Originally posted by Darth Kreiger
Since Lucas changed it, it no longer is an Energy Field, it's a bunch of Cells inside you that produce the Force, and allow you to use it
miderclorians are a level of the force you have, ie how in tune you are with the force. it still doesn't matter about it being a field or cells, the fact remains the same, no person is inherently evil and the force is still a neutral force that can be used by anybeing intune with it. my point is still valid.
Originally posted by Lord Saboteur
TPM Anakin was too immature for the truth.
what truth, the jedis truth to ignore the natural things that happen in life and sould be embraced and used. if you had to do that to become a jedi then noone on earth over the age of about 10 could do it, try and control all you emotions all the time, when your mother is killed by men (sand people) and you fall in love, have had that person stollen from you, after finding out you have a kid and think you have killed that person, can you honestly say that youd be happy and healthy after that? id idin't think so...
read my point and rethink you arguement.
Originally posted by Sith Lord WinduWait, I was arguing? When? And what're you saying to me? It's as hard to read as ESB Vader(the member)'s posts. And the events of AotC have no hold when I'm talking about TP-Fricking-M Anakin. NOT the rash, arrogant and stupid Padawan Anakin. Reading comprehension is a friend, not a fiend.
what truth, to ignore the natural things that happen in life and sould be embraced and used. if you had to do that to become a jedi then noone on earth over the age of about 10 could do it, try and control all you emotions all the time, when your mother is killed by men (sand people) and you fall in love, have had that person stollen from you, after finding out you have a kid and think you have killed that person, can you honestly say that youd be happy and healthy after that? id idin't think so...read my point and rethink you arguement.
oh i get it, i couldn't be bothered to comprehend the words at 2:33am so i wanted a simpler explanation and i got it.
what im saying is that its possible to use both sides of the force if the person folows the right philosopy and isn't flawed by the jedi teachings or the sith teachings. hard to do but not impossible!
Originally posted by Sith Lord WinduIn accordance to the movies, that's just a big NEIN. And in EU, IIRC, the chances of not falling aren't all that good.
oh i get it, i couldn't be bothered to comprehend the words at 2:33am so i wanted a simpler explanation and i got it.what im saying is that its possible to use both sides of the force if the person folows the right philosopy and isn't flawed by the jedi teachings or the sith teachings. hard to do but not impossible!
Originally posted by Sith Lord Windu
the force is an energy field that surrounds everything that lives. it cant be classed into good and evil, its the user who conforms to class.the jedi want to help and the sith want power. the fact is that if the user is strong enough then he/she can use both sides.
also, both philsosopies (i know i cant spell) of the jedi and sith are flawed. the jedi must think outward, not allowed to love and have natural and healthy emotions like anger and pain. for example, anakin fell in love with padme but had to keep it a secret so he had noone to turn to, to find out what he must do aobut his strong emotions.the sith think about power and hatred, it becomes thier obsessionand they cant live without power and the darkside embracing them, thats why its so hard to break free, the more you have the more you want.
if the grey jedi exist then they would be better if they learned at an older age, a chance to express and learn about natural emotins. the jedi of the old republic were slaves to a flawed belief and the sith are too obsesed with power.
hmm... i see...
like i said the right teachings are the key, and being able to resist the darkside. fallings is easy as all jedi who try to resist embrace it at some point.
the movies do include two people using the darkside to fight. yoda uses lightning and mace uses his darkside to give him power in the palp' battle (if you count it).
in the eu anythings possible so argueing whether its possible is pointless as the right jedi may do it at some point.
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Personally, I don't like Lucas' idea that one is either lightside or darkside. It's perfectly acceptable, in my opinion, to use both sides of the Force as long as one is very, very careful in using them. Though, one who is good/neutral using dark-aligned powers would be less potent in their use, methinks.
Lucas never changed the Force from being the energy that runs through the Universe and binds it together.
But grey Jedi are a ridiculous fanboy dream. Let us be clear here- the Dark Side IS evil. It is the overriding lesson of Star Wars. it is not even necessarily falling into the category of evil- it might will be the very definition of what evil is.
You are either Balanced or not, living in harmony with the Galayy or not, being symbiotic or parasitic, good or evil. One is the Light Side, one is Dark. Light is the balanced side, the right side- the correct side. The Jedi are right. Dark is unbalanced, evil, and wrong (and ultimately self-destructive). The Sith are wrong.
You cannut 'use' both sides of the Force. That's simply not a recognised conceot. it is not as if you go to Light Side school or Dark Side school. Your side of the Force represents the very core and essence of your being- good or evil.
The Dark Side is evil and you cannot escape it. The Jedi are good and what they say and teach is right.
This is all absolute canon.
I always thought the sides of the force was like a spectrum - sort of like light side = acid to the left and dark side = alkaline to right
So its better to be one or the other as being both would make you neutral and not very powerful or incapable of using both dark and light side powers. So being neutral you could stil use telekinesis and psychic powers as such btu not effectively use heal or light attacks etc. AND force lightning etc. If you were like 14 to the right you could use lightning and it would be VERY powerful
Thats how I always viewed the force
I wonder how vaapad and Mace fits into this though
if you notice in the film, yoda uses force lightning, in jedi academy luke says that its the user who decides what power to use, no pwer is good or evil. grey jedi could exist.
as for ushgarak, your point about going to light and darkside school contradicts yourself, if you went to dark and light school then you would only use one of the sides, the jedi go to temples and learn, the sith proberly did the same at some time, but what about the first few jedi, i bet they used both sides of the force as its an energy field (i ignore the new crappy explanation) that is neutral, so grey jedi could exist.