Was Hitler...EVIL?

People often describe Hitler as a monster, or as evil, when Der Untergang came out alot of German Reporters asked if it was right for Hitler to be portrayed so humanly.

But, Hitler was a devout supporter of the Survival of the Fittest theory, he believed that the strong had to survive and to do this it involved destroying the weak, and so, the concentration camps where set up and millions where gassed and killed...but

Is the extreme take on, what is effectively Darwinism, actually evil?

To say that Hitler was evil would suggest that he was devoid of Human emotion and soul...but, it is clear if you read the reports of those who knew him that this wasn't the case.

In fact, he did do what HE felt was best for humanity...so he wasn't acting out of malice but HE thought he was doing what was right.

Although he may have been wrong and his beliefs on what is right and wrong where extremely warped, does that actually make him evil?

No, I dont think so.
Hitler, as you said yourself, was a extremely warped individual.
Hitler's idea that the Arian race was superior to all other races is totally warped.

He was just a very confused individual, I dont think he was in essance "evil"

Hitler wasn't evil to Hitler. Or to Eva Braun. It would be interesting if one could see what the world would be like if he had succeeded at a career as an artist.

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
People often describe Hitler as a monster, or as evil, when Der Untergang came out alot of German Reporters asked if it was right for Hitler to be portrayed so humanly.

But, Hitler was a devout supporter of the Survival of the Fittest theory, he believed that the strong had to survive and to do this it involved destroying the weak, and so, the concentration camps where set up and millions where gassed and killed...but

Is the extreme take on, what is effectively Darwinism, actually evil?

To say that Hitler was evil would suggest that he was devoid of Human emotion and soul...but, it is clear if you read the reports of those who knew him that this wasn't the case.

In fact, he did do what HE felt was best for humanity...so he wasn't acting out of malice but HE thought he was doing what was right.

Although he may have been wrong and his beliefs on what is right and wrong where extremely warped, does that actually make him evil?

Bieng evil doesn't mean you don't have human emotion. It is when you act with the intent to harm another knowing that what you are doing is wrong. Thus he is evil. The nazis few perfectly well that what thay were doing was evil. That's why they were ordered to kill all the remaining prisoners open germany loosing the war. It wasn't to eliminate the jews. they knew by then it was a lost cause. It was to hide the evidense. That's also why they destroyed the camps and burned the bodies of the people they had alredy killed and buried. They knew it was wrong, and they did it anyways. how can you think killing jews and gays is survival of the fittest?

Originally posted by Rapscallion
Bieng evil doesn't mean you don't have human emotion. It is when you act with the intent to harm another knowing that what you are doing is wrong.

Hitler didn't think killing the Jews was wrong did he?

Originally posted by Rapscallion
How can you think killing jews and gays is survival of the fittest?

Hitler also killed people with disabilities and people of different effnic origin, besides he often preached about the strong surviving and the wiping out of the weak, it was the foundation of the Areyn Ideal.

He believed that Jews and Homosexuals where counter-german and that their genes where inferior to others.

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
People often describe Hitler as a monster, or as evil, when Der Untergang came out alot of German Reporters asked if it was right for Hitler to be portrayed so humanly.

But, Hitler was a devout supporter of the Survival of the Fittest theory, he believed that the strong had to survive and to do this it involved destroying the weak, and so, the concentration camps where set up and millions where gassed and killed...but

Is the extreme take on, what is effectively Darwinism, actually evil?

To say that Hitler was evil would suggest that he was devoid of Human emotion and soul...but, it is clear if you read the reports of those who knew him that this wasn't the case.

In fact, he did do what HE felt was best for humanity...so he wasn't acting out of malice but HE thought he was doing what was right.

Although he may have been wrong and his beliefs on what is right and wrong where extremely warped, does that actually make him evil?

It was not Darwinism. It was not "survival of the fittest"

It was "survival of who looks the best in my opinion" that Hitler was promoting. The Jews contributed much higher to economy than Germans and Europeans of other religions at the time, and they were doing VERY WELL.

In Fact, Hitler wanted to attend an Art Academy and was rejected due to his failure to paint portraits of people. He felt that the reason he was rejected was because the Jews that were IN CHARGE of that school rejected him.

His acts were out of HATRED....NOT science. He didn't like the Jews, he didn't like the Slavic Races, the Russians, Gypsies, Polish, Blacks, or Homosexuals.....because he was a bigot.

It had NOTHING to do with Darwinism, again. IT was all Superficiality taken to an extreme. HE favored the Aryan Race because they had Blonde Hair, Blue Eyes, and Light Skin. He felt that because of thier beauty they deserved to be the only race of Human Being worthy of continous free existance.

He wanted to Exterminate all races and groups of people that he SIMPLY DISLIKED...not that he felt were too weak to go on. And he disliked them for SUPERFICIAL reasons, not scientific reasons.

