Originally posted by bigbran
No beyonder has never crossed any Universal barriers...
How do you think he came to the mu, or plucked doom from a different timeline, or could scan the entire multiverse, or warp reality in to many possible futures, or do any crazy thing he did.beyonder gave the multiverse 24 hours to live.
this is what happen when beyonder thinks too much.
http://img118.imageshack.us/my.php?image=beyonderthinkingtf2.jpg
Beyonder scared the christ out of LT, and all the abstracts, all they could do is beg to him.
Beyonder changed hulk's destiny, he resurected people, he cured people. He whiped an aramda out of existence, that had 30 000 people in it.
and you can thank mr.m for enlightening me on beyonder.and what about in DOV when spectre punked Myx?
Except that is pre-retconned beyonder ^_^, post retconned beyonder which is the cannon one, is just a cosmic cube.
P.S. Mr. M I have seen the scans of him and post retcon MM fighting, just saying hes not the multiversal power he once was.
Originally posted by Mr MasterOh thanx, and he never really did anything, but try to tell me to get scans, and disprove him, and he told me that my scans only helped Beyonder, and my arguement.
Cause he tried to make you feel weak with this ALE comparison.I made him go to bed.
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Originally posted by Jesse7were using him before the ret con, it's not that hard to understand!
Except that is pre-retconned beyonder ^_^, post retconned beyonder which is the cannon one, is just a cosmic cube.P.S. Mr. M I have seen the scans of him and post retcon MM fighting, just saying hes not the multiversal power he once was.
Originally posted by Mr Master
[B]They Warped an entire seperate Universe."Inhabitants of the Two-Dimensional Universe discover themselves suddenly possessed of the Unknown New attribute called height."
They simply turned 2D into 3D. Length x width x height. Impressive but that's not exactly 3D universe to 3D universe. This is what I expect of cube powers. They do ridiculous stuff but that doesn't make them above the abstracts. The Imps also have feats like these but I wouldn't put them above abstracts either. Multiverse? Not at all.
Molecule Man's power, has FAR greater potential than any Cosmic Cube or even the Beyonder.
All this shows is that comic characters do ridiculous feats. But feats and hierarchy needs to be taken into consideration.
MM is the most powerful because he's human with cube powers, but I would not put him at universal level. Celestials are still above him and the rest of the cube beings.
"Reece spent months thrusting back his Limitations"
"Molecule Man--I now transact on power levels Unimaginable to you"
I take that as comic talk. Certainly he exceeds the other cube beings as Kubik later points out. Rune King Thor exceeds the other skyfathers, Set and Chthon exceeded the other elder gods, and so on. But RKT is not comparable to One Above All Celestials. He did beat Those Who Sit From Above, but whether they're Celestial level it's yet to be proven.
Originally posted by Jesse7
Except that is pre-retconned beyonder ^_^, post retconned beyonder which is the cannon one, is just a cosmic cube.P.S. Mr. M I have seen the scans of him and post retcon MM fighting, just saying hes not the multiversal power he once was.
Post-retcon Beyonder is nothing to pre-retcon..you absolutely correct on that.
Originally posted by bigbran
Oh thanx, and he never really did anything, but try to tell me to get scans, and disprove him, and he told me that my scans only helped Beyonder, and my arguement.
That last part confused me.
The weird thing is that he claimed to own 50 000 comics.
he might own them...bet he sure ain't reading the ones involving Beyonder.
Originally posted by bigbran
were using him before the ret con, it's not that hard to understand!
I'll repeat this again. 😄
True Beyonders have no feat. The only feats are that of cube beings like Kosmos, Molecule Man, Kubik, and Shaper of Worlds since they're power originates from the energy's seeping from the Beyond Realm.
If one wishes to equate the True Beyonders at the level of PR Beyonder than go ahead. But there's no proof. You'll just be assuming.
What's the True Beyonder's powers level? N/A
But if we use PR Beyonder as a representative of the True Beyonders then Mxy and the Imps are dead meat.
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Originally posted by WhiteWitchKingno i mean we are using pr beyonder in the debate against neverbeenwithagirl.
I'll repeat this again. 😄True Beyonders have no feat. The only feats are that of cube beings like Kosmos, Molecule Man, Kubik, and Shaper of Worlds since they're power originates from the energy's seeping from the Beyond Realm.
If one wishes to equate the True Beyonders at the level of PR Beyonder than go ahead. But there's no proof. You'll just be assuming.
What's the True Beyonder's powers level? N/A
But if we use PR Beyonder as a representative of the True Beyonders then Mxy and the Imps are dead meat.
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Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
They simply turned 2D into 3D. Length x width x height. Impressive but that's not exactly 3D universe to 3D universe.
It was the entire 2D Universe they turned into 3D, sounds like a warp to me.
Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
Multiverse? Not at all.
They warped the 2D Universe from 616 Universe.
imo, that's Multiversal.
Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
All this shows is that comic characters do ridiculous feats.
But feats and hierarchy needs to be taken into consideration.
Making a Watcher go blind, isn't a feat to consider?
Aren't Watchers more powerful than Celestials?
It took a Multiversal destroyer to harm Uatu
Reed: "I can't begin to fathom, what could ring about a Watcher's memeory loss.
Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
MM is the most powerful because he's human with cube powers, but I would not put him at universal level. Celestials are still above him and the rest of the cube beings.
According to Kubik,
Interestingly enough though, he said that in FF Annual#23 & 26, prior to this issue with post-retcon Beyonder and MM.
This after those issues
"One of the most powerful beings in the Universe"...not comic talk, that's the Living Tribunal talking.
Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
I take that as comic talk. Certainly he exceeds the other cube beings as Kubik later points out.
Kubik made both statements.
We're left with feats to compare.
A Celestial is a Galaxy before it's born according to Kubik.
The issue did go on to say Cosmic Cubes are below Celestials.
Which is silly cause Kubik can warp a Universe.
Kubik turning a UNIVERSE into a sphere the size of his hand.
Post-retcon Beyonder was a Universe, but he was weaker than Eternity.
Even a Pocket Universe contains (millions of Galaxies)
why does everyone keep stating Mr mxyztpk his only a third dimesion imp and well who knows what level the dimesions go up to. In all honesty i think the imps would take it. A third dimension imp is a badass but there are even higher level imps and since we dont know where the dimensional level ends we are free to speculate it might go up to 30, 40 100.
