Thing vs. Hulk(Not what you think)

Originally posted by Metalmanx
I must correct you here.

If I recall correctly, Hulk hit Quicksilver many, many years ago. Back when QS's top speed was around 175 mph. Even before the Son of M storyline, Hulk would never in his dreams be able to touch Quicksilver before his depowering.

So, it's not saying much that Hulk was able to hit him really. Especially at the time that it happened.

I wouldn't say that, since he managed to touch(as in grab on to) a speeding Silver Surfer. He couldn't see him, but he knew he was there. But this was more a matter of Hulk's supernatural accuracy and sense of timing rather than combat speed, I'll give you that.

Originally posted by batdude123
Can Thing really run 400 miles per hour? 🤨 😑

When has the Hulk ever run that fast in the comics?

It should also be pointed out that no one has claimed that the Hulk runs faster than the Thing.

Originally posted by Jonathanos
When has the Hulk ever run that fast in the comics?

It should also be pointed out that no one has claimed that the Hulk runs faster than the Thing.

Originally posted by K3VIL
Ultimate Hulk could run at over 200 km/h.
Classic Hulk should be at least that fast.

I don't bother with the Ultimates as I hate the "Hulk" of that universe so I don't know whether Ult. Hulk has been shown to run that fast.

Just because the Ultimate Hulk can do it doesn't mean the real Hulk can, though.

I just want to know who's the faster runner?

Fighting speed I will give to Thing now. But Running I am not sold on yet.

Yay, a forum spanning discussion.

Anyway, I've always thought that Hulk runs faster. But thing is faster in combat speed.

I always thought Hulk was faster also. I actually would like to be proved wrong on this too.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
I always thought Hulk was faster also. I actually would like to be proved wrong on this too.

And that's exactly what the problem is: You don't want to support your claim but you want it accepted as fact unless someone disproves it.

Originally posted by Jonathanos
I don't bother with the Ultimates as I hate the "Hulk" of that universe so I don't know whether Ult. Hulk has been shown to run that fast.

Just because the Ultimate Hulk can do it doesn't mean the real Hulk can, though.

Why the hell not? Ultimate Hulk has essentially the same physique as 616 Hulk, if slightly more realistic.

The Hulk's speed was, as far as I know, never treated as a seperate power(like Quicksilver, who is not exactly a powerhouse), but rather as a logical consequence of his strength. It's very similar to his durability, actually. So bearing this in mind, I'd say 616 Hulk is even faster.

But yeah, you're right. There is (probably) no cold hard on panel evidence that shows him(616 Hulk) running at those speeds. So I guess it remains speculative. But we DO know that he's way faster than a normal human.

I always thought Ult. Hulk was a depowered version of 616 Hulk.

Originally posted by Dinalfos
Why the hell not? Ultimate Hulk has essentially the same physique as 616 Hulk, if slightly more realistic.

The Hulk's speed was, as far as I know, never treated as a seperate power(like Quicksilver, who is not exactly a powerhouse), but rather as a logical consequence of his strength. It's very similar to his durability, actually. So bearing this in mind, I'd say 616 Hulk is even faster.

But yeah, you're right. There is (probably) no cold hard on panel evidence that shows him(616 Hulk) running at those speeds. So I guess it remains speculative. But we DO know that he's way faster than a normal human.

Hulk is faster than an average person-- and much faster than most opponents expect-- but he isn't superhumanly fast. He is routinely outpaced by guys like Captain America, Daredevil, Nighthawk, etc.

Ultimate Hulk may be a different story, if his combat speed matches his running speed.

616 Hulk's running speed is entirely speculative. If someone asked me how fast Hulk runs all I'd be able to offer is circumstantial stuff like Hulk never overtaking Thing on foot when Thing retreats.

For the record, PAD was asked about it and as I recall his response was that he didn't think Hulk would be setting land speed records any time soon.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
I always thought Ult. Hulk was a depowered version of 616 Hulk.

Thats what almost all Ultimate characters are. They are usually younger too.

Originally posted by Jonathanos
Hulk is faster than an average person-- and much faster than most opponents expect-- but he isn't superhumanly fast. He is routinely outpaced by guys like Captain America, Daredevil, Nighthawk, etc.

