Where do you see the world in 5 years

Started by -Tired Hiker-5 pages

Originally posted by Bardock42
I am not sure.

I think it is a problem that will be solved over time. I think wars against middle eastern nations are most likely the wrong way of action.
For one a fair separation of "Israel" would be nice. Although that would hardly affect terrorists in general.
Basically, I think the "first world" should stick tot he rules they have made and not just want everyone else to do so.

What do you think the USA's dependency on oil has to do with this picture, not that you've metioned that or anything, just want to know your thought on it.

Originally posted by David Tsarion
living under a New World Order..

wich basicly is One World Government, a cashless society in an orwellian type nightmare..

dont believe me ? then stick around for a couple more years..

but the signs are right in-front of our very eyes..

"We shall have world government whether or not we like it. The only question is whether World government will be achieved by conquest or consent."
--James Paul Warburg, (Chairman of the Council on Foreign Relations, 1921 - 1932)
before the U.S. Senate, February 17, 1950

"To achieve world government, it is necessary to remove from the minds of men, their individualism, loyalty to family traditions, national patriotism and religious dogmas."
-- Brock Chisolm, former Director of the World Health Organization

"The drive of the Rockefellers and their allies is to create a one-world government combining supercapitalism and Communism under the same tent, all under their control. Do I mean conspiracy? Yes I do. I am convinced there is such a plot, international in scope, generations old in planning, and incredibly evil in intent."
--Congressman Larry P. McDonald, 1976, (killed in the Korean Airlines 747 that was shot down by the Soviets)

"The interests behind the Bush Administration, such as the CFR, The Trilateral Commission - founded by Zbigniew Brzezinski for David Rockefeller - and the Bilderberg Group, have prepared for and are now moving to implement open world dictatorship within the next five years. They are not fighting against terrorists. They are fighting against citizens."
--Dr. Johannes B. Koeppl, Ph.D. Former German Defense Ministry Official and Advisor to former NATO Secretary General Manfred Werner

"The technotronic era involves the gradual appearance of a more controlled society. Such a society would be dominated by an elite, unrestrained by traditional values. Soon it will be possible to assert almost continuous surveillance over every citizen and maintain up-to-date complete files containing even the most personal information about the citizen. These files will be subject to instantaneous retrieve/review by the authorities." -- Zbigniew Brzezinski, CFR member and founding member of the Trilateral Commission, National Security Advisor to five US presidents

"The Council on Foreign Relations is THE establishment. Not only does it have influence and power in key decision-making positions at the highest levels of government to apply pressure from above, but it also announces and uses individuals and groups to bring pressure from below, to justify the high level decisions for converting the U.S. from a sovereign Constitutional Republic into a servile member state of a one-world dictatorship."
--Former Congressman John Rarick 1971

just to make a point, its dangerous to be congressman and speak your mind

"I'm for the little fellers, not the Rockefellers."
--Sen. Paul Wellstone (his plane was brought down by an EMP weapon, he opposed Bush, his war on terror, and proposed a thorough investigation of 9/11.)

"Single acts of tyranny may be ascribed to the accidental opinion of the day; but a series of oppressions, begun at a distinguished period, and pursued unalterably through every change of ministers (adminstrators) too plainly proves a deliberate, systematic plan of reducing us to slavery."
- Thomas Jefferson -
(the forefathers warned you people, again and again cause they knew what is planned, but it seems people dont really listen..)

"Allegiance to a nation is the biggest stumbling block to the creation of International Government. National boundaries and the concept of sovereignty must be abolished. The quickest way to do this is to condition the young to another and broader alliance. Opinion favorable to International Government will be developed in the social studies in the public schools."
--Alger Hiss, U.S. State Department official and Secretary General to the founding charter conference of the United Nations

"The New World Order will have to be built from the bottom up rather than from the top down...but in the end run around national sovereignty, eroding it piece by piece will accomplish much more than the old fashioned frontal assault."
--CFR member Richard Gardner, writing in the April l974 issue of the CFR's journal, Foreign Affairs

