Zero', and found thermate, a compound used in controlled demolitions to cut structural steel.

And maybe go watch Zeitgeist

If you can cut a vertical building beam horizontally using thermate then you can do something noone else has ever been able to do and believe me...I've tried.

the volume of thermate needed to cut through all the external and internal structurally important areas of the WTC on several floors required for demolition is calculated in the hundreds of tons...yet noone saw anyone packing anything anywhere into the building

strange that eh?

Steven Jones...physics professor...field of expertise?...Muon catalysed fusion...what that has to do with structural engineering is anyone's guess..so i'll have mine....it has nothing to do with it...

Ironically he says that traces of sulphur are what he says shows thermate was involved....despite the fact that the partitioning walls on every floor of the world trade centre were composed largely of gypsum compounds...which is...yep you guessed it....sulphur.

Oh, and where were the engines from the plane that hit the Pentagon?

I do wish you conspiracy theorists would at least get your stories straight...some of you say there were explosions...yet thermate doesn't explode...infact neither thermate or thermite are used in demolitions...why...because the sheer volume of in needed to melt through building supports is colossal.

they are pyrotechnics...used in fireworks and the like.

Not to mention when they are used as a cutting or welding tool it's on rail tracks because they rely on gravity to work...meaning they can only cut straight down...so again, go try cutting horizontally through a steel girder with thermate or thermite...good luck trying.

Originally posted by jaden101
If you can cut a vertical building beam horizontally using thermate then you can do something noone else has ever been able to do and believe me...I've tried.

the volume of thermate needed to cut through all the external and internal structurally important areas of the WTC on several floors required for demolition is calculated in the hundreds of tons...yet noone saw anyone packing anything anywhere into the building

strange that eh?

Steven Jones...physics professor...field of expertise?...Muon catalysed fusion...what that has to do with structural engineering is anyone's guess..so i'll have mine....it has nothing to do with it...

Ironically he says that traces of sulphur are what he says shows thermate was involved....despite the fact that the partitioning walls on every floor of the world trade centre were composed largely of gypsum compounds...which is...yep you guessed it....sulphur.

All you have are pics of engines??? What does that prove? Are you serious Jaden? would you except that lol and yes there were pics of people on the same floor were it was saposedly700c and people would not be able to touch it.
And multiple explosions that would have nothing to do with the aircraft.

Originally posted by Lycanthrope
All you have are pics of engines??? What does that prove? Are you serious Jaden? would you except that lol and yes there were pics of people on the same floor were it was saposedly700c and people would not be able to touch it.
And multiple explosions that would have nothing to do with the aircraft.

Because they're from the Pentagon...imagine that.

show me a single picture of a person standing at the same window that flames are coming out...

As for explosions in the WTC

July 24th 1992...a 13,000v electrical transformer exploded in the WTC injuring 6 people.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9E0CE0DF1031F937A15754C0A964958260

Now that's one of 8 dedicated 13,000V tranformers feeding 23 building substations in each tower.

Now these transformer explosions are actually quite common...here's an example of another a mere 8 months later again at the WTC this time killing 6 people

http://www.fdnewyork.com/wtc.asp

Have you ever seen an electrical transformer explosion?

http://www.stupidcollege.com/items/Electric-Transformer-Explosion

I love the other retarded argument about "squibs"...given that they are seen coming out of windows...and given that no demolition of a building has ever happened by blowing out windows ever in the history of the world....and given that due to the massive downwars shift of the building caused massive internal pressure changes...and given that just the jet fuel pouring down the elevator shafts created enough pressure to blow out the windows in the lobby long before the towers collapsed...we can safely predict that the "squibs" are just the windows being blown out as the air being displaced by the collapsing building created outward pressure on the floors below.

How long are you going to keep this up...you say there was no plane debri at the pentagon yet i show you fuselage and engine debri both inside and outside the building....

here's a montage of all the debri found at the pentagon

Once again you're simply trying to deny the evidence because you simply want there to be a conspiracy as opposed to there actually being one.

