Reasons why Tia = Bad News! Supporting evidence from LovelyOne and Myself

[SIZE=3]Reasons why Tia = Bad News
by jdl1224 with supporting info by LovelyOne

Okay. So far the only one’s on here supporting the theory that Tia is BAD NEWS is LovelyOne and myself. Now, I am really thinking this is true so I decided to post on it using LovelyOne and my own ideas lol. Alright, here we go! J

Reasons why Tia is Bad News:
Tia and Davy being possible Lovers We don’t know this for sure but there are many indications that she was in fact the lover that made Davy turn evil and cut his heart out.
1. The Matching Lockets. Tia’s shows when Jack is stealing a ring from the table. Sure she could have traded for it or something of the sort- but I don’t think they’d put it there if something like that had happened. When Will is getting the key from Davy’s tentacles it shows his locket and begins to play music that puts him to sleep. What would cause that? Thinking of a happy time of you life could make you fall back asleep or just begin to think about it, would it not? The music must have reminded him of something because he did go back to sleep. I personally think that links them together enough to show they were together. PLUS the same heart is found on the chest his heart is in. That could possibly be why he cut his heart out in the first place. Maybe those lockets symbolized their love for each other and when it was over he cut out his heart because their love no longer exist.
And if Tia WAS his past lover who turned him into what he is now, that means she IS “untamable as the sea”. Which means she could very well change her mind and turn on people just as she did to Davy and could possibly do to Will, Liz, and Jack.
Tia being AGAINST Jack I for one am not convinced at the little ‘act’ (if you will) she’s putting on. I think she is secretly against Jack. Why might you ask?
1. Barbossa Sure she acts like she likes him and what not. But whom does she bring back from the dead? Barbossa of all people! May I remind you Barbossa is the man that Jack waited what, 11 years to shoot!? WHY on Earth would Barbossa try to help Jack when Jack is the very person who killed him in the first place! That for sure, does not make any sense.
2. When Jack is “killed” You’d think if she had any emotional or even physical attraction to Jack, she’d be the least bit sad when she finds out he was killed. But if you notice when Gibbs, Liz, Will and everyone goes to her she doesn’t seem sad at all? She is actually kind of excited when she says “Would you go to the ends of the Earth to save him!?”
3. The Voodoo Doll It was found that Tia had a voodoo doll of Jack sitting on her shelf. What GOOD intentions can come from a voodoo doll anyway? Voodoo doll’s purpose is to hurt people. They’ll poke them or put them under water so that the actual person will feel like they are being poked or under water. This of course is a little out there, just a thought- but when Jack is talking to Davy and is saying “I’ve got a jar of dirt, I’ve got a jar of dirt, and guess what’s inside of it!?” he falls. Could Tia not be doing that because for some reason she doesn’t know the heart isn’t in there and wants to ruin Jack’s chances at it? She could have made the doll in a position to where it could be dizzy or something of the sort to make Jack get dizzy and fall. I know, a little out there- a lot of my theories are like that.
4. The Ring I brought this up and LovelyOne agreed with me on it. If you notice the black ring that Jack steals off the table (when it shows the locket) has a big black mark on it. And any time after that that the ring is shown, something bad comes of it. When he brushed Liz’s face and sees the black mark return, or when he’s cuffed to the ship. It actually involves a lot of bad things with him and Liz. And think about it- Black Ring- Black Spot. Looks fishy to me.
5. Will I think Tia wants Will. LovelyOne points out a lot that she thinks the whole Will/ Davy stories are alike. Maybe Tia wants to do the same thing to Will. Maybe Will will end up getting angry with Jack and try to hurt him- which again would make Tia against Jack in the long run.
6. Liz and Jack (LovelyOne’s theory I agree with) Because of Tia the feelings between Liz and Jack develop a lot faster then they normally would. Liz didn’t really start to think of her liking Jack until the compass pointed to him. I think Tia was also the one messing Jack’s compass up because it was trying to point to the chest and Liz at the same time. Because if you notice when Liz is sitting on the chest the compass works fine because the 2 things he wants most are in the same place. I think she did this because she wanted Will alone because she wants to Davy/Will story to come true. Which goes along with #5.
7. The Jar of Dirt As LovelyOne pointed out, the jar of dirt actually CAUSED more problems, and it never really stopped Davy from coming for him. If it weren’t for the jar of dirt Jack would of still had the heart and it wouldn’t now be in the hands of the EITC.
Working with the EITC I personally think (a big chunk of this came from LovelyOne) that Tia is working with the EITC. There are a lot of clues to indicate it.
1. The Compass Beckett knows a lot about the compass in the beginning of the movie, which was given to Jack by TIA. Even in the first one Norrington looked at his compass and just said “A compass that doesn’t point north”. He didn’t know what the compass did but Beckett knew it led you to the think you most desired.
2. Tortuga As LovelyOne pointed out Jack, Gibbs, Liz, and Norrington all wouldn’t of met up unless Tia hadn’t told them to go there. Because of her people met up as they did and it caused Jack and Liz to be together while Will was away.
3. The Man In Tortuga If you notice there’s a man from EITC that sees Liz in Tortuga talking to Norrington. He doesn’t say anything to either of them but just watched. He then reports it to Beckett maybe saying, “things are going well” (LovelyOne). It was very weird for me anyways that the man didn’t take Liz home. Why else would he not?
4. Beckett saying, “fate intervening” about the Wedding Is that not what Tia said too? It can’t just be a coincidence that they both said the same thing ABOUT the same thing. I think that Beckett had talked to her about it. Which means something IS going to happen with Will, which could be a reason why she wants him away from Liz. So when she noticed Jack had an interested she took it to get Will away from her.