"It is the sacred principles enshrined in the United Nations charter to which the American people will henceforth pledge their allegiance."
--George Herbert Walker Bush President of U.S.: 1989 ~ 1993. CFR Director, Trilateralist, CIA Director, Skull and Bones Member Addressing the General Assembly of the UN. 1st February, 1992

"... what is at stake, is more than one small country. It is a big idea. A New World Order where diverse nations are drawn together in common cause to achieve the universal aspirations of mankind: peace, and security, freedom, and the rule of law ... [The war in Iraq is] a rare opportunity to move toward an historic period of cooperation. Out of these troubled times, ... our fifth objective, - a New World Order , can emerge: a new era, freer from the threat of terror, stronger in the pursuit of justice, and more secure in the quest for peace ... Now we can see a new world coming into view, a world in which there is a very real prospect of a New World Order . ... We are now in sight of a United Nations that performs as envisioned by its founders."

--George Herbert Walker Bush President of U.S.: 1989 ~ 1993. CFR Director, Trilateralist, CIA Director, Yale Skull and Bones Society. Speaking before Congress on 11th September, 1991 [Televised]

"I believe that if the people of this nation fully understood what Congress has done to them over the last 49 years, they would move on Washington; they would not wait for an election. It adds up to a preconceived plan to destroy the economic and social independence of the United States!"
--George W. Malone, U.S. Senator (Nevada), speaking before Congress in1957.

"This regionalization is in keeping with the Tri-Lateral Plan which calls for a gradual convergence of East and West, ultimately leading toward the goal of one world government. National sovereignty is no longer a viable concept."
--Zbignew Brzezinski, National Security Advisor to President Jimmy Carter (Founder of Trilateral Commission with his mentor David Rockefeller)

"In the next century, nations as we know it will be obsolete; all states will recognize a single, global authority. National sovereignty wasn't such a great idea after all."
--Strobe Talbot, President Clinton's Deputy Secretary of State, as quoted in Time Magazine, July 20th, l992.

"The New World Order is a world that has a super-national authority to regulate world commerce and industry; an international organization that would control the production and consumption of oil; an international currency that would replace the dollar; a World Development Fund that would make funds available to free and communist nations alike; and an international police force to enforce the edicts of the New World Order."
--Willy Brandt, Former West German Chancellor and former chairman of the Fifth Socialist International, Chairman of the Brandt Commission in the late 1980's

"There has long been a hidden agenda to merge America and Russia under the New World Order."
-- Vladimir Zhirinovsky, Nov. 9, 1994, quoted in the 'McAlvany Intelligence Advisor', March 1995, at a press conference at the U.N.

"The ruling class has the schools and press under its thumb.
This enables it to sway the emotions of the masses."
Albert Einstein (1879-1955) Physicist and Professor, Nobel Prize 1921

Einstein knew the score as you can see..

PS: remember there are powerfull people in the world who are hell bend to bring us World Government BUT even if they succeed and we have to live in the New World Order, always remember that your Soul can't die !!
and death is just another door anyway..

Hmmm, so what exactly are you trying to say?

Angela Merkel might still be Chancellor, Hillary Clinton might be Madam President. If so she'll continue the newly set Presidential tradition of trying to give the German Chancellor a sensual massage. The world will be shocked again, but also secretly strangely aroused.

Not much will change in 5 years. There'll still be rom coms for the masses to enjoy.

Originally posted by -Tired Hiker-
What do you think the USA's dependency on oil has to do with this picture, not that you've metioned that or anything, just want to know your thought on it.

Well, I think the wars the US has in this region are probably in one way or another because of oil.

World war 3 thats where

Originally posted by -Tired Hiker-
Hmmm, so what exactly are you trying to say?

I'm saying that the elite of the world has plans for our future and those plans arent nice ones, and i show you this fact with using quotes from these very people.. straight from the horses mouth so to speak..

what ya think dude, nothing to it ? powerfull people who call the shots in our world just talking nonsense ? crazy talk ?

ignorance is bliss i know that, but for how long ?

btw i'm not trying to convince anyone, just speaking my mind and showing were i'm coming from..

