Maul and Obession Ventress vs. Dooku, no force.

Started by Blaxican Hydra2 pages

Maul and Obession Ventress vs. Dooku, no force.

Setting is once again in the battle bar. The first one, mind you.

No force attacks allowed, straight up saber duel.

I'm guessing you mean like no throwing stuff around with the Force.

Dooku could take on either one, one on one with the lightsaber. But together, Dooku is going down, but he'll put up a tough little fight.

No force at all. Offensive or Defensive, TK, w/e.

Like no jumps, or Dooku using the Force to overcome his old age?

lol.

Force Push/Pull, Lightning, crush ect?

None.

I Double posted, whatchu g0n d0?

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Dooku looks like hes on crack.

Originally posted by Blaxican Hydra
lol.

Force Push/Pull, Lightning, crush ect?

None.

Well, if Dooku can't use the Force to overcome age, then Maul and Assaj have the fight pretty much worked out for them 😎

Maul and Asajj.

Maul and Asajj.

If Dooku is allowed to use the force to overcome his age I can see him winning. He is leagues above them both in terms of duelling ability. If he cant use the force to overcome his age I doubt he will win. He isnt strong or fast enough to keep up with 4 blades at his age.

Dooku goes down. Maul alone is close to Dooku in terms of saber skills and Asajj isn't far behind him, either. Both are physically stronger and more fit than he is, there's no way he could take them, even with the Force I doubt it, though it'd be close then.

He is leagues above them both in terms of duelling ability.

*cough* Fanboy *cough*

Originally posted by darthsith19
[B]Dooku goes down. Maul alone is close to Dooku in terms of saber skills and Asajj isn't far behind him, either.

I highly doubt it.

Both are physically stronger and more fit than he is, there's no way he could take them, even with the Force I doubt it, though it'd be close then.

Without the force then yes, Dooku wont be able to cope with them both at once. But with the force I can see him taking it with relative ease. He took on both Obi-Wan and Anakin and managed to keep up with them both. Plus A+O are a stronger duo than A+M. So with the force Dooku can just seperate them and kill them one by one.

*cough* Fanboy *cough*

This coming from a person with a Darth Maul sig and avatar... 😉

Dooku could beat them both in a single fight, but if he were double teamed he would lose.

Darth Maul has a double blade and Asajj Ventress has two lightsabers. Dooku would have to defend four different blades at once.

Originally posted by Rampant ox
If Dooku is allowed to use the force to overcome his age I can see him winning. He is leagues above them both in terms of duelling ability. If he cant use the force to overcome his age I doubt he will win. He isnt strong or fast enough to keep up with 4 blades at his age.
Rampant, this fight is NO FORCE USAGE at all. Which, crudely speaking, means Dooku is beaten by his own age and the youthful vitality of Ventress and Maul.

Originally posted by Lord Saboteur
Rampant, this fight is NO FORCE USAGE at all. Which, crudely speaking, means Dooku is beaten by his own age and the youthful vitality of Ventress and Maul.

Thats why I said that without the force I dont see him winning.

Originally posted by Myers Man
Dooku could beat them both in a single fight, but if he were double teamed he would lose.

Darth Maul has a double blade and Asajj Ventress has two lightsabers. Dooku would have to defend four different blades at once.

Which he has proven to be capable of doing when he wtf pwns General Greivous.

Jesus christ you people are too technical.

Dooku CAN use the force to fight as well as he did when fighting Anakin on the invisable hand. By no force I meant no force pushes, lightning, w/e.

Ok well I think Dooku stands at least a chance...

Last time he fought Ventress he toyed her like crazy. She grew in power alot since then though. Grievous defeated Assaj and Durge at the same time, and Dooku was better than Grievous, and that was when he was trying to lecture him and mostly defended. Not going with A>B>C=A>C, but I think it's pretty obvious he is superior to her.

Maul is good, very cocky though. I'd put him and Assaj on close levels in swordsmanship. These two take up alot of room with their fighting styles and their weapon of choice. I don't belive they would make a good team AT ALL! If Dooku is able to keep up with Anakin and Obi-Wan (which both on their own is better than Maul and Assaj, and as a team they were known as THE jedi duo) I'm sure he would be able to at least keep up with Maul and Assaj....


