Abraxas vs the Phoenix force

On The Bownig down to LT scan....

let me break it down for you.

Scan 1:
Here Eternity is explaining to Jean how the Universe works and how it has lead to us....Already proved this many times over...Phoenix is the SPARK that ignites the natural Big Bang of a Universe, which ends life and begins life in said Universe.

Phoenix is NOT the Big Bang and the scan clearly tells us the Celestials SEEDED the Universe with Creation and the Celestial were created by Eternity.

Scan 2:
Ok, here Eternity says, "like Galactus was the sole survivor...so shall Humanity Begin the End, End the Beginning."

NOTHING about Phoenix.

"Oblivion will embrace all...creation will Renew itself"...(no need for Phoenix)
"And therein lies the Stranger's conceit"...

Ok, I'm sure you see now that Stranger wants to be able to do..what Humans will be able to do one day.(Which is WHY they are BOWING to HIM in the scan...because one day WE(Humans)will NOT need Abstracts or even LT...they will be as NOTHING to US(Humans).

"He plans to spark Humanity's Evolution Now...to Engulf the cosmos."

How does he PLAN to do that?....You said it was with the Phoenix Force Power.

But I think not.

Scan 3 & 4:
The Stranger was going to use 5(FIVE)individuals to accomplish his "Spark in Humanity's Evolution Now...to Engulf the cosmos"

Marko, Jean, Iceman, Toad, Mystique.

More Proof it was FIVE individuals the Stranger was going to use to "Spark in Humanity's Evolution Now...to Engulf the cosmos"...NOT Phoenix...NOT PHOENIX AT ALL....Jean didn't even have the Phoenix Force during this time.

"To pluck FIVE representative Earthlings to SERVE as his Evolutionary Vanguards"

notworthy------------------>nono

I'm going to keep Your scans along with your posts.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Here you have Phoenix being reborn every cycle as the Big Bang which created 616:http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=2186583

NOT as the Big Bang....From the Big Bang, like ALL other Abstracts.

"This is HOW I came into BEING"

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
the initiator of creation cycles
http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=2620553

According to this scan, She is the SPARK that IGNITES the Big Bang,
it does say Her Fire does the consuming.

Her SPARK IGNITES Creation, She does NOT do the Creating.

I have always said this...Of ONE Universe ONLY though.

These are your scans.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
As the narrator says the power that births the cosmos
http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=2933751

Again, "the SPARK that brought the cosmos into being"...NOT the CREATOR.

"The Fire that would ultimately consume it"...

Phoenix's Fire is the SAME Fire that is used to End a Universe at the end of it's cycle.
But Phoenix if NOT the Big Bang.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
As per Reeds comments :
http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=2186595

I respect anything that comes out of Reed's mouth.

Had he been more Assertive I'd give this one, but he WANS'T.

"Call it the Big Bang, or the Phoenix Force, or What Have You"

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
As per this handful of cosmics comments pertaining to it being the life force of reality:
http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=2186615

"life force of reality"?

Don't add Your own Text to the Scan please.

Phoenix is ONE of the Primal Forces"

"There is a Natural Order to Her being, as to yours and ALL Creation"

"life force of reality"?

So how the heck is Galactus going to STILL be around, IF Phoenix were to DIE?...AND Death ?...who invites Galactus to it's Realm.

"Can even you Endure such Desolation"? Who knows....BUT He WILL Endure.

Life in a Universe would be affected by Phoenix's absence of being, BUT NOT Abstracts.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Again the life force of reality:
http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=2186630
http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=2183052

"Again"?

When have you shown this a first time?

Kubik clearly says, She's the sustenance of the Stars, NOT Reality.

"AND yet, the Phoenix merely SERVES EVOLUTION itself"

The second scan says Life comes from the Stars (I guess that was your connection)
Life, on a miniscule scale yes. (Humans, Mortals ect.)

But Abstracts, Cosmics and Many Many others Do NOT need the Stars to survive.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
And yet while its the life force of reality, the very Big Bang, its simultaneously a consciousness beyond time and space
http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=3034782

Actually ONLY the Force in it's NATURAL STATE is Beyond Space and Time.

AN honest mis-iterpretation I'm sure.

Continues...

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
An entity considered by other cosmics to be the craftsman of reality:
http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=2956578
Her "handiwork"

"Craftsman of reality"?

Death actually Equates itself to Phoenix, what are you talking about?

"She is the embodiment of Life itself EMBODIED by Passion...As I REPRESENT Order and Structure and Entropy" (Their BOTH Abstracts)

From X-Men #154

A Bacteria called Sublime, took over Hank's (Beast) mind, and a portion of Phoenix's power

Here Sublime thinks he will control creation with Phoenix's power and his own.

