Re: Re: Re: Thor (vs) JLA
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Just leave this thread now. It's obvious you know nothing about Wonder Woman or Green Lantern. Ur logic is purely foolish and you argue against your self. in one sentence your talking about how green lantern couldnt' handle wonder man but then saying superman beating thor in the same cross over was bull crap. Get lost. you suck at arguing and have no idea about any characters you dont' like.
Yeah, up urs 2, you wanker.
Re: Re: Thor (vs) JLA
Originally posted by Nogoodnamesleft
1. Is this a joke? What's Batman gonna do? Oh yeah, before he dies he'll say "I'M BATMAN".2. It depends on how MM plays it. If he uses his speed, intangibility, telepathy (maybe, but I've heard that Thor is uber resistant to telepathic attack) he may win.
3. WW has not a chance in all of Helheim. Thor is at least on the same level of the gods who gave her her powers, probably higher.
4. Thor should win this pretty handily. The Green Lantern couldn't even handle Wonder Man.
5. Thor wins. Avengers/JLA was bullcrap of the highest order of magnitude. We're talking MBDD, mad bovine diarrhea disease. If you eat the meat of a cow with MBDD, it'll turn your intestines instead of your brain into spongelike material and you'll die with your @$$hole mooing uncontrollably. There will be no description for the biblical diarrhea that will follow. That's the sort of bullcrap Avengers/JLA was. Thor crushes Superman like he's nothing. Thor=a GOD, Superman=mortal.
6. On the ground, Flash puts Thor down instantly. If Thor is flying then I guess he can maybe hit the Flash with a bolt of lightning or mystical energy or something. If it really comes down to it then I guess Thor could throw his hammer at the planet they're on, since the Flash can't survive in space.
I disagree with 3 and 4.
First off, Thor isn't on the level of Diana's Pantheon. Zeus can destroy galaxies with his thunderbolts. Ares can create whole dimensions for his own picking. Hera can shatter islands just by flipping a chess piece down....
The Greek Gods are literally gods.
Thor is not really a god in a sense. He can die. He certainly can't alter reality. And he certainly can't move the sun around as if it were a balloon like Apollo can.
Second, Diana is relatively equal to Thor in strength, she's faster than him in pure speed, she's relatively more skilled and she can counter everything he does. She's taken blows from Cronos who's killed Angels from Heaven. Ya know, the same angels that hang around with Lucifer Morningstar and the Presence. She got right back up. Thor's most powerful attack is his Godblast. Which won't work. When Diana crosses her bracelets it forms a impentrable forcefield. The forcefield called the Aegis Shield deflected an all-out attack from the entire Greek Pantheon. Zeus. Hades. Athena. Everybody. And it just bounced off. So Thor's Godblast ain't getting through.
If you know about WW, it's stalemate. They're even in a sense that they're offensive capabilities are nulliefied with their defenses. Diana has alot more than lasso and braclets going for her...
Green Lantern vs. Thor isn't going to be as easy as you think....
You said JLA/Avengers is crap...but you've stated that Wonder Man defeating GL is valid. You do know that GL's shield have withstood a literal BIG BANG from Imperiux. It's lesser feats include closing a black hole with green zipper, containing a supernova and destroying an entire galaxy full of Qwards. GL is quite potentially the worst jobber in comics...
GL is on paper a herald or above level opponent. But writers write him stupidly...
I agree that Thor would likely beat Superman...but not nearly as easily you state.
FYI. Flash CAN run and breathe in space. How does the Flash breathe when he's running at the speed of light...?
I think Thor and WW are roughly equals. I do think Thor is a bit stronger judging by feats(WW helped pull the earth, Thor has lifted something that heavy by himself on two different occasions). I think he has a wider array of powers but like said WW can block most of them. Im not convinced she could completely block the godblast because he has destroyed celestail tech the size of a city with it. I believe at the very least she would be rocked by it, not just stand there. If galactus cant take it I dont see WW doing it either(I know Juggs did, but I guess Cytorak is tougher than Big G?? Got no explanation on that one). Thor has taken blows from celestials, several at the same time in fact.Its a safe bet tht the celestials are above either DC or Marvels pantheons. Skill wise Im not really gonna put one over the other. It would be a great fight done correctly.
