Originally posted by KillAll
i actually think colossus is a non factor. he has never shown (no pis... whatever other abbreviations there are now) to be able to stand up to more than one punch from juggernaut. if juggernaut didnt want him to.so basically i think thing is on his own. weather he makes it 20 minutes or not is dependant entirely on the situation.
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Colossus a non-factor?!?! 🤨
lets say warning alarms go off at the baxter building and juggernaut is half a block away. colossus just happens to be putting in an application to join the fantastic four and him and thing are deployed to stop juggernaut from reaching the building. it decreases there odds significantly since juggernaut isnt just going to deter from his path to fight some idiots who cant harm him. like i said, if juggernaut is serious, these 2 go down. 1 per fist of the juggernaut.
Yeah if they both stand there and let him do it, which they won't. Now if both Colossus and Thing have chips on their shoulder and are trying to prove something, then they're probably getting smashed. However, if they're fighting this intelligently and using their fighting skillsets, then they should have no problem keeping Juggernaut busy for 20 minutes. They don't have to hurt him, they just have to keep him busy. And focused or not Juggernaut's going to have a hard time getting past them if every time he throws a punch, one of them sidesteps it and judo-throws him a half-mile back.
Sure he could use his shield, but I think Ben's a good enough trash talker (and Cain has both the bad temper and the low IQ to fall for it) to goad him into dropping it. A mad juggernaut is then going to be that much more dangerous, but also then probably that more sloppy in throwing haymakers.
Originally posted by mrpressFor everything Cain is he is not a terrible fighter people normally he just doesn't care enough to actually bother with people.
Yeah if they both stand there and let him do it, which they won't. Now if both Colossus and Thing have chips on their shoulder and are trying to prove something, then they're probably getting smashed. However, if they're fighting this intelligently and using their fighting skillsets, then they should have no problem keeping Juggernaut busy for 20 minutes. They don't have to hurt him, they just have to keep him busy. And focused or not Juggernaut's going to have a hard time getting past them if every time he throws a punch, one of them sidesteps it and judo-throws him a half-mile back.Sure he could use his shield, but I think Ben's a good enough trash talker (and Cain has both the bad temper and the low IQ to fall for it) to goad him into dropping it. A mad juggernaut is then going to be that much more dangerous, but also then probably that more sloppy in throwing haymakers.
20 minutes is a long time to have to keep someone like Juggernaut from getting you. These guys aren't freaking Spiderman here they are tanks though be it a little bit better fighters but none of them are leaps and bounds above Cain. They can't stay close they have to run probably avoiding things Cain is throwing at them. Thie is not an easy task for Thing and Colossus.
I would say Juggernaut 9/10 the 1 coming from a PIS moment like cement coming out of nowhere.
Originally posted by newjak86
For everything Cain is he is not a terrible fighter people normally he just doesn't care enough to actually bother with people.20 minutes is a long time to have to keep someone like Juggernaut from getting you. These guys aren't freaking Spiderman here they are tanks though be it a little bit better fighters but none of them are leaps and bounds above Cain. They can't stay close they have to run probably avoiding things Cain is throwing at them. Thie is not an easy task for Thing and Colossus.
I would say Juggernaut 9/10 the 1 coming from a PIS moment like cement coming out of nowhere.
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Now although I really like your Sig...It rocks and I have saved it for myself... You can't honestly think that Ben is just slightly a better fighter than Cain? Marvel rates Ben at 5/7 I'd be very surprised If Juggs is better than 3/7 haven't seen his rating to be honest.
Ben and Pete don't have to beat him per this thread... And they are both CL100... That being said all 1 of them would have to is distract him...And the other could grab from behind and throw Juggs into the next state and they've won... Very easily done... Cain only weighs 900lbs... It would take him 2 days to walk back...While Ben and Pete enjoy a BBQ and play cribbage.
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Originally posted by Tony StarkThakns for the sig The PIttman made it
😕Now although I really like your Sig...It rocks and I have saved it for myself... You can't honestly think that Ben is just slightly a better fighter than Cain? Marvel rates Ben at 5/7 I'd be very surprised If Juggs is better than 3/7 haven't seen his rating to be honest.
Ben and Pete don't have to beat him per this thread... And they are both CL100... That being said all 1 of them would have to is distract him...And the other could grab from behind and throw Juggs into the next state and they've won... Very easily done... Cain only weighs 900lbs... It would take him 2 days to walk back...While Ben and Pete enjoy a BBQ and play cribbage.
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Anyways it isn't that simple my friend. They may be low class 100s the point is Cain has High class 100 wuth immeasurable strength and unlimited Durability. throwing him isn't going to be that easy as they literally are going to have to overcome his own strength for them to throw him any real distance. He may weigh only 900 pounds but tp throw someone you've got to overcome his strength first.