In fact, Hitler suffered from Inferiority Complex. He hated the way he looked, he hated his beaty eyes, dark hair, and crooked nose....he also denied the fact that he himself was part Jewish (he had a Jewish Grandmother)

There is so much you seem not to know about Adolf Hitler....for you to claim that he was just trying to promote Darwinism is ABSURD and shows how much education on the subject you lack.

What an idiotic and unsupported claim..... 🙄

Originally posted by The thinker
No, I dont think so.
Hitler, as you said yourself, was a extremely warped individual.
Hitler's idea that the Arian race was superior to all other races is totally warped.

He was just a very confused individual, I dont think he was in essance "evil"

If Adolf Hitler wasn't evil, than NO ONE is Evil. To say that he was a "confused individual" is a fkn cop-out and can be applied to ALL people who do evil things.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
It was not Darwinism. It was not "survival of the fittest"

It was "survival of who looks the best in my opinion" that Hitler was promoting. The Jews contributed much higher to economy than Germans and Europeans of other religions at the time, and they were doing VERY WELL.

In Fact, Hitler wanted to attend an Art Academy and was rejected due to his failure to paint portraits of people. He felt that the reason he was rejected was because the Jews that were IN CHARGE of that school rejected him.

His acts were out of HATRED....NOT science. He didn't like the Jews, he didn't like the Slavic Races, the Russians, Gypsies, Polish, Blacks, or Homosexuals.....because he was a bigot.

It had NOTHING to do with Darwinism, again. IT was all [b]Superficiality taken to an extreme. HE favored the Aryan Race because they had Blonde Hair, Blue Eyes, and Light Skin. He felt that because of thier beauty they deserved to be the only race of Human Being worthy of continous free existance.

He wanted to Exterminate all races and groups of people that he SIMPLY DISLIKED...not that he felt were too weak to go on. And he disliked them for SUPERFICIAL reasons, not scientific reasons.

In fact, Hitler suffered from Inferiority Complex. He hated the way he looked, he hated his beaty eyes, dark hair, and crooked nose....he also denied the fact that he himself was part Jewish (he had a Jewish Grandmother)

There is so much you seem not to know about Adolf Hitler....for you to claim that he was just trying to promote Darwinism is ABSURD and shows how much education on the subject you lack.

What an idiotic and unsupported claim..... 🙄 [/B]

Social Darwinism

Ernst Haeckel, introduced Darwinism into Germany and formulated a racist social policy for the Nazis.
Indeed, a heavy Darwinist influence can be seen in all the Nazi ideologues. When this theory, which was given form by Hitler and Alfred Rosenburg is examined, one sees concepts such as 'natural selection,' 'selective mating,' and 'the struggle for survival between the races,' which are repeated dozens of times in Darwin's The Origin of Species. The name of Hitler's book Mein Kampf was inspired by Darwin's principle that life was a constant struggle for survival, and those who emerged victorious survived. In the book Hitler talked of the struggle between the races.
Hitler got the idea of the necessity of a perpetual war and conflict among human races from the theories of Darwin.

Hitler's view was in fact influenced by Darwinism

Originally posted by The thinker
Social Darwinism

Ernst Haeckel, introduced Darwinism into Germany and formulated a racist social policy for the Nazis.
Indeed, a heavy Darwinist influence can be seen in all the Nazi ideologues. When this theory, which was given form by Hitler and Alfred Rosenburg is examined, one sees concepts such as 'natural selection,' 'selective mating,' and 'the struggle for survival between the races,' which are repeated dozens of times in Darwin's The Origin of Species. The name of Hitler's book Mein Kampf was inspired by Darwin's principle that life was a constant struggle for survival, and those who emerged victorious survived. In the book Hitler talked of the struggle between the races.
Hitler got the idea of the necessity of a perpetual war and conflict among human races from the theories of Darwin.

Hitler's view was in fact influenced by Darwinism

Influenced, but unlike what the thread opener said, he was not thinking of only darwinism.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
If Adolf Hitler wasn't evil, than [b]NO ONE is Evil. To say that he was a "confused individual" is a fkn cop-out and can be applied to ALL people who do evil things. [/B]

"Evil" is a totally relative concept.
This "evil" argument is philosophical agument.

He was just misunderstood

Originally posted by The thinker
Social Darwinism

Ernst Haeckel, introduced Darwinism into Germany and formulated a racist social policy for the Nazis.
Indeed, a heavy Darwinist influence can be seen in all the Nazi ideologues. When this theory, which was given form by Hitler and Alfred Rosenburg is examined, one sees concepts such as 'natural selection,' 'selective mating,' and 'the struggle for survival between the races,' which are repeated dozens of times in Darwin's The Origin of Species. The name of Hitler's book Mein Kampf was inspired by Darwin's principle that life was a constant struggle for survival, and those who emerged victorious survived. In the book Hitler talked of the struggle between the races.
Hitler got the idea of the necessity of a perpetual war and conflict among human races from the theories of Darwin.