Speed
Specifically, in Marvel Team Up-#26, the writer makes it fundamentally clear that Thor can move almost faster than mere MORTAL eyes can follow, and in Thor-#354, Thor was toying with Hela using speed that according to her was beyond comprehension. Thor stated that he was swift as the very lightning itself. G) Finally, the High Evolutionary using Thor’s DNA, did create a real Super-Speedster in Zefra. Question is, does Thor possess similar potential to that of Zefra due to his own unique DNA? After all, Thor’s DNA is quite different than that of mortals- Avengers-#14 (vol.1)- that’s for the writers to decide in some future date, I guess.
And ADAM WARLOCK, stated Thor is at least fast as the lightning he commands.
Durability
11) INVULNERABILITY: The following are historical examples of incredibly devastating forces that has been used against Thor. Thor has survived each of these highly Lethal attacks, and most of the time have come out unscathed. A) Thor has been on the receiving end of Zeus and Blitziana's LIGHTNING bolts. B) Thor withstood a barrage of ARTILLARY fire with ease, and a Heat Seeking Missile- see Thor#480, and Thor-#247; C) and in the J. Kirby's days Thor used to test his invulnerability by having a Cobalt Bomb explode next to him. D) Kang’s Dissolution blast to the EXTREME did not fell Thor-Avengers-#143, and in Avengers-#295 Mechanosaurus struck Thor with a Megahertz Artillery fire that would easily destroy any vehicle to pieces- with no visible effect on Thor (Note: even bullets from a powerful sub-machine gun can’t hope to accomplish the same amount of penetration or destruction that could a Megahertz artillery attack by Mechnanosaurus). In Avengers-#5-pg 20- it explicitly stated that nothing, not even an ATOMIC BLAST could injure Thor, or his hammer. E) Thor resisted the full power of the Man from Saturn’s Graviton ray-Thor-#255. F) Thor withstood the Thermal Man's HEAT blast that could melt Tanks instantly, also, Thor was insensitive to the Lava Man's attack- see Avengers #5. In addition, Thor withstood a direct hit by Firelord’s Cosmic Flame with absolutely no dire visible effect on him- Thor-#306, and Ghost Rider’s Flame proved to be totally ineffectual against Thor, as well- Avengers-#214, and when the Planet Ego raised his internal heat temperature to the EXTREME, it had no affect on Thor-See Thor-#133. G) Thor was unaffected by an Alien Freeze Ray-Avengers-#14 (vol.1). H) In terms of indescribable sheer Magical, and Cosmic power, for instance, Thor was just temporarily stunned by Ego’s pulsating energy attack that would, physically, have rendered AN ENTIRE RACE UNCOUNSCIOUS- Thor-#133. In addition, Thor withstood blast by Odin-Thor-#241, by the Celestials-Thor-#300, and by a space Armada-Avengers-Annual#7. However, the three most impressive testimony events that showed Thor's invulnerability, however, was when he, almost, took a direct hit by a Doomsday Bomb that was capable of destroying an entire planet, and soon after that explosion Thor felt from space to a planet called Pangoria-see Thor#387. Also, Thor resisted the weight of Multitude of Planets-Thor Annual-#9, and the Gravity of a Neutron Star-Thor-#282. The other event took place when Thor paid an uninvited visit to ATUM in the Sun's core. If you think that this wasn’t enough, Thor has survive incredible physical punishment by the likes of the Destroyer, Durok, the Mangog, Surtur- Thor-#351, by the Devourer-Marvel Two In One-#23, The Thermal Man, Terminus, the 300,000 ft. tall Rhun god when he swatted Thor aside-Thor#220, and the Celestial- The One Above All- when he not only swatted Thor aside, but did hurled at him unnumbered tons of delicate machinery at him with no significant adverse effect on Thor-See Thor-#288
Originally posted by MJOILNIR
I think Thor and WW are roughly equals. I do think Thor is a bit stronger judging by feats(WW helped pull the earth, Thor has lifted something that heavy by himself on two different occasions). I think he has a wider array of powers but like said WW can block most of them. Im not convinced she could block the godblast because he has destroyed celestail tech the size of a city with it. I believe at the very least she would be rocked by it, not just stand there. If galactus cant take it I dont see WW doing it either(I know Juggs did, but I guess Cytorak is tougher than Big G?? Got no explanation on that one). Thor has taken blows from celestials, several at the same time in fact. Skill wise Im not really gonna put one over the other. It would be a great fight done correctly.