There is no easy solution for Ben or Piotr in this match. All they can really do is try to outlast the time limit which is a very hard thing to do when you aren't leaps and bounds ahead in agility or speed
Colossus fought with him showing his own, he was able to knock him off his feet with an acrobatic double stomp kick, and survive to buildings crushing on them.Thing got owned instead.
Current Thing is near Colossus level I assume, so they got a chance, at least they can knock him off his feet, throw him away, but if the shield his up, god help them.Not to mention, if they cut loose, no damage of Juggy.If Juggy cut loose, poor Peter and Ben
Originally posted by KillAllThey fought 3 times. The first time Colossus was beatin on him before the building collapsed on Colossus. The second time Colossus took a punch from Juggernaut and Colossus actually defeated Juggernaut via battle feild removal.(Which may have stopped Juggy for 20 mins. 😄 ). The third time Colossus was drunk and stood toe to toe with Juggernaut and no Colossus was not knocked out during that fight. He got right back up ready to continue the fight as Juggy was leaving.mind showing me this either?? i recall 2 occasions juggernaut knocking colossus out with a single punch. need scans?
Now before the Juggernaut fans crack a nut I am in no way saying Colossus can beat Juggy.
Being the don't actually have to knock him out or anything I think this method or something similar would do the trick.
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Colossus/ColossusandJuggySW38.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Colossus/ColossusandJuggySW38-2.jpg
He may weigh only 900 pounds but tp throw someone you've got to overcome his strength first.
Hence the superior fighting skills of Thing and Colossus. What do you think various martial arts like Judo do? They allow you to use your opponents strength / momentum against him. Ben is skilled at it, and I imagine Colossus' countless danger room hours haven't left him ignorant of it either. There's no need to power Cain down. Juggernaut might be unstoppable, but nothing has shown him to be untrippable. Once he's down, they grab him by the foot, spin around to get some momentum going and let go. Juggernaut is then last spotted flying somewhere over Albany. 😄
Originally posted by mrpressYeah Judo and stuff Help when the strengh difference isn't to bad but here we have a gigantic strength difference. As you guys like to point out Thing can hang with Hulk until Hulk gets angry than Hulk simply overpowers him. Cain is always at an Angry Hulk level. If they trip him it is a lot harder to do than alot of people seem to realize. For instance they reach down to grab both his feet he simply reaches down and grabs them. They go to kick him in the back of the leg. Juggernaut sends them flying with one good hit. They go to throw cain cain simply tenses his body and pulss back the throw is stopped as simple as that.
Hence the superior fighting skills of Thing and Colossus. What do you think various martial arts like Judo do? They allow you to use your opponents strength / momentum against him. Ben is skilled at it, and I imagine Colossus' countless danger room hours haven't left him ignorant of it either. There's no need to power Cain down. Juggernaut might be unstoppable, but nothing has shown him to be untrippable. Once he's down, they grab him by the foot, spin around to get some momentum going and let go. Juggernaut is then last spotted flying somewhere over Albany. 😄
It is alot harder to put cain down than people are willing to except. Instead yuo guys are trying to show the possiblity of why cain can loose instead of the actual how it happens.
To get from the how to why is a big distance to travel.
Yeah Judo and stuff Help when the strengh difference isn't to bad but here we have a gigantic strength difference. As you guys like to point out Thing can hang with Hulk until Hulk gets angry than Hulk simply overpowers him. Cain is always at an Angry Hulk level. If they trip him it is a lot harder to do than alot of people seem to realize. For instance they reach down to grab both his feet he simply reaches down and grabs them. They go to kick him in the back of the leg. Juggernaut sends them flying with one good hit. They go to throw cain cain simply tenses his body and pulss back the throw is stopped as simple as that.
There's a strength difference sure, but it not between 98 pound weakling vs. body builder. It's between guys who can uproot a city block vs. a guy who can uproot 1/2 the city. That by itself makes a world of difference. The difference being that Cain's body weight is nothing to these guys (as theirs is nothing to him). And there's two of them. Cain goes to punch the Thing, and Colossus nails him from behind. Cain goes to kick Colosuss, and Thing kicks Cain's other leg out from under him. (ignoring for a second that a beaten down Thing was able to trip Juggernaut quite easily).
Forget even bodily contact. All of these guys are capable of using everything they can get their hands on as a missle. That not good enough, any of them can hit the ground and cause the sidewalk to shatter under the rest of them. Then there's thunderclaps galour going around.
The point is that I'm not arguing that they're going to put him down for the count, but there are plenty of ways for them to keep Juggernaut busy for 20 minutes. Both Thing and Colussus are strong enough, fast enough, skilled enough, and smart enough to do that.
20 minutes later, they might be a bit worse for the wear, but they still make it long enough for Reed to run downstairs with his de-Juggerfication ray and put it to use.