I very much think that Tia is somehow involved with everything. She could be in a disguise or something of the sort- or it may not even be the Tia Jack knew and someone disguised as her. I just feel like something wasn’t right about her. Feel free to comment- but really think about all the points I stated. And feel free to add more. [/SIZE]

Here's an interveiw with Naomie Harris. She says that Tia isn't who everybody thinks she is,and she says Tia will have a dramatic departure.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CejABfbOCxg

I read she could be Calypso

well, seeing as how no one but 2 people and a few more believe shes bad... wouldnt that mean, everyone thinks shes on jacks side except us, therefore making that statement correct by saying- we DONT think she is who everyone thinks she is.

wow. that was confusing. haha. hope that made sense!

hehehe sorry guys i still disagree... 😉

Not because I have any information about Tia, cause i dont. Logically, you guys have a great theory and logically, you have convinced me. But there's still a gut instinct i have about Tia, and so even though I'm probably wrong, I still dont think she is in league with Beckett... lol.

I don't think that she works with Beckett,but maybe Jack did something to her to make her make a voodoo doll of him. But I don't know.😕

well katelovespirate i just don't know what to do with you! haha. just kidding. all well, we can all have our own opinions!

I agree with alot of what you say She is a very suspicious character. But I think that Liz did have feelings for Jack to begin with, she shows them before she realises the compass is pointing to him... but its only when the compass started shove them in her face she began to fear the feelings she was getting for him. She seemed pretty comfortable with them until people or the compass brought them up. She also seemed pretty comfortable about the possible kiss she could have got from jack..until it was stopped..By Tia I think 🙂 Tia didn't want that kiss to happen there otherwise Will wouldn't have seen it and Liz's denial wouldn't have grown to a climax by the end of the movie...It was stopped for that reason. 🙂

The only logical reason why Tia would strike a deal with Beckett is because she wants the heart to be kept safe from Jack or Will(who are in pursuit of it to destroy it) This would mean Davy dies..and I think Tia wants davy. So she makes SURE the heart gets to the hands of the EITC! the JAR of DIRT leads Norrington to find the heart...she also makes them decide to go to Tortuga where they pick up LIZ and NORRINGTON so that she can make the Will/Davy thing play out and ALSO pick up the man who will betray Jack later and find the heart..thanks to her trusty JAR OF DIRT.

Also I'm not sure if this is accurate but I think Davy's time as captain of the Flying Dutchman is running out. In 10 years he will be able to walk on land again and this means that the EITC cant control him or the sea. They could blackmail him with the heart to make him go back to the sea.. but what if he refuses to offer loyal service to them? He may be so set on persuing Calypso that he decides not to go back ever again. That would mean the EITC would have to destroy the heart and LOSE the power of the ocean..so they need a PLAN B!...Which is probably where Tia comes in..she can use her knowledge of Will, Jack and Liz and their feelings for one another to her and Beckett's advantage. SHE can make this Will davy thing come about She KNOWS that Jack has feelings for Liz and vise versa...so she KNOWS if she separates Will from the 2, they will probably develop a relationship..and what does she do in the movie?? MAKES WILL SEPARATE FROM THEM so she probably IS making this Will/Davy thing come about...which would mean Will being a new captain of the flying Dutchman..which means YEARS more service to the EITC before he can walk on land again.

