What has God done for you? (Christians only!)

Originally posted by leonheartmm
^you contradicted yourself 4 times there.

u say earthly riches are things to be humbled by and enjoy and be thankful for{assuming from this that they are GOOD}
but then u say that if u r not given them you shud be EQUALLY thankful. now, the person who has them, according to you, already has sumthing GOOD. so why shud the person who DOESNT have them{i.e. lacking, said good thing} be equally thankful? and anyway, y shud people be thankful for being tested?

taking on the world without riches is a very HARD, often painful, cruel and taxing thing which changes and disillusions people from many of the things which arent even materialistic but are nonetheless forcibly affected{i.e, marriage, equal treatment, self worth, morality etc etc} . itsn nuthing to be THANKFUL about, and most certainly NOT a blessing.

For the people who believe, it is a blessing. It means God has his eye on you in a unique way. Like in the story of Job, who went through many bad things but still clung to God, eventually God gave him back everything he lost and more.

This means that they will be rewarded either on earth or in heaven, those who cling to god and are thankful for atleast their lives and their chance for eternal life.

However, those who don't believer are just blown about like leaves in the wind. They don't believe therefore they are often simply where they are to bring across gods will, though they don't know it.

A good thing to a believer is also heavenly riches, rather than just earthly riches.

not counting the evidence against christianity as a relegion, there is no evidence for heaven, so all these people have really put their hopes in a convenient fairy tale. also, most people{even beleivers} who lose, do not gain back what they have lost. and there are sumthinggs that can not be gained back, like death of a loved one, loss of innocence, disillusionment. etc etc. sum things stay with u forever.

Originally posted by xX-Angel-Xx
Earthly riches from God are things to be humbled about and thankful for. There's nothing wrong with enjoying them.

Then again, if you're not given them you should be equally thankful for Gods testing and training.

Taking on the world without loads of earthly riches and still being thankful is a very good thing, it's a blessing even though it doesn't look like it.

That strikes me as a rather Calvanist sort of rationalization. Not to mention that it has no effect on how you live if you're wealthy but screws you over if you're not.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
not counting the evidence against christianity as a relegion, there is no evidence for heaven, so all these people have really put their hopes in a convenient fairy tale. also, most people{even beleivers} who lose, do not gain back what they have lost. and there are sumthinggs that can not be gained back, like death of a loved one, loss of innocence, disillusionment. etc etc. sum things stay with u forever.

Evidence is not evidence unless you take it that way.

For example, the first moon landing.
People see pictures and videos, yet not everyone thinks it happened.

Another example, healings.
People see them, not all of them blame it on God.

One thing I do know is that evidence is a human thing, and humans don't know everything.

That's my final word for now, I've got to go. Maybe we'll discuss more later.

^so what better phenomenon other than "evidence" do YOU posess which lets you discern truth from falsehood?

Originally posted by xX-Angel-Xx
Earthly riches from God are things to be humbled about and thankful for. There's nothing wrong with enjoying them.

Then again, if you're not given them you should be equally thankful for Gods testing and training.

Taking on the world without loads of earthly riches and still being thankful is a very good thing, it's a blessing even though it doesn't look like it.

So, the man who worked hard all his life, and died poor, should be as thankful as the man who had all things given to him? Is your god an unjust god?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
So, the man who worked hard all his life, and died poor, should be as thankful as the man who had all things given to him? Is your god an unjust god?

Whats unjust about it?

He kept you alive. God still didn't take your soul away from your body

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
Whats unjust about it?

It is xX-Angel-Xx who placed the importance on Earthly riches, not I.

Originally posted by xX-Angel-Xx
When I was very young (must have been about 8-7 or maybe even less) i remember that I wasn't a very fast runner.
Somewhere in my memory i think i can recall me asking god to make me faster, and God kept his word, i became one of the fastest. It was a small thing, but it happened.

God also blessed me with quite good artistic ability although nobody else I know from my family has ever been good at nor very much into art.

God gave me perseverence and alot of hope.

God helped me in a time of great emotional need, and brought me back onto doing what he wants me to do, Twice.

God gave me a good family, lots of money, favour with my manager at work and peace.

God gave me a purpose, a reason to exist. Just like he gives the universe a purpose and a reason to exist.

And God sent his son to die so I don't have to.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
It is xX-Angel-Xx who placed the importance on Earthly riches, not I.

The way s/he talks about God, it doesn't really matter if he is real or not.

Even if he is just an imaginary force- it is that imaginary force that gives Angel the power to do what s/he does.

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
The way s/he talks about God, it doesn't really matter if he is real or not.

Even if he is just an imaginary force- it is that imaginary force that gives Angel the power to do what s/he does.

I think you missed my point: xX-Angel-Xx is like a flimflam man. He will lie to you to entice the Innocent, because the end justifies the means. People like that do a disservice to Christianity. They promise riches, and when people take them up on it, they are often let down by reality. Even your god doesn't want this life to be easy. How would he have followers that truly loved him, if they were only there for Earthly riches?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I think you missed my point: xX-Angel-Xx is like a flimflam man. He will lie to you to entice the Innocent, because the end justifies the means. People like that do a disservice to Christianity. They promise riches, and when people take them up on it, they are often let down by reality. Even your god doesn't want this life to be easy. How would he have followers that truly loved him, if they were only there for Earthly riches?

I just ignored him, lol.

I agree, something tells me an omnipotent omniscient God would be able to tell if someone was only following him for material reward.

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
I just ignored him, lol.

I agree, something tells me an omnipotent omniscient God would be able to tell if someone was only following him for material reward.

I agree, but I am more concerned for the people who could be harmed, then god.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I agree, but I am more concerned for the people who could be harmed, then god.

Well, if they brought it on themselves.

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
Well, if they brought it on themselves.

I must confront evil. 😉

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I must confront evil. 😉

Do you believe in evil?

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
Do you believe in evil?

According to Christianity, if a man is saved before he dies, then he is forgiven. If Hitler had been saved before he died, would he be in heaven now?

Do you believe in evil?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
According to Christianity, if a man is saved before he dies, then he is forgiven. If Hitler had been saved before he died, would he be in heaven now?

Do you believe in evil?

Yes he would.

Yes I do.

Do you?

Sorry, but Hitler would've went to Hell either way. Nothing could "save" him from the crimes he committed.

Originally posted by Da Joker
Sorry, but Hitler would've went to Hell either way. Nothing could "save" him from the crimes he committed.

The grace of an all loving God could.