Originally posted by snoopdogg
They fought 3 times. The first time Colossus was beatin on him before the building collapsed on Colossus. The second time Colossus took a punch from Juggernaut and Colossus actually defeated Juggernaut via battle feild removal.(Which may have stopped Juggy for 20 mins. 😄 ).
which issue are you referring to? this ?: http://www.geocities.com/pic_housing2/Colossus_KO1.txt
where colossus amazingly only lasts one punch? he did himself good by lasting 5 whole seconds and knocking juggernaut down. but his mistake was letting juggernaut land one of his own 😉
Originally posted by snoopdogg
The third time Colossus was drunk and stood toe to toe with Juggernaut and no Colossus was not knocked out during that fight. He got right back up ready to continue the fight as Juggy was leaving.
no... he laid on the ground until night crawler and wolverine had dug him out. juggernaut was gone by the time he got up. wolverine realized this and said "fights over, you lost". colossus was out like a light.
http://www.geocities.com/pic_housing2/Colossus_KO2.txt
notice how he is just laying there??? that would be a k.o. notice how after that juggernaut has time to dust himself off and casually talk to wolverine??? notice how juggernaut then leaves??? then how colossus gets up?
Originally posted by snoopdogg
Now before the Juggernaut fans crack a nut I am in no way saying Colossus can beat Juggy.
good... cause that would be silly 😉. i've said it before, and i'll say it again, colossus IS the non factor here. if juggernaut has a purpose in being in this fight, colossus is the first to go. soon there after add thing to the list.
Originally posted by KillAllColossus was kicking Juggies @ss until the wall callapsed on him. He knocked Juggy down on his @ss twice. That's more than Thing has done. If Juggy didn't have insane durability he would have taken a beating.
which issue are you referring to? this ?: http://www.geocities.com/pic_housing2/Colossus_KO1.txtwhere colossus amazingly only lasts one punch? he did himself good by lasting 5 whole seconds and knocking juggernaut down. but his mistake was letting juggernaut land one of his own 😉
Originally posted by KillAllOut like a light? Do you realize when Colossus is K.O.'d he turns back to human? Of course you do. Anyways he is stilled armored up and you can see Juggies foot on panel as Colossus gets back up looking for Juggy. Colossus was not K.O.'d.no... he laid on the ground until night crawler and wolverine had dug him out. juggernaut was gone by the time he got up. wolverine realized this and said "fights over, you lost". colossus was out like a light.
http://www.geocities.com/pic_housing2/Colossus_KO2.txt
notice how he is just laying there??? that would be a k.o. notice how after that juggernaut has time to dust himself off and casually talk to wolverine??? notice how juggernaut then leaves??? then how colossus gets up?
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Colossus%20fights/Colossusbarfight6.jpg
Oh and on the scan you posed on the upper right hand corner what do you think Juggy and Colossus are doing? It looks to me they are slugging it out.
well, juggernaut took out colossus in a few half hearted shots before, i dont see this being any different. ben might have went down a bit too early in that comic, but he wouldnt last much longer in anything else. id say it would take him 5 or so mins, only because if he gave them serious hits it would take a while to close the distance from where he hit them and where they landed so he can hit them again.
they only thing they could hope to do is avoid him, there is nothing they can do that would injure him in the slightest, and getting close would only give him a chance to take them out. so 5 mins or so, assuming they dont just spend the time running. the juggernaut could largley ignore them if he wanted, shields up and just walk on though, if they try and do anything to him he could take their heads off. juggernaut wins in 5.
Originally posted by snoopdogg
Colossus was kicking Juggies @ss until the wall callapsed on him. He knocked Juggy down on his @ss twice. That's more than Thing has done. If Juggy didn't have insane durability he would have taken a beating.
the point is, it only takes ONE SHOT for juggernaut to end this 😉. which is all the scan proved. saying IF doesnt cut it.
Originally posted by snoopdogg
Out like a light? Do you realize when Colossus is K.O.'d he turns back to human? Of course you do. Anyways he is stilled armored up and you can see Juggies foot on panel as Colossus gets back up looking for Juggy. Colossus was not K.O.'d.http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Colossus%20fights/Colossusbarfight6.jpg
notice that in your OWN scan colossus is STILL laying on the ground when juggernauts foot is in there. when colossus finally gets up, he asks "where is juggernaut".... clearly not in visible sight. so he must have casually strolled off??? on panel evidence suggests that colossus Does not always revert back to human form such as in the scan i previously showed you. after 1 punch colossus is clearly completely limp in juggernauts hands and still in ARMORED form...
Originally posted by snoopdogg
Oh and on the scan you posed on the upper right hand corner what do you think Juggy and Colossus are doing? It looks to me they are slugging it out.
and all it took to end the "slugging it out" was a single punch. colossus has NEVER shown to be able to defeat juggernaut... in any universe.
just as a reference... on panel evidence proves that colossus doesnt always revert back to human form when unconscious... take a look again. colossus is KTFO in this pic. or does he always play dead when his friends lives are in danger???
