Phoenix vs Franklin Richards (full potential)

Started by Grimm223 pages

Originally posted by FireIncarnate
But the way they changed worked well IMO. Okay maybe she shouldn't ahve been brought back quite so many times, and in such short time spans, but Phoenix is a great Marvel character. I can't wait til Warsong comes out.

**FI**

I just want Jean back with control over her phoneix powers 😐

The first ressurection was stupid. It ruined Cyclop's character and the whole thing about the Phoneix in DP saga not being her is ridiculous

Originally posted by Grimm22
I just want Jean back with control over her phoneix powers 😐

The first ressurection was stupid. It ruined Cyclop's character and the whole thing about the Phoneix in DP saga not being her is ridiculous

I agree that the Jean clone is utter garbage, but Jean does seem to have control of her powers, well she's mre in control than she ever was. After she comes together in the White Hot room she should be set.

**FI**

Originally posted by FireIncarnate
I agree that the Jean clone is utter garbage, but Jean does seem to have control of her powers, well she's mre in control than she ever was. After she comes together in the White Hot room she should be set.

**FI**

The wha? Im confused, Endsong had such an obscure ending. All I know is that she and the Phoneix became who being and then she just left.

Originally posted by Grimm22
The wha? Im confused, Endsong had such an obscure ending. All I know is that she and the Phoneix became who being and then she just left.

The White Hot Room is inside the M'Kraan Crystal and is the place where the avatars of the Phoenix are placed to heal and recover.

At the end of Endsong Emma sent all of the X-Men's love to Jean causing her to become White Phoenix again. She then neutralised the even horizon and departed to the WHR to recover and eventually become reborn. However on the last page, a tiny fragment confronts one of the Cuckoos, meaning that Jean is still missing some of the Phoenix fragments and if she wants to fully become whole again, she will ahve to return to collect it one way or another.

Breathe in.

**FI**

Originally posted by FireIncarnate
The White Hot Room is inside the M'Kraan Crystal and is the place where the avatars of the Phoenix are placed to heal and recover.

At the end of Endsong Emma sent all of the X-Men's love to Jean causing her to become White Phoenix again. She then neutralised the even horizon and departed to the WHR to recover and eventually become reborn. However on the last page, a tiny fragment confronts one of the Cuckoos, meaning that Jean is still missing some of the Phoenix fragments and if she wants to fully become whole again, she will ahve to return to collect it one way or another.

Breathe in.

**FI**

So they once they get those fragments back Jean will be back and everything will be good again 😕

Originally posted by Grimm22
So they once they get those fragments back Jean will be back and everything will be good again 😕

Theoretically yes. But people writing for Warsong have said that Warsong will not be a Jean ressurrection story, but will lay the groundwork for Jean's and thus Phoenix's future. I think Warsong focuses on the Cuckoos and Emma.

**FI**

Originally posted by FireIncarnate
Theoretically yes. But people writing for Warsong have said that Warsong will not be a Jean ressurrection story, but will lay the groundwork for Jean's and thus Phoenix's future. I think Warsong focuses on the Cuckoos and Emma.

**FI**

Ah I see ✅

Sounds good, i'll pick it up

Originally posted by FireIncarnate
Just accept the fact that Phoenix is a higher being of immense power, [B]even higher than wolverine ZOMMGZZZ!!111!!

Oh and...

Phoenix>god

**FI**

😄 [/B]


Cosmic Wolverine (Logan w/ Crystal) = Eternity >> White Phoenix > Dark Phoenix

Eternity is nto stronger then Phoenix, in "Guardians of the Galaxy" he says so and acutally needs phoenix to save him from dying.

franklin was recognized as being on par with even the strongest celestials.......he would kill jean with ease

Again, he can only Manipulate reality, Jean can control and destroy it. Even the celestrials have respect for her power again in "gaurdians of the galaxy"

Originally posted by Basti0n
Again, he can only Manipulate reality, Jean can control and destroy it. Even the celestrials have respect for her power again in "gaurdians of the galaxy"
isnt that dark phoenix?

no it wasnt. and Dalk Phoenix isnt her most powerfull form, white crown is. She exists in all realities she is the nexus of all realites. She would simply "burn" franklin away.

Originally posted by Basti0n
no it wasnt. and Dalk Phoenix isnt her most powerfull form, white crown is. She exists in all realities she is the nexus of all realites. She would simply "burn" franklin away.

"She exists in all realities she is the nexus of all realites"

😆

Where'd you get this information?

Originally posted by Basti0n
Eternity is nto stronger then Phoenix, in "Guardians of the Galaxy" he says so and acutally needs phoenix to save him from dying.

A Phoenix Avatar can save Eternity from dying.

That's what they do.

Heal Universes from certain ailments.

But we know an Avatar is not more powerful than Eternity.

It's just their purpose in the cosmic scheme.

Originally posted by Basti0n
Again, he can only Manipulate reality, Jean can control and destroy it. Even the celestrials have respect for her power again in "gaurdians of the galaxy"

Actually Franky can create, then Manipulate that created Reality, or destroy it if it he wishes.

Reality being "pocket Universes"

In the Abraxas arc, Franklyn appears at Full power for a few pages, he showed control over the timestream.

The Here comes tommorow storyline and X-men forever.

And yes Eternity has stated that Phoenixs power dwarfs his in Guardians of the galaxy.

The only Marvel Character who can beat Phoenix is the Living Tribunal and even eternity does what he tells him to.

Originally posted by Basti0n
The Here comes tommorow storyline and X-men forever.

The Mkraan Crystal is the nexus of all realities.

Where in iether series (read them both by the way) does the PF become the Mkraan Crystal?

If you don't have the scans, direct me to the page, I'll post them myself to prove you right.

Originally posted by Basti0n
And yes Eternity has stated that Phoenixs power dwarfs his in Guardians of the galaxy. .

Ok.

So what has she done (on panel) to demonstrate this power that dwarfs Eternity?

This would require a feat which involves Phoenix either destroying a Universe, remaking a Universe or creating a Universe.

So when has she done any of these on panel?

Originally posted by Basti0n
The only Marvel Character who can beat Phoenix is the Living Tribunal and even eternity does what he tells him to.

😂

And Magneto evidently

ohh...and ofcourse Wolverine...

That's the Phoenix Force in both scans.

Read

X-men issue 154

and

X-MEN Forever

And in Gaurdians of the Galaxy, Eternity is attacked and injured and he states that he requires a source of power greater then his to fix it and calls the the phoenix, who was attacked int he same way and just heals on its own.

All Omega Mutants at Full potential would be abstracts. The Franklin Abstract is a Hypothetical character...Phoenix should win by default.