- peace -

Originally posted by coolmovies
World war 3 thats where

i so hope you're wrong, but the signs say you're right..

syria, iran, china and N.Korea are next on the list..

btw do people really belive israel invaded lebanon because of the kidnapped soldiers ?

a giant LOL here from my side..

Originally posted by David Tsarion
i so hope you're wrong, but the signs say you're right..

syria, iran, china and N.Korea are next on the list..

btw do people really belive israel invaded lebanon because of the kidnapped soldiers ?

a giant LOL here from my side..

This Forum might be the right choice for you.

not not coz of the soldiers they want to take over the country

Originally posted by coolmovies
World war 3 thats where
The world today is so much different than the world in 1939. There are no grounds to believe that a World War is anywhere near possible in the next 5 years, next 10 years etc..

Originally posted by Bardock42
This Forum might be the right choice for you.

why because i state the obvious ?

wheres the conspiracy in believing those countries will be next on the list.. remember axis of evil ? well i didnt come up with it the bush administration did.. its their agenda, free to read for everyone who cares to look into PNAC documents (published by these very people)

http://www.newamericancentury.org/
tell me my friend does this site look like a conspiracy site to you or like an official Neo Con think tank site ? (wich it is)
you may also wanna check the names of the participants..
cheney, rumsfeld,wolfowitz etc pp..

PS: do you have the balls to read through it ? an open mind or one closed by believe ?

Originally posted by David Tsarion
why because i state the obvious ?

wheres the conspiracy in believing those countries will be next on the list.. remember axis of evil ? well i didnt come up with it the bush administration did.. its their agenda, free to read for everyone who cares to look into PNAC documents (published by these very people)

http://www.newamericancentury.org/
tell me my friend does this site look like a conspiracy site to you or like an official Neo Con think tank site ? (wich it is)
you may also wanna check the names of the participants..
cheney, rumsfeld,wolfowitz etc pp..

PS: do you have the balls to read through it ? an open mind or one closed by believe ?

Closed by believe, sorry.

Anyways, I just think you might like the forum because it is about conspiracies and you are talking about a conspiracy.
Of course you can participate in this thread with the theories and beliefs you have since it asked for it.

Originally posted by David Tsarion
I'm saying that the elite of the world has plans for our future and those plans arent nice ones, and i show you this fact with using quotes from these very people.. straight from the horses mouth so to speak..

what ya think dude, nothing to it ? powerfull people who call the shots in our world just talking nonsense ? crazy talk ?

ignorance is bliss i know that, but for how long ?

btw i'm not trying to convince anyone, just speaking my mind and showing were i'm coming from..

- peace -

I get what you are saying, but to me that is propaganda. There really is nothing but situations and their outcomes in those quotes. There is no solid explanation of how to solve any problems, just a means to make people fear something that may or may not occur. I do believe that there may be a significant change in the way people live, but I don't think it will happen all at once, or in a an awe inspiring way where people will all be slapped in the face by some sort of new world order, unless of course, the meteor hits. I am a big believer in the huge meteor hitting, if I must believe in any sort of awakening.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Closed by believe, sorry.

Anyways, I just think you might like the forum because it is about conspiracies and you are talking about a conspiracy.
Of course you can participate in this thread with the theories and beliefs you have since it asked for it.

tell me how an official published document by the very people that now inhabit the white house is a conspiracy ?
i really fail to see your logic.
perhaps you are a bit to quick with labeling things.

research over assumption, trust me you cant go wrong with that.. but ye i respect your opinion and I'm actually not really surprised that you wont even look at it..

ignorance is bliss..

Originally posted by David Tsarion
tell me how an official published document by the very people that now inhabit the white house is a conspiracy ?
i really fail to see your logic.
perhaps you are a bit to quick with labeling things.

research over assumption, trust me you cant go wrong with that.. but ye i respect your opinion and I'm actually not really surprised that you wont even look at it..

ignorance is bliss..

