Paying someone to burn a CD off the internet.....

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
You should probably leave that "logic" in the dumpster you dragged it from.

I gave you the credit of assuming you'd be able to get what I meant, I gave you too much credit.

Nowhere in my post did I suggest the two are linked, I was comparing how one lack of caring because "It's not a problem.", eventually did lead to a huge problem. Like the "They earn money anyway." argument, you see? I also said that it's an extreme example, but an example nonetheless.

If you can't grasp techniques that aren't as obvious as a sledgehammer blow to the face, then admit such, don't imply there's something wrong with the analogy.

-AC

Agree that downloading music is right?

I'm pretty sure most people don't think it's right but I still think most people here will have done it or do it on a regular basis.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
you can analyze all you want, but i bet that if you started a poll here, most members would agree with me on this one.

Haha, so what? What does that prove? It proves that lots of internet users believe downloading is right. So what? Majority doesn't mean correct.

Feel free to bring on the sense any time soon.

-AC

thats my point. its the only option for some people, on a limited income.

So people would rather pay for music, than to get it free?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
thats my point. its the only option for some people, on a limited income.

So is shoplifting, do you condone that? Would you condone that if it was a store you had to run and live on the profits of? Do you believe a judge should accept: "I didn't have the cash, so I stole." as a credible reason?

I'm still waiting on that sense.

-AC

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
what is the rule of thumb here? how much should one charge you for this? is it per song or per CD?

It's not quite as bad as shoplifting.... unless you ran into the shop, took the product, made a copy of it and then left with the copy.

Originally posted by bigbran
So people would rather pay for music, than to get it free?

People are too lazy to pay for music, even mp3s, so they steal it.

-AC

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
thats my point. its the only option for some people, on a limited income.

People have been buying CD/Cassettes/8tracks/etc. For years on a limited income.

I don't support winmx and all of those websites that you can just download everything for free.

If you're that broke, listen to the radio or use iTunes that costs a dollar per song. Atleast then you'll be paying the 15 bucks and getting the music you want.

Originally posted by §P0oONY
It's not quite as bad as shoplifting.... unless you ran into the shop, took the product, made a copy of it and then left with the copy.

It's stealing, fact. It's stealing property that is not yours, without paying for it.

People are conditioned to believe that it's not as bad as shoplifting because you have to actually do it. That doesn't make downloading illegally any worse. It's as bad.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
People are too lazy to pay for music, even mp3s, so they steal it.

-AC

The only reason I'm saying it's better than shoplifting is because you don't deprive the retail business of the products. Unless you want to be really, very technical and say that as more people are downloading it; so more people aren't buying the CD's therefor the retail stores don't order as many in.

I'm not saying it's any less morally wrong but financially it's better for the retail stores then walking in a shop and taking their products.

Originally posted by bigbran
Isn't the programs, like Limewire, Kazza, etc, there for you to get? You Pay enough, for your computer, internet, programs, but your not allowed to get free music?

No, because it's stealing. It's not free music, it's illegal music that you are TAKING without paying. There's a difference.

Free samples at a store, those are free. Pirated CDs and DVDs are not "free".

-AC

Originally posted by §P0oONY
The only reason I'm saying it's better than shoplifting is because you don't deprive the retail business of the products. Unless you want to be really, very technical and say that as more people are downloading it; so more people aren't buying the CD's therefor the retail stores don't order as many in.

I'm not saying it's any less morally wrong but financially it's better for the retail stores then walking in a shop and taking their products.

That's not the point I'm making. People believe downloading is somehow massively different, it's not. That logic of poor income is pathetic, because people who shoplift as a result of poor income are still thieves and still deserve punishment.

-AC

If your making CD's, and selling them, of course that's bad! But when you just want a collection of music, w/o paying 20$ for a CD, and not even getting all the songs you want in one, I don't see the problem in downloading it.

Originally posted by bigbran
If your making CD's, and selling them, of course that's bad! But when you just want a collection of music, w/o paying 20$ for a CD, and not even getting all the songs you want in one, I don't see the problem in downloading it.

You don't see the problem in stealing material that others have worked hard to make, illegally?

Idiot then, aren't you? You don't see anything wrong with stealing?

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
That's not the point I'm making. People believe downloading is somehow massively different, it's not. That logic of poor income is pathetic, because people who shoplift as a result of poor income are still thieves and still deserve punishment.

-AC

I'm awear of that but the point I was making was to back up a post I made earlier about shoplifting being worse than downloading music illegally. You were concentrating more on ethics and my shoplifting post was not just about the ethics.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
You don't see the problem in stealing material that others have worked hard to make, illegally?

Idiot then, aren't you? You don't see anything wrong with stealing?

-AC

If you people would just start your own bands then you could listen to all the music you want for free, and you could burn cd's all you want without worrying if it's stealing or not. Gosh!