Originally posted by quanchi112This thread was made on August 12th, 2006.
Oh and this thread isnt about the classic monitor so why bring him up when it isnt specified.
In '06 we had NO idea of AM's return... So I think it's safe to say, "classic" AM IS who the thread starter intended to be in this thread. 🙂
Originally posted by Shin_Nikkolas
IIRC, only a few gems were making creation waves of entire universes.
We know that the Infinity Gauntlet itself was only capable of manipulating a single reality.
When Quasar took his "tour" of alternate realities, it was very clear that in one of them Thanos with the Infinity Gauntlet and Maelstrom with the power of Anomoly/Cosmic Awareness/Quantum Bands were fighting, and they had destroyed some of their universe, but it didn't go beyond that. Never spilled over, and an Infinity Gauntlet exists in each universe.
So...
Originally posted by Shin_Nikkolas
Um, since when does an IG exist in each universe?I've never heard that at all.
I believe I just told you "since when", didn't I?
This was quite clear from the Quasar series, in which we saw Thanos with an Infinity Gauntlet battling cosmically powered up Maelstrom.
How could that Thanos, of an alternate universe, have an Infinity Gauntlet if they weren't specific for the universes?
And this was indicated by the Infinity Gauntlet work in and of itself, and WatIW which followed it, in which the bearers constantly refer to their power being over "this reality".
This isn't a multiversal tool. This grants dominion over a single universe.
Originally posted by Desaad
I believe I just told you "since when", didn't I?This was quite clear from the Quasar series, in which we saw Thanos with an Infinity Gauntlet battling cosmically powered up Maelstrom.
How could that Thanos, of an alternate universe, have an Infinity Gauntlet if they weren't specific for the universes?
And this was indicated by the Infinity Gauntlet work in and of itself, and WatIW which followed it, in which the bearers constantly refer to their power being over "this reality".
This isn't a multiversal tool. This grants dominion over a single universe.
The whole uni vs multi thing is irrelevant. It's like asking how many angels can dance on a pinhead.
Despite being able to bring about destriction on a grand scale, he just wasn't that personally powerful. If he was more personally powerful than the IG he wouldn't have needed flunkies like Psycho-pirate, an army of Shadow-demons, his various machines, etc. Anybody who needs to siphon energy from a nearby star to hang with some super-heroes is not on par with Thanos wielding the IG.
Laminator has hit the nail. I can understand why multi > uni but that is not the sole factor by which an object's or entity's power is determined. I'm just going to assume that the AM is multiversal (ignoring the countless debates we would have if the other side of the argument had been debated). The question of whether the AM would be any more or less powerful if the entire DC was simply universal comes into play.
The same thing applies to the IG. Even if it were merely universal, simply saying that AM being multiversal means that AM > IG is ridiculous. Abraxas is multiversal, but he would definitely be hammered by the IG. Doesnt' make the IG multiversal as a result, but doesn't take anything away from what the IG can accomplish.
In short, it does not matter if something is multiversal or not. The only time it would come into play if two entities were of the same power level. Other than that, using the universal/multiversal/omniversal/fourth wall argument is simply missing the forest for the trees.
Originally posted by Laminator_XNicely said and this puts the final nail in the coffin here, Thanos wins here as I have always claimed as well.
The whole uni vs multi thing is irrelevant. It's like asking how many angels can dance on a pinhead.Despite being able to bring about destriction on a grand scale, he just wasn't that personally powerful. If he was more personally powerful than the IG he wouldn't have needed flunkies like Psycho-pirate, an army of Shadow-demons, his various machines, etc. Anybody who needs to siphon energy from a nearby star to hang with some super-heroes is not on par with Thanos wielding the IG.
Thanos wins. Nice post laminator and maybe now they will understand.
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The one and only IG the 616 IG that is,
is Multiversal and beyond.
There are no Alternate Gems.
The only other Gems seen where in Two "What If's"
and as we know, "What If's" are mirrors of 616 (while not being 616 exactly)
which exist or come into existence in a meaningless and senseless manner.
So in order for other IGs to show up, a point in time during the IG series in 1992,
has to diverge, yes even now perplexingly so in 2007,
then this "Divergence" that somehow took place in 1992 in 2007 🤨
becomes a Reality of it's own,
Where Silver Surfer ends up snatching the IG from Thanos
(yet in this Reality he doesn't even get Eternity's attention,
not even when he stated he would Remake the Universe,
heck, Eternity never even appeared)
Then we have the Alternate Impossible Man incident:
(Eternity is not afraid of the IG in this Reality,
in fact,
even Galactus was speaking about Eternity as if he could stomp the wielder of the IG)
So were these IGs like the 616 IGs?
Based on these Two other showings in those "What Ifs"
I sincerely doubt it.
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Anyhow, here are FOUR Gems (Space-Power-Mind-Soul)
Creating one Universe after another, on top of one another back to back:
"Each New Wave CREATED another New Reality"
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These same FOUR Gems, almost caused the collapse of the Omniverse:
"These Two Gems (Time-Reality) must be reunited,
otherwise ALL REALITIES, including this one, will be destroyed,
I have to use them to CREATE a New and stronger Reality,
one whose Fabric isn't unravelling as this one is"