Hitler's view was in fact influenced by Darwinism

The Concentration camp idea was justified to himself by the ideals of Darwinism.

HE always hated Jews and the like, and with or without Darwinism, once he gained power he would have killed and tortured the same people any way.

HE was evil. Get over it. 🙄

Originally posted by KidRock
He was just misunderstood

I take it your a member of the KKK

Survival of the fittest? Thats crazy he was a racist and had the power to kill those he thought of as lesser humans. He did a lot of evil things which makes him evil in my opinion.

He was not evil. Evil is a point of view.

Originally posted by Flamboyant4Life
He was not evil. Evil is a point of view.

So torturing and killing millions of people is good ? 🙄

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
So torturing and killing millions of people is good ? 🙄

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
It was not Darwinism. It was not "survival of the fittest"

It was "survival of who looks the best in my opinion" that Hitler was promoting. The Jews contributed much higher to economy than Germans and Europeans of other religions at the time, and they were doing VERY WELL.

In Fact, Hitler wanted to attend an Art Academy and was rejected due to his failure to paint portraits of people. He felt that the reason he was rejected was because the Jews that were IN CHARGE of that school rejected him.

His acts were out of HATRED....NOT science. He didn't like the Jews, he didn't like the Slavic Races, the Russians, Gypsies, Polish, Blacks, or Homosexuals.....because he was a bigot.

It had NOTHING to do with Darwinism, again. IT was all [b]Superficiality taken to an extreme. HE favored the Aryan Race because they had Blonde Hair, Blue Eyes, and Light Skin. He felt that because of thier beauty they deserved to be the only race of Human Being worthy of continous free existance.

He wanted to Exterminate all races and groups of people that he SIMPLY DISLIKED...not that he felt were too weak to go on. And he disliked them for SUPERFICIAL reasons, not scientific reasons.

In fact, Hitler suffered from Inferiority Complex. He hated the way he looked, he hated his beaty eyes, dark hair, and crooked nose....he also denied the fact that he himself was part Jewish (he had a Jewish Grandmother)

There is so much you seem not to know about Adolf Hitler....for you to claim that he was just trying to promote Darwinism is ABSURD and shows how much education on the subject you lack.

What an idiotic and unsupported claim..... 🙄 [/B]

Hitler's entire Ideal was based on the ideal's of Darwinism, he was just very very extreme, if you listen to what Hitler actually said he would talk about the Strong wiping out the weak, he told Aryn people that the could not have children with those of lesser races.

He deemed that Slavs, Russians, black people, homosexuals, Gypsies and Jews were people descended of lesser beings, thus subhuman.

He DID NOT have a Jewish grandmother, the CIA created a file on Hitler and that was not included as a fact but a rumour, more like Anti-Hitler propaganda.

As for being rejected from Art School, yes he was, but did he blame the Jews for this? Possible, but unlikely, there are rumours theories as to why Hitler hated Jews, but it is most likely that they where an alienated part of society who, as had been for centuries, where the subject of discrimination even post WWI Germany, people then where still preaching anti-jewish propaganda, Hitler clearly believed what he heard and found the jews the perfect scapegoat for his failings.

But I assure you he didn't have a Jewish grandmother, what a silly thing to say.

I really fail to see how genocide falls into the theory of natural selection..

Hitler could though, thats the point, he saw what he did as being "loyal to nature"

Hitler was evil, depending on a certain perspective. To actually study the man (and I have for many years. As any one who knows me can atest, I have a certain fascination with the man) But to call the man evil is to apply certain personality traits to any human being in a categorical fashion. It is unfortunate that that is how most people think.

Some people say the abuse he suffered at the hands of his father was the reason for his actions...that he spent the rest of his life acting out his resentment towards his father on a grand, global scale. Then there are intimate stories about the man himself. He was a vegitarian because he was against cruelty to animals. The stories recited by his sister about he and his friends playing cowboys and indians as children. He loved his mother deeply, because she treated him with respect and equality while his father abused him.

So, in one aspect you could say he was a mommas boy with a resentment of his abusive father who had a dominate personality. But that really simplifies his actions and doesn't pay them the merrit they deserve.

The true evil in his personality was his apathy. And oddly enough, this mans apathy came from his passion. His passion for power and the advancement of his ideas for a perfect society. And that apathy resulted in the extermination of six million jews, millions of others in the camps, the death of 20 million German soldiers, 20 million Russian soldiers, hundreds of thousands of American soldiers and millions, I'm sure, of other combined allied forces. Not to mention freedom of thought in that "perfect" society.