Originally posted by Basti0n
ReadX-men issue 154
and
X-MEN Forever
I have.
And nowhere did I read that Phoenix became the Mkraan Crystal, the TRUE Nexus of all Realities.
Originally posted by Basti0n
And in Gaurdians of the Galaxy, Eternity is attacked and injured and he states that he requires a source of power greater then his to fix it and calls the the phoenix, who was attacked int he same way and just heals on its own.
Actually that was Giraud of the Guardians of the Galaxy timeline that healed Eternity, NOT the PF.
Like I said before...it's their job as Avatars.
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
All Omega Mutants at Full potential would be abstracts. The Franklin Abstract is a Hypothetical character...Phoenix should win by default.
That would be humans.
X-Men Forever was all about Humans replacing the Abstracts, "and their lied the Stranger's conceit"
The Stranger wanted the destiny that belongs to Humans.
This is why we see the Abstracts including LT bowing down to him, because one day, the Abstracts will be as nothing to US.
He was going to use Bobby(Iceman), Juggernaut's son, Mystique, Jean(who DID NOT) have the Phoenix Force at the time, and another mutant, to do this.
Originally posted by Basti0n
In X-MEN 154 Phoenix holds the universe in her hand (Franklin Included) she couldve destoryed it.
Interesting..
I know that issue well.
"she couldve destroyed it"
Nice going on the speculation, but she didn't and never has.
And frankly it doesn't work that way.
Giraud can Repair a Universe too...does this mean that Avatars can destroy Universes?
Her job was to "Repair an Orphan Universe" in X-Men 154.
She also goes back in time and convinces Scott to change his mind thus altering the future.
Originally posted by Mr Master
That would be humans.X-Men Forever was all about Humans replacing the Abstracts, "and their lied the Stranger's conceit"
The Stranger wanted the destiny that belongs to Humans.
This is why we see the Abstracts including LT bowing down to him, because one day, the Abstracts will be as nothing to US.
He was going to use Bobby(Iceman), Juggernaut's son, Mystique, Jean(who DID NOT) have the Phoenix Force at the time, and another mutant, to do this.
That makes sense but wouldn't Humans have to evolve into mutants first and then certain mutants evolve further into abstracts. Hence the Phoenix being the Ultimate Mutation?
So eventually what was once humans will now be abstracts.
Originally posted by FireIncarnate
Uhhh I would go on and say that Phoenix would just erase the entire battle but it would waste thread space.So what do you have against the Phoenix exactly?
**FI**
How do you propose Phoneix is going to beat someone who controls existince 😐
She may control Reality but Jesus controls existince.
Is this ever going to end? Phoenix fans putting her above other cosmics on speculations. As powerful as it is the Phoenix is vulnerable and has been hurt, killed, and driven away.
It can hurt Fraklin, Fraklin can hurt the Phoenix. Like I've been saying before, the Force was saved from the ship of the Entity.
When a group like the Ultraforce and the X-Men drive the Phoenix into a portal, Franklin can kick the Force's ass as well.
After the X-Men and Ultra Force destroyed the computers of the Mothership, the Phoenix Force was freed and attacks the Mothership (under the sea).
They hold off the Phoenix long enough for a portal to be opened.
They actually succeed in driving the Force into the portal against it's wish. Back in the past of the Ultraverse, Phoenix teleports back to the future.
It's action in the past is the cause of the Mothership's damage and crash upon Ultraverse Earth.
Note: The travel from the regular universe to the Ultraverse actually weakened the X-Men and the Phoenix. But the scene I have posted is after the Force was freed and refreshed (third page posted says this) where as both teams were weary after fighting the Mothership's defenses to free Phoenix.
To sum this all up, the Phoenix can be harmed and controlled.