Maybe you are not familiar with the word conspiracy, but a group of people (cheney, rumsfeld,wolfowitz) plotting to do something illegal (attacking foreign nations, creating a one world orwellian government) is a conspiracy.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
The world today is so much different than the world in 1939. There are no grounds to believe that a World War is anywhere near possible in the next 5 years, next 10 years etc..

True. And WWI and WWII didn't just spontaneously occur - there were trends and patterns in the lead up of both - and it seems people were aware of the danger of conflict. Perhaps not on the scale it occurred, but conflict none the less.

I don't really see any trends that indicate WWIII might just be around the corner. People say "But the US is fighting in Iraq"- my thoughts on the matter aside the response there is - so what? War is, in one form or another, a constant. For pretty much forever there has been fighting going on somewhere. Not every conflict has the ability to turn into a world war, and none currently do either. Maybe in the future, but the next five years? I doubt it.

living under a New World Order..

wich basicly is One World Government, a cashless society in an orwellian type nightmare..

Personally I think a one world government would be great. A federated humanity, a single state united, rather then hundreds of states concerned with their own well being more so then the species in general. Still, once again I see no trends that indicate we are on the cusp of some shadow government take over. The world hasn't changed that much, nor do I see any of the machinery that would be necessary to even get such a thing slightly of the ground.

The next five years? Phones will get a little smaller, science will come up with some new cures, computers will get a little faster. We'll get a little older. Inflation might go up. Fundamentally the world wont be unrecognizable in five years time. Things wont be markedly worse, in fact for many it will, if one looks really closely, be slightly better. But such improvement or degradation is a slow, small process, easily assimilated in the march of life and most likely will pass unnoticed. But none the less it wont have ended, or changed in such a way that would seem alien to us looking forward... things just don't work that way.

Originally posted by -Tired Hiker-
I get what you are saying, but to me that is propaganda. There really is nothing but situations and their outcomes in those quotes. There is no solid explanation of how to solve any problems, just a means to make people fear something that may or may not occur. I do believe that there may be a significant change in the way people live, but I don't think it will happen all at once, or in a an awe inspiring way where people will all be slapped in the face by some sort of new world order, unless of course, the meteor hits. I am a big believer in the huge meteor hitting, if I must believe in any sort of awakening.

propaganda ?? by whom ??

as for changes noone said the changes will be sudden, its a slow process and its going on for decades, now tell me cant you see the ever growing pace of globalization ?

first they put countries into blocks like the eu for example, remember it all started as an free trade agreement and now it transformed into a centralized dictatorship in wich bruessel dictates to the memberstates..
america will be fusioned with mexio and canada, you watch it.. they call it NAFTA (North American Free trade agreement)
same scam.. same stepping stone approach..
http://www.nafta-sec-alena.org/DefaultSite/index.html
official site !

and those blocks will then merged under one authority.. simple as

dont belive me now, just remember my words in one or two years time..

Originally posted by Bardock42
Maybe you are not familiar with the word conspiracy, but a group of people (cheney, rumsfeld,wolfowitz) plotting to do something illegal (attacking foreign nations, creating a one world orwellian government) is a conspiracy.

its an agenda since it happend publicly for everyone to read who cares to look into information himself rather than having the media telling you what to think and how..
i mean its from their own website in their own documents what more do you need ?

also the neo-cons are just one little group inside a much bigger structure.. neo cons are small fish compared to dynasties such as the rothschilds or habsburgs to name just two..

Imperal Samura

you're in for a big surprise in the coming years..

see, you people will wake up either the nice or the hard way..

Originally posted by David Tsarion
its an agenda since it happend publicly for everyone to read who cares to look into information himself rather than having the media telling you what to think and how..
i mean its from their own website in their own documents what more do you need ?

also the neo-cons are just one little group inside a much bigger structure.. neo cons are small fish compared to dynasties such as the rothschilds or habsburgs to name just two..

Yes, that may be true, I don't know for sure, but I guess there could be a lot of things going on we don't know....nevertheless...is it a conspiracy theory and, in case it actually happens, it is a conspiracy.