Originally posted by jollyjim311
My point: We've seen way more impressive things from Vader and I'm not going to assume that TPM Sidious is better than him... "Just because." I'll wait to decide until after I know more about Sidious as of TPM.
Quoting Escape81 here. "TPM Sidious was so fast with a saber that he instantly made a sketch around Maul incredibly fast, if Maul moved a single inch he would have died". I don't know if that was the EXACT quote but something like it. That alone shows Sidious' mastery with a lightsaber and force speed, which are already good enough to take down ESB Vader. So it's not "Inconclusive" jim, it's quite obvious.
Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Quoting Escape81 here. "TPM Sidious was so fast with a saber that he instantly made a sketch around Maul incredibly fast, if Maul moved a single inch he would have died". I don't know if that was the EXACT quote but something like it. That alone shows Sidious' mastery with a lightsaber and force speed, which are already good enough to take down ESB Vader. So it's not "Inconclusive" jim, it's quite obvious.
Originally posted by jollyjim311
Yes, but until we know more I can say that Vader just beats the hell out of him with the force, though. We don't know, so I'm not going to assume. You, by all means, can, though, and it won't bother me.
Originally posted by Darth Sexy
My opinion? Uhm no. Vader couldn't beat ROTJ Luke, so what in the world would make you think he could contend with TPM Sidious at his peak in saber duels? My opinion is based on logical deduction.
rotj beat vader because vader underestimated luke and pushed his limits, gl there stated that in power vader is 80% of sidious so in a force battle sidious owns hands down, why? cuz it takes a small voltage of lightning to shock vaders life support system and pow vaders gone,
i need to know what lightsaber form sidious uses then i can try to see if vader can match him, can some1 please tell me?
Palpatine doesn't have a singular lightsaber form. He uses elements of all of them, to try to adapt to every combat situation.
Regardless, the TPM-era is when Palpatine is still in practice with his lightsaber, and probably equal in Force power to his Revenge of the Sith counterpart.
He annihilates Vader.
hmm true, but vader has the advantage in terms of strength not speed, if sidious attempts to fight vader strength to strength then vader has the upperhand but i doubt sidious will do that, he would prob chop vader up with other forms, but which form counters the shien/djem so form anyway? makashi is useless against shien if strength to strength, proven in ROTS dooku vs anakin