But actually Phoenix was disinfecting the Bacteria while Sublime was killing other X-Men

Here Phoenix extracts Sublime from Hank's body

Phoenix SAYS, "SURGERY COMPLETE"

Here Phoenix says, "Some KIND of Bacteria Colony gone rogue...I had to Amputate the whole Future"

Jean is told, "Phoenix DISINFECTION Successful"

Jean then asks, "Now What"?

Ok,

We know that by Phoenix cutting off the Future, the Infection, which was Sublime, was destroyed, but the EVENTS that took place, have NOT been changed.

And NOW, Phoenix is asking what's next? Or more specifically, "Now What"?

It tells Jean, "This is Now" (yellow energy in her hands)

Phoenix asks, "Is this the Future"?

It tells her, "You lost concentration, Shock almost killed it" (the Future)

It continues to say, "Patient will die unless internal heart damage repaired"

The "Patient" is the FUTURE still at this point apparently.

Which is why Phoenix says, "But it didn't have to END like that, my Friends didn't deserve that." (some even died), the ONLY thing that has ENDED is the Future since Phoenix Amputated it.

It then says, "No, Turn around, No End yet, there, Turn, Here before always, HOSPITAL White Hot (It's a hospital for Universes)

This is ACTUALLY the process taking place of a FUTURE being Repaired, because it HAS NO Future since Phoenix Amputated it.

Jean loses concentration and she is reminded to "Now heal wound MAKE Better FUTURE"

"Heart got stuck", (Because she Wasn't concentrating) Turn (some kinda White Hot Room code word for, "keep on fixing"😉

Now after that, we end up with this.

It tells Jean, "Telekinetic control of all those Atoms at once isn't as easy as it sounds in training, NOT even for a White Phoenix of the Crown..."

"Telekinetic control of all those Atoms"?... of WHAT Atoms?

The ONLY action I've seen, is A Future being repaired.

It's actually talking about the FUTURE that was just repaired.

This leads to this, and as you can read, has nothing to do with the former.

It tells Jean, "It lost it's parents when Unity broke out across the Megasystems"

Phoenix is CLUELESS as to WHAT this is, or WHAT to do with it.

Jean says, "Did I have to FIX something that was dying? What is it?"

It tells her, "A badly wounded Orphan Universe...Phoenix work"

What the hell does that mean?....Jean Grey is just as LOST as I am.
"But...but WHAT's that supposed to mean?

It TELLS Phoenix WHAT that means,
"That Henry's heart's broken, that Scott succumbs to loneliness", ect..ect..

It's just telling Jean the outcome of "Here Comers Tomorrow", the Future that is Now, this is WHY it's a "badly wounded Orphan Universe" due to "Phoenix Work"

THAT'S WHAT that meant ALL this time? hysterical2

I thought it was an injured Universe she repaired atom by atom, but EVIDENTLY NOT.

Continues...

So now I understand why this joker says, "if you want IT to GROW a New FUTURE to replace the one you cut away"

He also says, "And they said I was to tell you to HURRY"

Implying she can't do this AT WILL, but with in a TIME LIMIT.

He also says, "If it was me, I'd let it DIE"

I was fooled into believing he was talking about the Orphan Universe", but in fact he's talking about the Future Phoenix wants to replace it with.

So Phoenix decides to give it a different Future, so that Henry's heart won't be broken, and Scott does not succumb to loneliness", ect..ect..

"Live Scott"

Now how did she do that?...How did Phoenix ALTER the Future?

Did she snap her fingers and it happened?...NO

Did she think it and it happened?...NO

Did she speak it into happening?...NO

She actually went to the past and forced Scott to be with Emma


In order to prevent the events of "Here comes tomorrow"

A little Mind control, some Time travel, and you can Alter the Future too.

No more Phoenix reforming Universes in the hand claims. Thank you.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
The energy was already there but Phoenix linked it together and formed a constant stable flow of it throughout the multiverse. Hence my statement that Phoenix created an energy matrix that flows around the multiverse

"Phoenix created an energy matrix that flows around the multiverse".....This is not true

Observe everyone:

This is before the Phoenix even came into the picture:

It clearly says 'when a series of interfaces across the Multiverse were aligned, the localized energy fields merged..to Create an Energy Matrix.'

The Energy fields merge ON THEIR OWN...and the Interfaces across the Mulitverse align BY THEMSELVES...

AT the MOMENT of ALIGNMENT, THEN Feron called Phoenix to project the Tower", a less than monumental feat...considering it was the Energy Matrix (ON IT"S OWN) that allows simultaneous existence in the Multiverse when the Interfaces Across are Aligned, Which Also happens ON it's OWN.....

