What the hell do muslims get.....

Started by BuzzKiller4 pages

Originally posted by Storm
A growing number of psychologists and political scientists would be finding that military occupation, alienation and perceptions of general political oppression, not the rantings of radical clerics or the indoctrination of students in madrassas, fuel extreme violence in the Muslim world.
People become terrorists through social networks and emotional bonds, not because of religious devotion or indoctrination. Religious belief may help sustain terrorists' commitment to the jihad, but it is not what causes them to join in the first place. Terrorism is seen as a form of empowerment. For people who feel dispossessed or politically oppressed, participating in terrorist activities is a way of finding empowerment in a situation where people perceive no other choice exists. This is Nichole Argo' s interpretation of the scholars she surveyed (a freelance journalist and doctoral student in political science at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology).

This research is clearly controversial and at odds with the common interpretation advanced by governments and the news media.

while religion may not be why the young men who are perpetrating the terrorist acts join the cause it is as you put it the sustaining factor in remaining active in the terrorist world. so the question then becomes, what allows these young men to be able to finish the job so to speak. is it the empowerment for the people they will leave behind, the freedom they will attain for their family. both of these are possibilities and i am sure that the reasons vary with each individual. or could the reason for following through be that you are guaranteed salvation and honor for eternity. the religious aspect may not be what brings them to the table but it is almost asuredly what causes them to stay and eat. the message given by these CLERICS is that you can not separate the two. it is inherently a religious and political question. of course occupation breeds terrorism that is not a new concept, read a history book and you will find that to be the case regardless of religion caste or creed. however, what does make this different is that it is done in the name of god. that is a fact that can not be overlooked. the reason for the terrorism is that the islam that is being preached to these impressionable young men is that martyrdom is admired and adored. martyrdom is something to aspire to. you can not say that mere social attachments is enough to cause a person to commit suicide and take other people with them. it takes something rather personal, intrinsic, and extremely important to a person to commit such an act. for these indoctrinated young men it is their idea of islam and what god wants them to do.

which brings me to another question. a man in america kills several abortion doctors because he says it is the work of god and that god wants him to do it and he will be rewarded for it. why is it we condemn that man without a second thought, without looking for the social group that has caused this innocent man to err in his judgement. we condemn him. however we try to alleviate at least some of the responsibility these young men possess simply because we may not like the policy of the u.s. government. this seems contradictory to me. either they are both guilty and should be hunted down and punished (my favorite) or we alleviate both groups guilt and say that societal pressures and affiliations made them do it. either way we can't have it both ways.

i know that i have touched on an issue in abortion that is sensitive. just for the record it seemed to be the most appropriate to make my point. i am pro-abortion just for those that may think otherwise. a doctor trained in the u.s. with experience is better than a doc in south america or lain america or the carribean as it was done until roe v wade.

Originally posted by BuzzKiller
which brings me to another question. a man in america kills several abortion doctors because he says it is the work of god and that god wants him to do it and he will be rewarded for it. why is it we condemn that man without a second thought, without looking for the social group that has caused this innocent man to err in his judgement.

Becuase many poeple have problems actually addressing the problem. Its easier to blame it on the individual, than to address a failure of society.

i see it as an american phenomenon. we tend to want to blame ourselves for all of the bad in the world. just because yes we have a lot of influence in the world at this moment. but we are by no means the most powerful country in history. those countries never blamed themselves, they were the cure. we are the first world powerto see oureslves as a problem while we are in power. it is truly unique. this is why we do what i stated above. because we are a self loathing country that flexes its muscle then feels bad about it afterward.

well...we havent felt bad enough to stop doing it.


A growing number of psychologists and political scientists would be finding that military occupation, alienation and perceptions of general political oppression, not the rantings of radical clerics or the indoctrination of students in madrassas, fuel extreme violence in the Muslim world.
People become terrorists through social networks and emotional bonds, not because of religious devotion or indoctrination. Religious belief may help sustain terrorists' commitment to the jihad, but it is not what causes them to join in the first place. Terrorism is seen as a form of empowerment. For people who feel dispossessed or politically oppressed, participating in terrorist activities is a way of finding empowerment in a situation where people perceive no other choice exists. This is Nichole Argo' s interpretation of the scholars she surveyed (a freelance journalist and doctoral student in political science at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology).

Parts italicized to remind people that the above ain't gospel.

Practically nothing is gospel...thats why "gosepels" suck.

However it is logical and also the mecahnism I would ascribe to the situation.

Originally posted by Alliance
Practically nothing is gospel...

Does that include this...
However it is logical and also the mecahnism I would ascribe to the situation.

Re: Re: What the hell do muslims get.....

Originally posted by Alliance

Not true. Most soldiers didnt survive war and they spent several years away from their homes. Islamic terrorists who commit suicide are sacrificign their physical life for their spiritual one. Lie or not...its not to them. Thats what matters.

Ah, but it is true, whether they died or not, most real soldiers want to go on living.

As far as the suicide bombers "spiritual reward", it matter only as far as they believe it, if we can convince them that their going to hell instead, it will cause many less headaches.

Re: Re: Re: What the hell do muslims get.....

Originally posted by docb77
Ah, but it is true, whether they died or not, most real soldiers want to go on living.

As far as the suicide bombers "spiritual reward", it matter only as far as they believe it, if we can convince them that their going to hell instead, it will cause many less headaches.

Meh, but then they could tried to do the same to the religious people who oppose them. And you have to ask yourself - could a suicide bomber convince you to that you were going to hell if you don't join them? No? The it is unlikely a lot of the fanatical ones could be convinced they are going to hell. That's the thing with spiritual rewards - there is no way to prove or disprove them, so it all comes down to ones sides word against the others.

Originally posted by grey fox
...when they blow themselves up. Quite a crude way of saying it , but the fanatical sects of the Muslim community are obviously stripping themselves of their earthly bodies for some sort of divine gift.

So pony up my friends , what in the name of Ra is it hmmm ?

That's the point isn't it? Wat causes them 2 end their life in such a brutal way that their remains r swept into dustbins n not buried in their graves in a peaceful manner? To b honest,it's U!

Their demands hav always bin bring back the brit soldiers 4m Iraq n so n so,but they never did.Instead nore brutal n disturbin visuals of brits beatin innocent Iraqi teenagers 2 death came.It all angers them.Though I m not defendin them n their deeds so plz don't waste ur time sayin that I m 😛
When the jews kill 600 Labanese 4 2 soldiers n destroy the whole country,with america n britain standin back n watchin it all silently,they r angered that they didn't do anythin when they cud 2 prevent it all.N some organizations then use these ppl with anger n agony 2 do their biddin tellin them that they wud get Heaven in reward.
Sadly,that's how it all is.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
72 virgins is the reward.

Suiciders get Hell,silly. 😛

they blow them selves up because they are brainwashed and ignorant

Then they go out and celebrate......Hmmm wonder what kind of beer they have there??

Likely tha same beer they have everywhere else.

Budweiser??

Originally posted by debbiejo
Budweiser??

Yuck! 😘

Alcohol 👇

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
72 virgins is the reward.

exactly. it is glorious to them.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
exactly. it is glorious to them.
But 72 virgins for all eternity isn't really a great deal......That would get old.

I'm sure, since its "god," he could fix that issue.

Yet Gods word changes not...... 📖 😇