Calypso is the GREEK goddess of the sea. She has an Island to her self..she often lures men onto it and keeps them there but they can never fully HAVE her so she leaves them heartbroken I studied the Odyssey that she was featured in. And in Greek mythology the gods and goddesses have the power to oversee EVERYTHING..they have the power to make certain things happen in order for events to play out the way they want them to. If TIA is Calypso then she could use magical objects and her knowledge of peoples personalities and feelings for one another to shape their destinies.

TWO WORDS:

Divine Intervention

funny how Pintel and Ragetti(spelling) bring this whole "Divine Intervention" argument into the movie...😉 Why add that in if its not important to the story at all?

HAHAHAHA i love that. divine intervention.
This next one was definately feeling VERY mythic with the kraken, so everything you said about Tia makes a lot of sense. She is a great character. really interesting.

With Jones, the deal is he can only step on land once every ten years--- and he cant stay on land. he can be on for like, what, a day? then he HAS to go back to the ocean in order to live. part of the deal he made when he cut his heart out i reckon. SO he obviously had just been on land when we meet him in 2, (cause Tia's all inky) and he makes a quote about how he cant step on land for nigh on ten years (meaning he was just on land)... anyhow, his ten year deal doesnt mean he is free in ten years, it just means he gets one day on land.

MY NEW TIA THEORY: 😉
As far as Tia being Calypso... the balance of power is what I'm starting to look at.
In 3, the pirates are all going to have to join league against the EITC. We have to look at the balance of power there. If they are equally matched, or even if the pirates are SLIGHTLY the underdogs, then Tia either can't be on the pirate side, or she cant be too powerful. Because the heroes (pirates) have to win a battle that looked difficult or impossible. So if Tia is ultra-powerful, and in charge of everything, she won't be on the side of the pirates because that would make it too easy for them. But, she might be on no one's side...
If, on the other hand, Tia is more how we saw her in 2, she would be on the side of the pirates, because her help would be mysterious and indirect at best, so it wouldnt give them too much of an advantage.

Am i making any sense? LOL.

Still dont think she is in league with Beckett. LOL... But there's something I still don't get... Obviously its the CAPTAIN of the Flying Dutchman who controls the kraken (and thus, the ocean)... so really, the heart is a means to that end. So why won't Beckett just stab the heart and set up one of his guys as captain??

Good points^^ and yes you make sense..

But if she's not in league with Beckett then WHY make the heart go to him? Te jar of dirt would be pointless to the story if it wasn't her means of getting th heart to the EITC. Also she gives Jack the inkling to visit Tortuga where he will pick up the very man who finds the heart due to the Jar of dirt. He also picks up the key link in the Will/Davy thing. all because of Tia.

She may not be in complete league with Beckett..she may just want the heart to be kept safe with him for the time being. She may be trying to figure out a way to make Davy able to walk on land and stay on land..which could mean give the Dutchman a new captain to take Davy's place....WILL....then Davy wont die.

She might not be causing the will/Davy fate for the EITC She may be doing it all for HERSELF so she can keep davy WITH HER..she might be tricking the hell out of the EITC for her own personal gain...I think she is the most CLEVER and sly character of the lot. 😂

She may be tricking Beckett..He is the only one who would be able to officially stop the wedding and so start off the whole Will/Davy thing. I think Beckett has spoken with her and he probably agreed to break up the wedding..the fact he says "fate intervening" just makes him all the more suspicious that he's been speaking with her. The fact he tries to prompt along the Jack Liz thing too..and the fact that his henchman clearly doesn't want to separate Jack and Liz in Tortuga all adds up to the fact that he has been speaking with Tia..but Tia is probably tricking him. She's going to be the biggest threat IMO not the EITC. Its like she is using all the characters as if they were her puppets. That would make sense if she was a goddess.

So yeah I agree with you..she cant make either side too powerful..but she can be the biggest threat to both sides 😂

yes she could! i cant wait to see how she will come out. It will take all of Jack's charm to tame her, i reckon... LOL

I still dont get what the jar of dirt has to do with the heart.

Yes i do think Tia is using the characters like puppets, but she obviously cares about Jack a little bit... or she wouldnt have suggested they go after him.
How did Jack and Tia meet to begin with?:

You both make good points. So now I'm thinking that Tia IS tricking the EITC. Maybe Disney WANTS us to think she's bad when really, Tia will come back in the 3rd movie and "be on" EITC side and kind of scare all the pirates. Then the battle that seems 'impossible' will come about and something will happen no one can explain- and it will end up being Tia on the pirates side afterall. I mean in the first movie Jack's meanings were a bit questionable and Liz and Will even have that conversation going "Who's side is he on anyway?" "At the moment?" Jack and Tia obviously get along so theres a good chance they could do the same thing. i never thought of it that way.