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
prior to Phoenix's involvement there was just ambient energy which aligned periodically. Phoenixes feat resulted in a permanently linked energy matrix which flows through the multiverse

What REALLY happened was this:

While Necrom and Feron had fought, MERLYN had JUMPED INTO the Energy Matrix...

He was swept across the Multiverse and was finally able to control the Energy Matrix and created Otherworld.
At Otherworld Merlyn, along with his daughter Roma, over-looked the Multiverse.

MERLYN repaired the Energy Matrix which now has a permanent flow.....NOT Phoenix.

Originally posted by Galactic Storm
Phoenix Force enabled Eternity to preserve Galactus.

Not on panel.

I'll give you both accounts that have been depicted ON PANEL.
If you can find me just ONE comic where this is drawn, I'll agree with you, but since I know your basing this idea on bios or handbooks I know you can't.

Tell me where if anywhere does it mention Phoenix supposedly "enabling Galen to incubate in the Cosmic Egg"....how about even JUST Saving Galactus...This is the SECOND time they depicted Galactus's Origin On Panel.

And this is the ORIGINAL depiction of Galactus's ORIGIN.

See anything different?

Yea me neither.

Look hard...and realize Phoenix is NOT even mentioned during the Galactus history lesson.

Originally posted by Galactic Storm
M'Kryann crystal, Mulitversal power and one of the greatest power in Multiverse.

Multiversal? Again, NOT On Panel WHEN Phoenix Repaired it.

"An explosion that scatters stellar mass out across a NEW Virgin Universe"
Exactly A UNIVERSE...but NOT a Multiverse.

On Panel it's a Universal threat...

This is a more recent acknowledgment of the Mkraan's capacity.

Besides the FACT that Phoenix has ALWAYS needed X-Men to help her do the job, but let's just overlook this....lol.

Originally posted by Galactic Storm
the Crystal can wipe out the multiverse in one wave

Actually your exaggerating again and making the Crystal more than it is.

It's more of a "chain reaction effect" just like the Chaos Wave...only NOT as destructive as the Chaos Wave..

In Jean's vision of what COULD happen...it begins with Stars and Planets being pulled from their orbits

"Many Worlds and Many lives will be snuffed out in the twinkling of an eye"
Not exactly the Universe let alone the Multiverse.

"Solar Systems, Clusters, Galaxies, Mega-Galaxies...all plunge helplessly down the gravity well of the Neutron Galaxy"
Not exactly a Universe let alone the Multiverse.

THEN...their mass adding to it's gravity, gravity attracting more mass...UNTIL reality itself BEGINS to tear apart.

It will go from Solar Systems to Mega-Galaxies before reality BEGINS to tear.

And yet the bottom line is...that it will only INVOLVE a Single Universe.
"An explosion that scatters stellar mass out across a NEW Virgin Universe"
Exactly A UNIVERSE...but NOT a Multiverse.

My bad on the double post.

Thought the first one didn't go through.

editted first post u pointed out ur mistake

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Abraxas killed several alternate universes Galactuses OFF panel. We do not know the circumstances behind these killings, we dont know whether he did it on his own with his own power,

Your style is no doubt pathetic...but this...this is, on a new level.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
All we have been told is that he was Galactus level therefore it is completely understandable that under the right conditions he could kill a Galactus.

By a freakin BULLETIN on the OFF PANEL pages of a Comic book. hysterical

What's happened to you?

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Let me emphasis right conditions. It was Galactus' power after all that kept Abraxas in check.

Dude, do some research on Abraxas on your own, stop relying on bios, their killing your debating skills.

Abraxas is the embodiment of Destruction, in the Multi-verse.

Roma explained this clearly.

Here Roma is letting them know, Understanding the Universe isn't easy already, so imagine Roma, who tends to Eternity (the Multi-verse),

Roma is the Multi-versal Guardian.

She said "for every act of Creation, there is one of Destruction"

"Within the CORE of Eternity another Being grew"

Eternity (the Multi-verse), created a Galactus in EVERY Universe as a Balance to keep Abraxas in check.

NOT with Galactus's Power, but with Galactus's EXISTENCE...

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
How so? Abraxas was a Galactus level entity as stated on page 24 of Fantastic Four v3 issue 46 by Marvel.

I'm sorry, but this is Pathetic.

This is a BULLETIN on the back of a Comic Book.

😆

Actually Galactus isn't that strong, If you read Anihillation #1 Anihilis' servants defeat him soundly and leave him broken and beaten.

"Galactus has fallen" Anilhillation #1

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
How so? Abraxas was a Galactus level

He never performed any feats beyond that level on panel so anyone claiming otherwise is completely unjustified in doing so.

Galactus NEVER defeated Abraxas, Galactus was MURDERED by Abraxas time and time again.