Ultimate Hulk may be a different story, if his combat speed matches his running speed.

616 Hulk's running speed is entirely speculative. If someone asked me how fast Hulk runs all I'd be able to offer is circumstantial stuff like Hulk never overtaking Thing on foot when Thing retreats.

For the record, PAD was asked about it and as I recall his response was that he didn't think Hulk would be setting land speed records any time soon.

Like I said, it's speculative. I'm not going into exact numbers. But yes, he SHOULD technically be able to outrun all normal humans(including the peak ones), considering the proportion of his strength and size. If he the writers decide that he isn't, fine, but it wouldn't make sense. The Hulk(or any other humanoid powerhouse) is way beyond human physical perfection.

Combat speed is an entirely different matter. The Hulk is not swift or agile, which is why has trouble hitting smaller oponents. This is also due to his size. But honestly, there's a lot of contradictions, so we can't even be sure about this.

In the SHC debate, if memory serves well i saw the main question as who in a figth was faster. Hulk or Thing?

Wich is that case, its definatly Ben. The narrations of theyr encounters show it and so does the action.

But somehow (maybe without actually knowing the, why) i always saw Hulk as faster -running- wise. Jonathanos, i dont recall every single scan there, but was one of the issues of the debate that Hulk has never actually outruned Thing, and therefore thats the best evidence one would get?

If so, the question is pretty much answered. Yes, Thing is faster. As much as we know.

So did Thing outrun Hulk, then? If not, the issue remains debatable.

Btw, what is SHC?

Okay, here's the thing (pun intended)...

Just because you're very strong doesn't necessarily mean you're gonna be very fast. Two different types of muscles fibers are involved: slow-twitch for strength, fast-twitch for speed. So unless ANY super-powered dude has both fibers enhanced, strength alone ain't gonna win the day.

Of course, comicological biophysics is something else. But even then, being that Ben is so close to Hulk in strength, I could never understand why he couldn't leap or run comparable to the Hulk (this could also be asked of, say, Thor or Black Bolt).

"Well, Hulk has both types of fibers enhanced; Ben (Thor, BB) doesn't."
But then, why is Ben (Thor, BB) faster in combat, if he (they) can't run faster?

🤣

Originally posted by Mindship
Okay, here's the thing (pun intended)...

Just because you're very strong doesn't necessarily mean you're gonna be very fast. Two different types of muscles fibers are involved: slow-twitch for strength, fast-twitch for speed. So unless ANY super-powered dude has both fibers enhanced, strength alone ain't gonna win the day.

Of course, comicological biophysics is something else. But even then, being that Ben is so close to Hulk in strength, I could never understand why he couldn't leap or run comparable to the Hulk (this could also be asked of, say, Thor or Black Bolt).

"Well, Hulk has both types of fibers enhanced; Ben (Thor, BB) doesn't."
But then, why is Ben (Thor, BB) faster in combat, if he (they) can't run faster?

🤣

It's not strength alone, no. But powerhouses like Hulk are physically superhuman in EVERY aspect. The ratio strength-speed may be the same for them as it is for us, but they're both amped. It's all relative.

Or at least it should be 😉

As for the leaping, Doc Samson can do it, as can Hercules and Sasquatch and Wonderman. But why not Thor? I don't think he has any need for it. It's been said, though, that Hulk has the strongest leg muscles of any character in the MU, with Sasquatch a close second. As for Ben, well, he's not even close, strength wise, to characters like Hulk, Juggernaut and Thor. So that explains at least his case.

Originally posted by olympian
In the SHC debate, if memory serves well i saw the main question as who in a figth was faster. Hulk or Thing?

Wich is that case, its definatly Ben. The narrations of theyr encounters show it and so does the action.

But somehow (maybe without actually knowing the, why) i always saw Hulk as faster -running- wise. Jonathanos, i dont recall every single scan there, but was one of the issues of the debate that Hulk has never actually outruned Thing, and therefore thats the best evidence one would get?

If so, the question is pretty much answered. Yes, Thing is faster. As much as we know.

Case closed. Things faster.

is this a joke?? the thing is god damn slow! hulk wins

"Hulk is fastest! Hulk Speedblitz!1"