Ok The Images are what ever you say but as far as the Bulding structure and saying the Lead Engineer said it couldnt withstand the crash you are Wrong.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNbwLfczjt8

- The other thing I wanted to say the other day Jaden is Leslie Robertson wasnt the lead engineer that designed and built the towers,John Skilling was.Leslie Robertson was his junior partner in his firm Worthington,Skilling,Helle and Jackson.Skilling was the senior partner in the firm and the lead designer as you can see from the three links I provided below.

And you can also see from the three links I provided below that Skilling in 93 after the first bombing failed,said when asked if the towers would stand if a jet airliner slammed into it with jet fuel was quoted to say There would be a horrendous fire.A lot of people would be killed but the building structure would still be there.Also as you can see from the third link I provided, Leslie Robertson echoed Skillings thoughts when he was asked between early 84 and 85 about the towers stability to stand in that kind of circumstance and he said There is little likelihood of a collapse no matter how the building was attacked.He also said three weeks later from an aeriel view that he saw molten pools of metal.They obviously got to Robertson and put pressure on him to change his testimony cause thats not what he was saying in the years before 9/11.

Skilling and Robertsons statements seem to echo what Mr Parker said about Demartin the onsite construction manager said in jan 2001 also that the towers could have taken hits from multiple airliners and still would remain standing.Also like he said,Wille Rodriguez testimony proves that explosives were used as well so the only conspiracy theory that has been smashed with hard evidence is the official 9/11 commission conspiracy theory.

http://www.jonesreport.com/articles/210207_wtc_designers.html

Originally posted by Lycanthrope
Ok The Images are what ever you say but as far as the Bulding structure and saying the Lead Engineer said it couldnt withstand the crash you are Wrong.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNbwLfczjt8

- The other thing I wanted to say the other day Jaden is Leslie Robertson wasnt the lead engineer that designed and built the towers,John Skilling was.Leslie Robertson was his junior partner in his firm Worthington,Skilling,Helle and Jackson.Skilling was the senior partner in the firm and the lead designer as you can see from the three links I provided below.

And you can also see from the three links I provided below that Skilling in 93 after the first bombing failed,said when asked if the towers would stand if a jet airliner slammed into it with jet fuel was quoted to say There would be a horrendous fire.A lot of people would be killed but the building structure would still be there.Also as you can see from the third link I provided, Leslie Robertson echoed Skillings thoughts when he was asked between early 84 and 85 about the towers stability to stand in that kind of circumstance and he said There is little likelihood of a collapse no matter how the building was attacked.He also said three weeks later from an aeriel view that he saw molten pools of metal.They obviously got to Robertson and put pressure on him to change his testimony cause thats not what he was saying in the years before 9/11.

Skilling and Robertsons statements seem to echo what Mr Parker said about Demartin the onsite construction manager said in jan 2001 also that the towers could have taken hits from multiple airliners and still would remain standing.Also like he said,Wille Rodriguez testimony proves that explosives were used as well so the only conspiracy theory that has been smashed with hard evidence is the official 9/11 commission conspiracy theory.

http://www.jonesreport.com/articles/210207_wtc_designers.html

I don't know why you're trying to use John Skilling to state an opposing argument to mine because he said the same thing as Leslie Robertson...that the building was designed to withstand a 707...the biggest plane of the time the WTC was built...although unlike Robertson he never gave specific details regarding that design...i.e the plane lost in fog scenario.

not to mention there isn't any evidence of that analysis besides a 3 page white paper produced in 1964

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0805074287/centerforcoop-20

all the details are in the above book if you care to read it.

I noticed you didn't comment on What the M.I.T. Physicist's had to say.

I've commented many times on the "evidence" presented by Scholars for 9/11 truth many times in this thread...feel free to have a read back over the thread...my input starts at page 75.

If it's information on what experts have to say that'll sway you then i made these posts a while back

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=415603&pagenumber=77

A plane crashed into the pentagon and the WTC, end of story...wow.

There always has to be people not believing in something no matter what.