Bombing of Geonosis

If your saying this should have happened in the film, it's not a good idea for a writr to kill off all his characters in the sake of realism.

If your saying what would happen if, and not concerning the film plot, then I guess your right, although did the Republic have any decent bombers at that time?

I'm sure they had some 🙂

I've never read Shatterpoint, but... was the Republic fleet orbiting the planet while Mace attacked?

Did the Republic even have a fleet? I thought they had one when the clones came along.

Come on.. i think even with count dooku dead Palpatine would have carried on with the war thru some other means.

Remember it was the apprentice that would be killed, not the master. This was proven in Episode I - with Maul's death, Palpatine did not let in hinter his plans for domination.

Bombing the arena would be senseless. Jedi cant do that. There are innocent civillians involved too, not to mention the jedis themselves. They shud not commit the same mistake the americans made in hiroshima and nagasaki.

Originally posted by Cybervader
Remember it was the apprentice that would be killed, not the master. This was proven in Episode I - with Maul's death, Palpatine did not let in hinter his plans for domination.

That makes me think - what would Palpatine have done if Maul had lived. Because from what we saw from the movies very little would have been possible without Dooku. Dooku had wealth, power and political influence that Maul could never dream of having. So if there was no Dooku who would have been there to split the Republic in two? Who would have created the CIS/Clone Army and who would have started an inter galactic war? Because personally I dont see Maul being able to do any of this.

Of course Maul wouldn't have been able to. Palpatine adapted his plans when needed, he still would have succeeded, maybe sooner, who knows.

Hmmm now i really wonder what it would be like if Maul was not killed. I think Palps would nonetheless still employ Dooku to his service, as in having him on his side to do all the dirty political work.

Maul would be the terror in the CIS. Although if that is the case, the Republic would been alerted earlier that the separatist movement was Sith inspired.

Maul wasn't a CIS type of guy. He strikes me as more espionage and tactics...not a political leader.

Nor a charismatic figurehead.

Originally posted by Alliance
Maul wasn't a CIS type of guy. He strikes me as more espionage and tactics...not a political leader.

Nope.. of course he would not be a political leader. He would be the 'terror of the CIS'.. something like general grievous, but of a higher influence than Dooku.

Originally posted by Cybervader
but of a higher influence than Dooku.

Lol, Dooku was the most important and influential figure in the CIS. He single handedly split the Republic in two with that influence. Yes Maul would be the 'terror', much the same as Greivous but still not more important/influential than Dooku.

hmm. in terms of stature i would agree. But i based the theory that maul would be of a higher influence than dooku because he was Palps apprentice. Remember we're talking about how the situation would have been should maul was not killed.

Dooku could be a dark figure but not a full-fledged Sith. The Rule of Two forbits it. Though Palps could ask dooku kill off maul the way anakin was ask to do to dooku. But then again i would think palps would love maul, cos he trained him since young.

Though personally, the idea that both maul and dooku is alive, with maul of higher stand than dooku, seems rather odd.

True, based on the assumption that Dooku wouldnt be the apprentice. But I think that Dooku would be the figure head/grand leader that needed to be destroyed, and Maul would be the terror that constantly turned the tides of battle.

Originally posted by Rampant ox
Lol, Dooku was the most important and influential figure in the CIS. He single handedly split the Republic in two with that influence. Yes Maul would be the 'terror', much the same as Greivous but still not more important/influential than Dooku.

Actually he wasn't, Mace knew this. He was just the Political Leader, he had little more purpose than that, Grievous was the real face of the CIS, he led the armies, and kicked Jedi ass, Dooku was relatively useless to Palpatine after the war started.

Maul would be a terror on the battlefield, no doubt by AOTC, he would be incredibly strong, on par with Grievous perhaps

Originally posted by Darth Kreiger
Actually he wasn't, Mace knew this. He was just the Political Leader, he had little more purpose than that, Grievous was the real face of the CIS, he led the armies, and kicked Jedi ass, Dooku was relatively useless to Palpatine after the war started.

Dooku was irrelevant as a military figure. But take him out and the political side of the CIS crumbles. There would no longer be any figure head convincing the systems to join the CIS etc. And without political strength the CIS' funds will drop thus reducing the army size etc. So if you took out Dooku, who is at the top, everything else will fall eventually. If you took out Greivous only the military side would suffer.

Imagine, what if maul is alive all the way. but dooku died instead. Would Palps still asked of anakin to kill off maul? Yes anakin is stronger and the 'chosen one'. But maul is palpy's baby..

All that Sidious cared about was having the strongest apprentice possible. If he was put in the situation of having either Maul or Anakin he woul choose Anakin, for he had more potential than anyone. Thats why in ROTJ he wanted Luke, Vader had lost so much potential he had become obsolete.

Originally posted by Rampant ox
Dooku was irrelevant as a military figure. But take him out and the political side of the CIS crumbles. There would no longer be any figure head convincing the systems to join the CIS etc. And without political strength the CIS' funds will drop thus reducing the army size etc. So if you took out Dooku, who is at the top, everything else will fall eventually. If you took out Greivous only the military side would suffer.

Actually most of the Funding for the CIS came from the Banking Clan, Trade Federation, and everything else. Grievous could easily convince planets to surrender out of fear, and Palpatine was calling the shots for what they both were supposed to do, not like Dooku was planning all of this.

Dooku's importance was to create the army, start the war, and see that it moved on so it wouldn't be over in a week, and I guess so he could turn Anakin.

Originally posted by Darth Kreiger
[B]Actually most of the Funding for the CIS came from the Banking Clan, Trade Federation, and everything else.

True. But like Nute Gunray said "General, without Count Dooku, I have doubts about your ability to keep us safe." With Dooku gone they lost faith. They only stayed through fear of Greivous.

Grievous could easily convince planets to surrender out of fear, and Palpatine was calling the shots for what they both were supposed to do, not like Dooku was planning all of this.

I doubt that Greivous would be able to convince a planet to join the CIS through fear alone. Besides, GG was a wanted man in the Republic. If he showed his face in a Republic owned system he would e reported immediately. Dooku however can reason with the system, bribe the sytem etc. Then if something went wrong he can jusy use the force to influence them.

Dooku's importance was to create the army, start the war, and see that it moved on so it wouldn't be over in a week, and I guess so he could turn Anakin.

Dooku took care of the political side of the CIS, Greivous was the military side. Dooku still had to convince systems to join the CIS, he still had to make sure that all business ventures were running smoothly, he still had to make sure his acolytes were doing as told etc.