Beyonder vs The Presence, Yahweh, TOAA.

Started by darthgoober17 pages

Hey, has the Beyonder ever said anything and it NOT have am exclamation point or question mark?
I just notced, and I don't think he does.

Originally posted by darthgoober
No, Doom touched the Beyonder physically and absorbed his power. There's another reasonable reason, he wasn't omnipotent.
But I am happy to see you say that TOAA and the Beyonder are equal, instead of saying Beyonder would beat him(hey that's a start).

I never said that Beyonder was equal to TOAA.

You said the TOAA was ever-lasting, and were created before time itself.
Now, the Living Tribunal in Secret Wars must then have known about TOAA, yet claims with the other that the Beyonder is the most powerful force in the Multi-verse.
And Beyonder says that he's many times more powerful than the Multi-verses combinded.

Originally posted by darthgoober
No, Doom touched the Beyonder physically and absorbed his power. There's another reasonable reason, he wasn't omnipotent.

Actually Beyonder was studying and disecting Doom like a Lab Rat, he was also keeping him from dying.

Beyonder wanted to help Doom, Beyonder never expected this lab rat to be so slick.

Then Doom pulled his most masterful trick.

This Doom from a Distant Future with Galactus's Technology and Klaw, did the impossible.

Now the question is, did Beyonder allow himself to be robed.

This Doctor Doom, that was in Secret Wars the first series,

that wasn't really Doom,(well technically it was but read)that was a Future self of Doom plucked from the timestream courtesy of the Beyonder,

This is incredible,
Not only does Beyonder use a Doom from the future to fight in the Secret Wars saga, which now explains HOW Doom was able to Manipulate Galactus's vast technology, but the funny thing is Doom was already dead, he had been dead since FF #260, when the FF, Doom and Silver Surfer took on Terrax.

The insane part is,
He plucked him from a future that he himself was going to create for Doom way after the Secret Wars series, simply amazing.

This is well into the Secret Wars II series,

Now Beyonder sends Doom back in time to the Secret Wars drama that was already played out, just to re-install Doom's mind/spirit with his original body,
he speeds up that seperate event in time(Secret Wars I)and ends up in the now, with a fully revived and renewd DOOM.
Unbelievable.

Yall contemplate...I must feed.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
I never said that Beyonder was equal to TOAA.

You said the TOAA was ever-lasting, and were created before time itself.
Now, the Living Tribunal in Secret Wars must then have known about TOAA, yet claims with the other that the Beyonder is the most powerful force in the Multi-verse.
And Beyonder says that he's many times more powerful than the Multi-verses combinded.

You just said that TOAA is now what the Beyonder was then.

When did LT say that?

Who cares what the Beyonder says? Dr. Doom is always claiming to be the most powerful person on the planet, but it's obviously not true(with omega level mutants and all). Just because a character says it about himself, doesn't mean it's true.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Death, while NOT as powerful as LT, is more indestructible than LT...her role spans farther than LT.

The Concept of Death applies to ALL life in the Omni-verse, going beyond even LT's jurisdiction.

Then again, it could be that Adam Warlock was still alive. All Thanos had to do is snuff him and Gamora out and then Death would have no meaning as the Supreme power is eternal. Though perhaps Thanos would've had to eradicate himself as, unlike the Beyonder, he is not his power. While nothing still existed within that actuality, something of it still existed.

From Thanos' own words though even those realms weren't proof against his power, for he speaks of the 'coming doom'. It doesn't seem as if he were actually finished, just beginning.

I know it was stated to be a retcon, but the more I read the more it seems like an evolution of the chracter. The Beyonder has been shown to have limits multiple times but still, even illusion on such a cosmic scale speaks of great power.

Originally posted by darthgoober
You just said that TOAA is now what the Beyonder was then.

When did LT say that?

Who cares what the Beyonder says? Dr. Doom is always claiming to be the most powerful person on the planet, but it's obviously not true(with omega level mutants and all). Just because a character says it about himself, doesn't mean it's true.


All the cosmic abstract's (even Living Tribunal) agreed that Beyonder was the most powerful being in the Multi-verse, didn't you read mr. Master's scan?
http://img142.imageshack.us/my.php?image=w4vk3.jpg

Are they all nodding their heads in this scan? I don't have this issue and thus don't understand the context of the image. Who is actually speaking?

Since it isn't coming straight from anyone, I belive it's from everyone on the picture.

No it's not. It's coming from the Watcher. The Watcher is talking to Molecule Man and his old lady.

We'll have to pick this up later. I'm being sent on an errand.

Sorry for bumping, but I take it then that ToAA>beyonder pre-retcon is the consensus right? Doom also managed to steal classic beyonder's powers for a time too, right?

Beyonder is in serious trouble

he'll outsmart them all

Beyonder loses.

spite

Originally posted by 123KID
he'll outsmart them all

3 Gods vs 1

Nah, friend

3 Gods? no there is only 2, YHWH = The Presence, they rarely say his Name. 1 of the Gods would win

yeah i guess he loses Guy Beyonder loses
have a good day man

Originally posted by kevdude
3 Gods? no there is only 2, YHWH = The Presence, they rarely say his Name. 1 of the Gods would win

Hey Kev

Ur right, my bad

Originally posted by 123KID
yeah i guess he loses Guy Beyonder loses
have a good day man

i will

u as well