Well this is the logic for assuming WW is about the same strength as Thor. Superman and Thor should be around the same strength. Superman has even more panels of strength showings than Thor. WW has fought Superman and other beings as strong as superman. Stalemating, and sometimes winning against them. THe Omac Files list Supermans' strength as a1 and diana's strength as a1. This means that they are clearly in the same catagory of strength. If he was leagues ahead of her like some would suggest, it would not have been written that if she went crazy, superman is the only person on earth, who could restrain her. Just like when it came to supers going crazy, max lord chose for supers to try and kill ww. He viewed them as the two biggest threats to Humanity. As far as WW blocking the God force. She blocked the entire greek pantheons blast. thor's blast pales in comparison. But if thor has the right to use his god force, WW can use the God wave FTW. Thor has nothing in his arsenal that can produce that kind of power or block it.
Im not saying he gets to use it. Besides Mjolnir has absorbed enough energy to destroy a good part of the universe and redirected it. He may be able to absorb a good part of the god wave. Its clearly in the scope of his past feats to do so. He has clearly demostrated he ability to absorb godly energy and magic. He himself has taken direct hits that took down the 2000 ft tall destroyer.
Originally posted by MJOILNIR
Im not saying he gets to use it. Besides Mjolnir has absorbed enough energy to destroy a good part of the universe and redirected it. He may be able to absorb a good part of the god wave. Its clearly in the scope of his past feats to do so. He has clearly demostrated he ability to absorb godly energy and magic. He himself has taken direct hits that took down the 2000 ft tall destroyer.
The Godwave is the creation force. It's like saying the hammer can absorb the Overmind or the Phoenix Force...
Im saying in a destructive manner. If its actually a part of DC's source thats different. If its magic energy as a whole used by thier godly pantheons then its easily concievable. To cause destruction it has to be used as such dosnt it? Absorb the phoenix force no, absorb a destructive blast from the phoenix force then maybe. I dont know how far the writers would go with it. It would have taken a being well above skyfather or at the very least equal to absorb the kind of energy Mjolnir did. A blast that would have destroyed a large portion of the galaxie is amazing. Even as comic feats go.
Originally posted by MJOILNIR
Im saying in a destructive manner. If its actually a part of DC's source thats different. If its magic energy as a whole used by thier godly pantheons then its easily concievable. To cause destruction it has to be used as such dosnt it?
It's not part of the Source. The Godwave is likened to the Phoenix Force. It taps in the primodial energies of the Old Gods and gave birth to the New Gods. Including the Hindu Pantheon, the Egyptian Pantheon, the Grecian Patheon and the New Gods.
The Godwave IS connected to the Source.
Diana can wield it because she is the avatar of Gaea. She basically becomes DC's Phoenix.
Thor could not absorb it. It would shatter his hammer into pieces. It's power is so great that the Presence had to hide it into his Kingdom of Heaven to be guarded. Which is why Cronos broke down heaven's gates using the Scythe and went on a killing spree with the angels.
The Angels feared that if Cronos got the Godwave he would be a threat to the Presence himself.
Thor's godforce attack pales in comparsion? And what proof is there of that? Odin + all the other Asgardians powering the Destroyer can't take out one Celestial. Didn't Thor's godforce attack or whatever once break through a Celestial's armour? I doubt the Greek gods to be more powerful than Marvel's Norse gods.
Originally posted by Nogoodnamesleft
Thor's godforce attack pales in comparsion? And what proof is there of that? Odin + all the other Asgardians powering the Destroyer can't take out one Celestial. Didn't Thor's godforce attack or whatever once break through a Celestial's armour? I doubt the Greek gods to be more powerful than Marvel's Norse gods.
Didnt' I tell you not to enter this forum again? You talk nonsense and lies and dont' know what your talking about. First off, Zeus is a sky father and part of the quintessence. 2ndly, Greek Gods are true Gods and are immortal. Norse Gods are not immortal and not even truly divine. 3rdly, your comparing Thor's attack against a celestial, against Diana's power of the God wave, that gave every SINGLE Diety and god and cosmic being and Super powered person ever in the universe thier powers and it continues to expand it's power. bah, Your not worth the debate any more. go read some respect threads or something.
Originally posted by MJOILNIR
Maybe it hasnt meet the right person to break it yet 😆 In marvel there are far greater forces than the godly pantheons. Id say thier is also in DC.
Darksied is greater than all the pantheons combined. He didn't break it. I can see the spectre or Mxy breaking the shield. But thor or his god force is not in that league of power.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
For one the force field has never been broken by anything. SO yeah, it's superior to a celestials armor.
No I know he's not. I edited my post adding this. One constant in the universe both real and imaganary is that theres always somone bigger and badder than you are. Look what the destroyer has done to Thor or DD and Gog did to Supes. It wouldent be any fun if the heros always won or were completely unbeatable.