Now i really think that Tia is TRICKING the EITC NOT working for them (as LovelyOne said) hmm hmm. now i've got to go think some more!

yeah i agree with that- tricking but not working for--- though i still wonder if tia is at all connected with them. i dont think she would get involved there, even to trick them. i would believe she and jones are in league first i guess. Tia probably knew what Jack was up to, knew Will would end up on the Dutchman, etc. IMO Will's destiny centers around defeating Jones... so if Tia and Jones really are connected, no wonder she tried to seduce Will. Im not making much sense. I just think Tia is a good guy. LOL.

I reckon Jack gets his eyeliner from Tia, who makes it out of Jones' ink. hehehe.

I think she knows that Will may possibly turn out like Davy but she watns to make it happen IMO almost every part where the Will/Liz/jack triangle thing happened. Tia was there in spirit...I dont think the destiny is going to involve Will beating Jones..I thought it would be Jack who defeats Jones..he is the main character after all.

Beckett could have thretened her. Will didn't want to do what he wanted either but he did it to save Liz. Maybe Tia didn't want to help Beckett either but its what she had to do to save Davy.

yeah i bet jack will finish jones, if anyone does... but i think Will is going to be very involved in all things jones, cause of his dad.

🙂

Tia obviously planned/Knew of Jack's death LONG before anything happened because she had Barbossa's corpse there. She is obviously shaping how the story unfolds. She's planned everything ahead in my opinion..thers so much evidence for it. She plans to kill off Jack at the hands of Liz..which actually STRENGTHENS the liz/Jack relationship which means Will loses out and becomes like Davy. She kills of Jack but intends to bring him back using Barbossa...who is in her hut long before anything unfolds in the story. Evidence that Tia is shaping how things are going to happen.

Originally posted by jdl1224
[SIZE=3]Reasons why Tia = Bad News
by jdl1224 with supporting info by LovelyOne

Okay. So far the only one’s on here supporting the theory that Tia is BAD NEWS is LovelyOne and myself. Now, I am really thinking this is true so I decided to post on it using LovelyOne and my own ideas lol. Alright, here we go! J

