So basically, the system we have here is that if you don't like something, it becomes EU?
This doesn't make sense because we constantly discuss hypothetical situations in this forum.
And "Canon includes the screenplays, the films, the radio dramas and the novelisations." - Lucasfilm and Ush's beloved sticky at the top of the thread.
It would seem you're wrong.
Why am I wrong? We hypothise but we use canon to see it hypotheses work. You just disagree with a lot of canon, call it interpretation, and then we automatically go to the Eu section. Which is fine... no problem, just not in this forum.
And where in the canon that includes the screenplays, the films, the radio dramas and the novelisations, do you read grey areas?????
He doesn't have to. In fact, he contradicts himself. in ROTS he lets OB1 say: only a Sith deals in absolutes. Lucas deals in absolutes, so that would make him a Sith right. And maybe he is, he's got this evil plot for making six movies that people start arguing about. And we don't see it, the Dark Side of the Lucas clouds everything.
Originally posted by queeq
He doesn't have to. In fact, he contradicts himself. in ROTS he lets OB1 say: only a Sith deals in absolutes. Lucas deals in absolutes, so that would make him a Sith right. And maybe he is, he's got this evil plot for making six movies that people start arguing about. And we don't see it, the Dark Side of the Lucas clouds everything.
Lucas said in one of the ROTS documentaries that (essentiall, not a direct quote) "When anakin began to question what he'd been taught and what was good, that is when he became evil"
This echoes what Yoda said "Do not question" and "there is no why." The Jedi are screwd up and dogmatic. They blindly follow their own propoganda (Lucas among them). Questioning leads to truth. If questioning the status quo make you a darksider in Lucas book....Im proud to be one.
The Force should be all about achieving balance. YOu should do good in the world, but you can use all your emotions and skills to achieve that goal better than in you become a Jedi drone.
Originally posted by Alliance
Um...thats why what I write is EU? I'm reinterpreting and analyzing, not reinventing. If Lucas can't follow his own rules...why should I? Besides, Lucas left major gaps in his work?Heres a perfect example.
QuiGon: "Nothing happens by accident"
Therefore, everything that happens in the movies is predetermined. Therefore, the force shifts from light to dark and back again. The force would not decide to be "unbalanced" and men (Palpatine) do not control the force, the force controls them. THerefore, everything that happens in the movies is the will of the force, including the rise of the darkside.
Lucas attributes this to personal evil (Palpatine), but really, the force has ordained this transition.
Yoda is constantly b*tching that (the darkside clouds everything), but this is the darkside of the [u]force[/i]. This is not ANOTHER force, it is THE force. And since Yoda constantly claims that the darkside is not stronger than the lightside, the Jedi's powers were taken away from them. (Mace: "Our ability to use the force has become diminished"😉. Clearly the force chooses what it does and where it goes, not people. Therefore, darksiders are just as much the will of the force as Jedi.
Even pushing that aside, Lucas presents ONE view of a TWO sided god through ONE religion. The darkside is barely touched on at all, we simply get a corrupted version of the true nature of the force through Yoda...and ANYONE who tells me "Do not question" (As yoda did to Luke in ESB) is not worthy of my respect as a living being. Not only has the true nature of the force been unexplored we only get the perspective of the force from the dogmatic Jedi (and a little Sith). There is a lot to be explored and a perspective from people outside these stupid dogmas hasn't been given. The real nature of god/the force can be found in open-minded people outside dogma.
THAT is the point.
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I have to say, this actually makes sense. As a history student i have been taught to look at two sides of the issue, and the movies do not set room for the 'dark side' of the Force to be explored. Im not siding with anyone, but i guess when we discuss something not explicitly mentioned in the movies it becomes EU (for instance how the dark side view the Force, do they use it as an ally, or make use of it as a power source?). We can always argue that Anakin/Vader had always been in a grey area, if not how would he have redeem himself from the dark side?
Plus if we choose to see the Force as a religion, yoda's words actually holds true. True believers do not question religion, they seek to understand it, and rationalise the dogma. There's a difference. Christians believe in Jesus as the Messiah and Son of God, Muslims too believe him as a Messiah and prophet, but NOT a son of God, hence do not worship him. Depending on which side you are on, the jedi would definitely say 'the dark side of the Force' is but a corrupted version of the Force, and theirs is the true one. A Protestant would insist on their beliefs as much as a Catholic with theirs.
Ultimately, like i said before, the Force, like God, is what you make out of it, be it black, white or grey. 🙂
Okay peeps... reality check. SW is not reality, it's fiction... Lucas's fiction! And the SW approach is simple: you are good or bad. So yes, we see Anakin make a transition from light to dark, taht still doesn't mean there are grey areas all over the place in SW... because there are not. Lucas meant to tell this story how someone (ONE) who is good CHOOSES to take the evil path.
Ok. Have you ever taken a literature class? Lucas failed to present a logical argument about how one is either all good or all evil. He also fails to associated why Sith are always evil and Jedi are always good.
LUCAS has needs a reality check.
How is Lucas supposed to tell an accurate story if he can't properly define concepts.
Fiction Parallels real life. Inescapable.
Lucas failed at many things, but fiction is usually a simplicifcation and/or enlargement of reality. It never IS reality and it shouldn't be. Fiction should bring out the ESSENCE of reality in its fictional form. And Lucas's essence is that there is right and there is wrong. Reality usually gets clouded by sooooo much that we hide behind saying that there are grey areas. Grey areas allow you to refrain from thinking things through to the core, but exercise indifference which is then called tolerance.
Originally posted by Alliance
Ok. Have you ever taken a literature class? Lucas failed to present a logical argument about how one is either all good or all evil. He also fails to associated why Sith are always evil and Jedi are always good.
He DID associate why the Sith are always evil and the Jedi are always good. If you had watched ROTS, the Sith have shown their evilness when they staged wars that consumed the entire galaxy and Palpatine used his disfigured face to incriminate the Jedi just so he would be allowed to massacre the entire order which led to the events of the OT. TPM showed 2 Jedi Knights displaying their goodness by helping a queen free her home planet from the Trade Federation's clutches while ROTS showed 4 Jedi attempt to bring down the last Sith Lord who is one step away from ruling the universe only to no avail due to Anakin's betrayal.
Lucas has showed us that our actions will determine if other people view us as good or evil.