Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Then tell History Channel to take that back ! 😆
Ahh, I see, the History Channel may have had a documentary which commented on the rumour that Hitler's grandmother was Jewish, but I can guarantee that it didn't state it as a fact...I suggest you really really pay attention...
Re: Re: Re: Was Hitler...EVIL?
Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
Hitler didn't think killing the Jews was wrong did he?Hitler also killed people with disabilities and people of different effnic origin, besides he often preached about the strong surviving and the wiping out of the weak, it was the foundation of the Areyn Ideal.
He believed that Jews and Homosexuals where counter-german and that their genes where inferior to others.
oh my bad! i had forgotten he had killed people with disabilities. in that case he's a good guy. he was just cleansing the population. my apologies.
i can't believe we are seriously debating whether or not social darwinism is bad.
oh and yeah his grandmother was jewish
Yes, Hitler was evil. As is said, actions speak louder than words, and he was responsible for the deaths of millions, deaths brought about out of pure hatred and nothing more.
This doesn't mean that he wasn't human, who says one can't be evil and still hold on to some shreds of humanity? The guy liked his dog, he was proud of his nazi children, does this mean he isn't evil? Of course not. He's still responsible for the greatest evil the earth has ever seen, the fact that he thought he was doing something good just shows that he was crazy as well as evil.
I don't quite follow the reasoning that he was following darwinism, survival of the fittest or natural selection in any way. There was nothing natural about the way he selected who lived and who died. Survival of the fittest is dependant on nature deciding who lives and who dies, the weak die naturally because they can't live in the world, it's not decided by some bloodthirsty villain who's choosing it based on the way a person looks/sounds/thinks.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Was Hitler...EVIL?
Originally posted by Rapscallion
oh and yeah his grandmother was jewish
The truth of the matter is that no one knows. Not his sibling, and no one in the Nazi party could definitively answer this charge. And the records about his family that existed in his home town were lost during the war because he ordered the town used for target practice. The city was leveled...graveyards and tombstones, city hall, houses, hospitals, churches, dentist offices, the civil office at which his father worked. Everything.
Originally posted by ~Flamboyant~
Yes, from the perspective of Hitler and the Nazis.
C'mon guys, this argument is just...well, daft!
If Hitler and the actions of the Nazis killing 6 million Jews, and millions of others, were NOT evil, then what on earth is?
I fully appreciate the argument that 'history is written by the victors', and that in the vast majority of wars 'evil' things have been committed on both sides, but the sheer scale of the terror afflicted to so many people by Nazi Germany makes it the very definition of evil! In fact, the only thing MORE evil in the history of mankind was Stalin, who managed to kill 20 million people.
Originally posted by MithlondAn action doesn't necessarily need to be anything though, it simply is.
If Hitler and the actions of the Nazis killing 6 million Jews, and millions of others, were NOT evil, then what on earth is?
Evil is a condition applied by an individual to what displeases said individual.
I can believe Hitler, Pol Pot and Barney the Dinosaur evil, but neither I, nor anyone else here, is a universal moral authority.
Err... that's because they were evil; or at the very least, brainwashed by evil.From their opinion it was good. From our opinion it was bad.
If Hitler and the actions of the Nazis killing 6 million Jews, and millions of others, were NOT evil, then what on earth is?Nothing really. Depends on what the person feels evil is. To you, what they did was evil. To them it wasn't. Who are you to say that your opinion is right?
hitler had a choice on what to do with his life
he chose actroctites which can only be described as evil or wrong.
what he did was plain wrong.
who can say if he changed in the last moments of life if he repented and prayed for forgivenesses.
the ultimate decision on wether he ended up evil is god.
however i can say for sure that a great many of his actions were evil.
Originally posted by ~Flamboyant~
From their opinion it was good. From our opinion it was bad.Nothing really. Depends on what the person feels evil is. To you, what they did was evil. To them it wasn't. Who are you to say that your opinion is right?
It's called common sense, kid. And it's supported by every basic law of human decency and accepted morality. The fact that Hitler believed killing millions of people out of hate was RIGHT just shows how skewered and ultimately evil his thought process was.
If you want to argue that Hitlier is not evil based purely on point of view then the world you are living in is entirely without morality or any possibility of value.
By any reasonable or useful definition of the word evil, Hitler was it.
Let the total relatavists cry that there is no such thing, but an ounce of common sense says otherwise.
Originally posted by Ushgarak
If you want to argue that Hitlier is not evil based purely on point of view then the world you are living in is entirely without morality or any possibility of value.By any reasonable or useful definition of the word evil, Hitler was it.
Let the total relatavists cry that there is no such thing, but an ounce of common sense says otherwise.
Not really.
Originally posted by Bardock42
Not really.
I think only a Sociapath truly beleives that what Hitler did was not evil. Whether evil is a social construct, or a true existance, by definition, Hitler is infact evil.
No doubt about it....doesn't care why he did it, doesn't care who says what...doesnt matter if morality exists or not....if anyone is Evil, Hitler is it. ✅