Originally posted by Dinalfos
Juggernaut is probably not beatable with physical force, but can somebody tell me the context of this:
Juggernaut was suffering from a depowerment this issue. Its in the same ish where a skinny Cain rips the corner off a building and saying 'a little bit goes a long way'.
Originally posted by Dinalfos
How about this?Remember, I'm asking for context. This is NOT rethorical.
If memory serves that's from a New Warriors alt timeline story arc where the Sphinx ruled the world. As noted Juggernaut's not a mutant and wouldn't be affected by a Mutagenic Cellular Disruption field. I think this was the story arc where the female Sphinx punched Hulk around the world, killing him in the process.
Originally posted by bigbran
i dont understand what nightcrawler did to him.
Explained before...Hit him in the face with one of the torches that he was swinging from. Apparently they burn oh, so much hotter than that fuel truck Spidey drove into him, or Firestar's microwave blasts too. Both of which Juggernaut shrugged off. Also Juggernaut's forcefield was off at this point in the fight because she heated his armor white hot.
I think the fight will last until Doomsday, hitting Juggernaut faster & faster without causing him damage, does his 'Ha!' picks him up and BFR!
You know what's really funny? IH issue 461's editors(which would be roughly 35 issues after the issue that said that Juggernaut was stronger according to MHQ) have stated that the debate between "Hulk"(whatever the hell that means) and Juggernaut is still undedided. And this was only three years later. That means virtually everybody is free to interpret things the way they want.
I don't want to revitalize the other thread, though. I just thought it was funny.
Doomsday's base strength is much higher than Juggernaut's. Dooms is even listed as being a little bit stronger than Supes I believe. Juggernaut has never displayed the high end strength feats that these DC guys have accomplished. Really, the DC guys are well overpowered in terms of strength...no Marvel earth bound hero or villain comes close to the same base strength that Supes and Doomsday have. It would take even the Hulk some time to get to that level. So, yes...Doomsday is stronger than Juggernaut. Doomsday was created to be a killing machine...to evolve past anything that kills him. Juggs can really do nothing to stop him. Doomsday has already suffered a beat down death from Superman....so, Juggernaut can not beat him that way...and that's the only way Juggs would be able to get it done. IMO, Juggernaut's "invulnerability" would be really tested against Doomsday. I just don't see how Juggs could win it....Dooms is gonna knock him out
Actually it is Doomsday who can do nothing to STOP Juggernaut. Don't compare strength of Hulk and Juggernaut because Juggernaut don't have to get angry to be one of the strongest Marvel characters. His strength is easilly on pair with Doomsday. You don't see Juggernaut killing Doomsday? Ok, how do you see Doomsday knocking out Juggernaut?
Originally posted by Sam Z
Actually it is Doomsday who can do nothing to STOP Juggernaut. Don't compare strength of Hulk and Juggernaut because Juggernaut don't have to get angry to be one of the strongest Marvel characters. His strength is easilly on pair with Doomsday. You don't see Juggernaut killing Doomsday? Ok, how do you see Doomsday knocking out Juggernaut?
If they see Doomsday beating the crap out of Juggs, they are having hallusinations. For sure Juggernaut can't match Doomsday's speed and so forth, but there is absolutely nothing Doomsday can do to hurt Juggy. Therefore BFR remains the only option.
How far does Juggs invulnerability go? Does anyone in here believe that even a full powered Galactus couldn't even kill him...much less an abstract entity. Most Juggs fans in here think he is unkillable...but, i'm willing to bet that someone Galactus and above could do it easily. So, if they could kill Juggs...then Juggs is not invincible. The fight may go on a long while...but, there is no way that i can be convinced that DD and Juggs are on the same power level. DC powerhouses are generally more powerful than Marvel powerhouses...that's just the way they are created...like it or not. Supes and DD's strength is well beyond the normal range of Juggernaut. Sure, DD may find it extremely difficult knocking Juggs out...but, i believe if anyone can test the limits of Juggs "invulnerability"...DD can..and will. The sad thing is...I like Juggernaut more than Doomsday..but, from what i see...Juggernaut can't beat Doomsday
Originally posted by charlemagne9746
How far does Juggs invulnerability go? Does anyone in here believe that even a full powered Galactus couldn't even kill him...much less an abstract entity. Most Juggs fans in here think he is unkillable...but, i'm willing to bet that someone Galactus and above could do it easily. So, if they could kill Juggs...then Juggs is not invincible. The fight may go on a long while...but, there is no way that i can be convinced that DD and Juggs are on the same power level. DC powerhouses are generally more powerful than Marvel powerhouses...that's just the way they are created...like it or not. Supes and DD's strength is well beyond the normal range of Juggernaut. Sure, DD may find it extremely difficult knocking Juggs out...but, i believe if anyone can test the limits of Juggs "invulnerability"...DD can..and will. The sad thing is...I like Juggernaut more than Doomsday..but, from what i see...Juggernaut can't beat Doomsday