[B]Reasons why Tia is Bad News:
Tia and Davy being possible Lovers We don’t know this for sure but there are many indications that she was in fact the lover that made Davy turn evil and cut his heart out.
1. The Matching Lockets. Tia’s shows when Jack is stealing a ring from the table. Sure she could have traded for it or something of the sort- but I don’t think they’d put it there if something like that had happened. When Will is getting the key from Davy’s tentacles it shows his locket and begins to play music that puts him to sleep. What would cause that? Thinking of a happy time of you life could make you fall back asleep or just begin to think about it, would it not? The music must have reminded him of something because he did go back to sleep. I personally think that links them together enough to show they were together. PLUS the same heart is found on the chest his heart is in. That could possibly be why he cut his heart out in the first place. Maybe those lockets symbolized their love for each other and when it was over he cut out his heart because their love no longer exist.
And if Tia WAS his past lover who turned him into what he is now, that means she IS “untamable as the sea”. Which means she could very well change her mind and turn on people just as she did to Davy and could possibly do to Will, Liz, and Jack.
Tia being AGAINST Jack I for one am not convinced at the little ‘act’ (if you will) she’s putting on. I think she is secretly against Jack. Why might you ask?
1. Barbossa Sure she acts like she likes him and what not. But whom does she bring back from the dead? Barbossa of all people! May I remind you Barbossa is the man that Jack waited what, 11 years to shoot!? WHY on Earth would Barbossa try to help Jack when Jack is the very person who killed him in the first place! That for sure, does not make any sense.
2. When Jack is “killed” You’d think if she had any emotional or even physical attraction to Jack, she’d be the least bit sad when she finds out he was killed. But if you notice when Gibbs, Liz, Will and everyone goes to her she doesn’t seem sad at all? She is actually kind of excited when she says “Would you go to the ends of the Earth to save him!?”
3. The Voodoo Doll It was found that Tia had a voodoo doll of Jack sitting on her shelf. What GOOD intentions can come from a voodoo doll anyway? Voodoo doll’s purpose is to hurt people. They’ll poke them or put them under water so that the actual person will feel like they are being poked or under water. This of course is a little out there, just a thought- but when Jack is talking to Davy and is saying “I’ve got a jar of dirt, I’ve got a jar of dirt, and guess what’s inside of it!?” he falls. Could Tia not be doing that because for some reason she doesn’t know the heart isn’t in there and wants to ruin Jack’s chances at it? She could have made the doll in a position to where it could be dizzy or something of the sort to make Jack get dizzy and fall. I know, a little out there- a lot of my theories are like that.
4. The Ring I brought this up and LovelyOne agreed with me on it. If you notice the black ring that Jack steals off the table (when it shows the locket) has a big black mark on it. And any time after that that the ring is shown, something bad comes of it. When he brushed Liz’s face and sees the black mark return, or when he’s cuffed to the ship. It actually involves a lot of bad things with him and Liz. And think about it- Black Ring- Black Spot. Looks fishy to me.
5. Will I think Tia wants Will. LovelyOne points out a lot that she thinks the whole Will/ Davy stories are alike. Maybe Tia wants to do the same thing to Will. Maybe Will will end up getting angry with Jack and try to hurt him- which again would make Tia against Jack in the long run.
6. Liz and Jack (LovelyOne’s theory I agree with) Because of Tia the feelings between Liz and Jack develop a lot faster then they normally would. Liz didn’t really start to think of her liking Jack until the compass pointed to him. I think Tia was also the one messing Jack’s compass up because it was trying to point to the chest and Liz at the same time. Because if you notice when Liz is sitting on the chest the compass works fine because the 2 things he wants most are in the same place. I think she did this because she wanted Will alone because she wants to Davy/Will story to come true. Which goes along with #5.
7. The Jar of Dirt As LovelyOne pointed out, the jar of dirt actually CAUSED more problems, and it never really stopped Davy from coming for him. If it weren’t for the jar of dirt Jack would of still had the heart and it wouldn’t now be in the hands of the EITC.
Working with the EITC I personally think (a big chunk of this came from LovelyOne) that Tia is working with the EITC. There are a lot of clues to indicate it.
1. The Compass Beckett knows a lot about the compass in the beginning of the movie, which was given to Jack by TIA. Even in the first one Norrington looked at his compass and just said “A compass that doesn’t point north”. He didn’t know what the compass did but Beckett knew it led you to the think you most desired.
2. Tortuga As LovelyOne pointed out Jack, Gibbs, Liz, and Norrington all wouldn’t of met up unless Tia hadn’t told them to go there. Because of her people met up as they did and it caused Jack and Liz to be together while Will was away.
3. The Man In Tortuga If you notice there’s a man from EITC that sees Liz in Tortuga talking to Norrington. He doesn’t say anything to either of them but just watched. He then reports it to Beckett maybe saying, “things are going well” (LovelyOne). It was very weird for me anyways that the man didn’t take Liz home. Why else would he not?
4. Beckett saying, “fate intervening” about the Wedding Is that not what Tia said too? It can’t just be a coincidence that they both said the same thing ABOUT the same thing. I think that Beckett had talked to her about it. Which means something IS going to happen with Will, which could be a reason why she wants him away from Liz. So when she noticed Jack had an interested she took it to get Will away from her.

I very much think that Tia is somehow involved with everything. She could be in a disguise or something of the sort- or it may not even be the Tia Jack knew and someone disguised as her. I just feel like something wasn’t right about her. Feel free to comment- but really think about all the points I stated. And feel free to add more. [/SIZE] [/B]

1. Who is to say she actually brought back Barbossa? No one knows is she did or not. And she might need the body for all we know and Barbossa is the only one who can get to the World's End to save Jack.

2. If she didn't like Jack she wouldn't have told them how to bring him back and tell them the only person who could and "brought back" the only person who could to save Jack.

3. A lot of girls slapped the crap out of Jack. She did say Jack has been gone for a long time; he might have left her like all the rest like that. Women get pissed off.

4. Black Ring had nothing to do with the bad things happening. If you haven't noticed nothing bad happened to Jack until the Black Spot returned on his hand.

5. You have nothing to back up your claim. That was the only time Tia actually said anything to Will; the rest of the time she was talking to Jack or the group as a whole.

6. Liz really wants Jack to the point she leaves him handcuffed to the Pearl. If you haven't noticed she didn't need to do that. Jack had already escaped the Pearl and the Kraken did not go after him; instead it continued to attack the ship. Sounds more like Liz wanted to protect herself and Will from certain death.

7. Davy cannot go on land expect once every 10 years but that doesn't mean his crew and the Kraken couldn't have gone after him. Notice that Davy and Jack only appeared face to face one time.