I highly doubt it.

Really? Nick Gillard says Dooku's a level 8 with a lightsaber. Now, Kenobi, when using the Dark Side of the zForce in TPM, was a level 7 and Maul managed to overcome him so Maul's at least a level 7, possibly a level 8, so eitehr way he's close to Dooku. And the TPM visual dictionary states that Maul's saber skills > Sidious's saber skills, and he's a level 9 while in some comic Maul nearly bested Sidious in a lightsaber duel, so he's definately close to Dooku as a minimum. As for Obsession Asajj, she bested Obsession Obi-Wan, who was either a 7 or an 8 in saber combat so she's likely an 8, so not muc, if any, behind Dooku.
Without the force then yes, Dooku wont be able to cope with them both at once. But with the force I can see him taking it with relative ease. He took on both Obi-Wan and Anakin and managed to keep up with them both. Plus A+O are a stronger duo than A+M. So with the force Dooku can just seperate them and kill them one by one.

And why did he best Kenobi? Because Kenobi was going offensive, which he sucks at, and therfor Dooku easily defeated him with the Force. Then Anakin attacked him with such fury and rage that Dooku had no chance to use the Force. So even in a battle where Dooku got to use the Force he'd have to find a chance to use it without getting his head chopped off while trying and if he did take out Asajj and Maul attacked him like Anakin did I could see Maul maybe defeating him.
This coming from a person with a Darth Maul sig and avatar... wink

Hey pal, I'm not a Maul fanboy, I was one of the few who thought he'd lose to Ki-Adi and Aayla. But ask anyone here and they'll tell you that you're a Dooku fanboy.
Which he has proven to be capable of doing when he wtf pwns General Greivous.

In the Clone Wars cartoon wasn't Grievous using only 2 blades? And Dooku didn't wtf pwn him, we have no idea how long they'd been sparring before Grievous got disarmed.
Last time he fought Ventress he toyed her like crazy. She grew in power alot since then though.

Yeah, remember, that time she lost to Anakin only just 4 months after AOTC but by Obsession she is capable of beating Obi-Wan in a fight and that's 31 months after AOTC (just 5 before ROTS).
Grievous defeated Assaj and Durge at the same time, and Dooku was better than Grievous, and that was when he was trying to lecture him and mostly defended. Not going with A>B>C=A>C, but I think it's pretty obvious he is superior to her.

I agree, but by Obsession I don't think she's to far behind Grievous, and in LOE Dooku admits that Grievous is a challenge for him to beat. btw, when was it that Grievous beat both Asajj and Durge 2 on 1?
Maul is good, very cocky though. I'd put him and Assaj on close levels in swordsmanship. These two take up alot of room with their fighting styles and their weapon of choice. I don't belive they would make a good team AT ALL! If Dooku is able to keep up with Anakin and Obi-Wan (which both on their own is better than Maul and Assaj, and as a team they were known as THE jedi duo) I'm sure he would be able to at least keep up with Maul and Assaj....

But without the Force? Surely they could alternate, each atatcking him for 40 second shifts and then swicth until he got tired out, which he would very quickly. In one of the ROTS scripts that Sorgo showed to me once it said that during the duel on the Invisible Hand in ROTS that Dooku and Kenobi were getting tired and Skywalker wasn't, and this is only after less than 2 minutes of fighting.

Well I must say that Nick Gillard hasn't got authority for anything when he is talking about their power level, he is not a source at all, it is his opinion. And the fight on the Invisible hand was going to be very long, they just cut out most of the part. In the novelisation it is much longer...

I would say it is hard for Dooku to win, cause both these are very good swordsmen and there is no force powers allowed. Dooku could win if he outmatches them, and places them in bad positions together, which would force them to have to cooperate, which means they probably couldn't go all out and that shit.

Dooku being attacked by double bladed lightsabers on each side of him? Dooku's gonna die.