"As I Killed your other elves throughout the Multi-verse"

ONLY the Ultimate Nullifier (by DESTROYING and REMAKING the MULTI-VERSE) was ABLE to banish Abraxas.

Ok.

Here are many Galactuses equal to Abraxas

oops...Uhh, sorry, That's the scan of Abraxas, after KILLING a bunch of Galactuses.

Perhaps this Galactus is at Abraxas's level

I think not...

That's the Thing getting BLOWN away by Abraxas as if he were pollen.

Here's Galactus performing Feats beyond his power.

dag I did it again...Actually that's Reed and every other Reed in the Multi-verse DYING from a GESTURE made by Abraxas.

ONLY the UN can banish Abraxas so...

Abraxas only wanted the UN, so that No One in the "COMBINED UNIVERSES" could stop him.

Abraxas Killed the Guardian of the MULTI-VERSE, with a kiss.

Abraxas's very existence causes Reality to fall apart

Casually he floats by and existence crumbles.

Continues...

Abraxas was collapsing the MULTI-VERSE.

Yet you somehow Believe he's on Galactus's level because of a BULLETIN on the back of a Comic book...lol...still can't get over that one.

Here Reed says "our Earth is merging with other Alternates"...how can this be...unless the entire Multiverse is misaligned.

Here Nova says "creatures of the MULTIVERSE Mixing --- Reality folding onto itself" again this Multiversal misalignment is literally ripping the Multiverse apart.

Abraxas had the Ultimate Nullifier, Galactus took it from him...NOT by Force...by simply willing it....

Because the Ultimate Nullifier is an ASPECT of Galactus

And so Galactus has more control over the UN than anyone.

Then Nova rips through Galactus's ear and Galactus drops the UN into Reed's hands.

Because Abraxas was collapsing the MULTI-VERSE, the only way to banish Abraxas and UNDO the Mis-alignement ACROSS the Multi-verse, was to DESTROY and REMAKE the a Multi-verse.

Reed, "In order to REALIGN ALL that is...we had to END ALL that was.

What was MISALIGNED?

The MULTI-VERSE!

How did Reed REALIGN ALL that is? (the Multi-verse)

Reed uses the Ultimate Nullifier to banish Abraxas & Remake the Multiverse

UN Destroys the Multiverse

UN Remakes the Multiverse in an instant

Continues...

Can the Ultimate Nullifier do such a thing?

According to Reed Richards...YES.

Nuff said.

Hey I'm not arguing with you. I'm just saying Galactus isn't as powerfull as you all seem to think he is if a couple of Anihilis' goons can beat him into submission then hes not as powerfull.

(And Galactus WAS at full power by the way)

Originally posted by David_Richards
Hey I'm not arguing with you.

What are you talking about? I haven't responded to one of your posts.

I'm replying to someone else, you must not be reading them or else you'd know.

Originally posted by David_Richards
I'm just saying Galactus isn't as powerfull as you all seem to think he is if a couple of Anihilis' goons can beat him into submission then hes not as powerfull.

As far as this is concerned,

Those "goons" from Annihilation are:

Aegis

and

Tenebrous

and

BOTH Equal Galactus in Power.

They Jumped Galactus at the SAME time, that's why they won.

Originally posted by David_Richards
(And Galactus WAS at full power by the way)

You don't know what your talking about.

Galactus at full power = Eternity.

Mr. Master once again proving his point so well.

The comic expressly states that they are both equal to big G. Explain to me why it is bad for him to lose to them? He also wasn't at full power. I mean yet he probably fed after SS took out to wave (he went to look for a planet) but he wasn't full power.

This thread is starting to anger me.

Originally posted by Stupid Rookie
Mr. Master once again proving his point so well.

😎

Originally posted by Stupid Rookie
He also wasn't at full power. I mean yet he probably fed after SS took out to wave (he went to look for a planet) but he wasn't full power.

Your absolutely right, let me show him Big G Full.

This is a depiction of a Full powered Galactus, when Doom took his Full power the Energy stores in his Ship.

It made Doom one with the Universe.

Doom became Galactus at FULL POWER!

"Perhaps the greatest Energy Source in the Universe"

This is Dr. Doom....after Absorbing Galactus's power...and Galactus's Ship.

Full Power Galactus = Eternity (the Single Universe)

Earth-811
Days of Future Past
Diverges from Earth-616 reality when Senator Kelly is assassinated by Mystique's Brotherhood.

Earth-295
Age of Apocalypse
Diverges from Earth-616 reality when David Haller travels to the past and kills Professor Xavier in Haifa, Israel.

Earth-15104
Here Comes Tomorrow
Diverges from Earth-616 reality when Scott doesn't move on with his life and decides to close the school after Jean Grey dies.

Prevention of the divergent events prevents the 616 timeline from following these routes.