Omg.. something that isn't there....
Watch Robin Hood: Men in tights. When the blind guys glasses fall off, he's like "I CAN SEE!!!"
hence puts glasses back on and goes blind again.
I know it has nothing to do wit hthe subject matter.. .but its a funny movie. 🙂 also monty python and the holy grail... other monty pythons... take.... a quirky sense of humor... but the holy grail.. well... its holy.. and .. well.. its a grail!
Originally posted by David_Richards
Im not trying to pick a fight im trying to prevent them. There is no reason you can't debate in a polite civilized way, theres no reason not to show each other common decency and respect.I suppose your awnser would be that it's not as much fun to debate unlesds your being rude to one another. If so that is truly sad to treat people liek this over simple meaningless comic book characters.
Its not about been nasty to one another as Mr master stated in one of his other posts its about passion and some members have a great deal of passion for characters. Your new here and if you think Mr Master is a bit extreme wait still you meet the Supe, Thor , Phoneix , Thanos Fan boys. People get a bit extreme because they love the characters and consider them the best.
And please people lets stay on topic although i think it safe to say a majority agree Abraxas will win this i am sure phoneix fan boys have something else to say.
Originally posted by sexyking
Its not about been nasty to one another as Mr master stated in one of his other posts its about passion and some members have a great deal of passion for characters. Your new here and if you think Mr Master is a bit extreme wait still you meet the Supe, Thor , Phoneix , Thanos Fan boys. People get a bit extreme because they love the characters and consider them the best.And please people lets stay on topic although i think it safe to say a majority agree Abraxas will win this i am sure phoneix fan boys have something else to say.
Yes but theres something very wrong if you get passoinate to the point where your nasty to one another. Its just some comic book characters. this is just for fun. In the grander scheme of things it doesn't really matter who wins. Im a big fan of Silver Surfer but I wouldn't get rude about it. This is the sort of thing that makes other people think we are freaks.
Originally posted by Mr Master
I'm going to keep Your scans along with your posts.
Please do.
Originally posted by Mr Master
NOT as the Big Bang....From the Big Bang, like ALL other Abstracts.
"This is HOW I came into BEING"
It is how the Phoenix was reborn into creation. So NO not like all of the other abstracts because the Phoenix Force itself doesnt die, it is a constant, whereas the abstracts are spawned cyclically after the birth of a universe. As stated on panel the Phoenix Force derives from the M'kraan crystal. More specifically the White Hot Room that the crystal is an access point for (as we later found out.) The crystal destroyed the previous multiverse and at the end of the process the Phoenix was reborn into the void as the Big Bang.
Originally posted by Mr Master
According to this scan, She is the SPARK that IGNITES the Big Bang,
it does say Her Fire does the consuming.
Her SPARK IGNITES Creation, She does NOT do the Creating.
Not in the slightest my young friend. The scans state that she is the spark that ignites creation. They do not state that she is the spark that ignites the spark that spawns creation 😂
Just what do you think is the spark that ignites creation? 😕 👇
Either way this is a pointless argument because the Big Bang would still derive from the Phoenix Force. So just what are you arguing about? Have a long think about that son.
Originally posted by Mr Master
I have always said this...Of ONE Universe ONLY though.
These are your scans.
They are indeed my scans and they mark the Force out as the power that determines the creation cycle, it "PERPETUATES" it.
It doesnt say its limited to one universe. That is something you've added. The Watcher however is referring to one universe and that is 616. Theres a difference. However as ive posted previously the Phoenix has been stated to have this same role in a variety of alternate universes, such as The Ultimate universe and X-men The End universe.
Originally posted by Mr Master
Again, "the SPARK that brought the cosmos into being"...NOT the CREATOR.
"The Fire that would ultimately consume it"...
Thank you for highlighting my point for me. Yes Phoenix is marked out by the captions as the "SPARK THAT BRINGS THE COSMOS INTO BEING." It is the power that births a reality. What is the spark that brings a reality into being?
Is Phoenixes role not stated to be the perpetuator of the creation cycle? So does that not mean that sparking a reality into being is something Phoenix actively does? Would that not then mean that Phoenix is the creator of said realities? 😕
Originally posted by Mr Master
Phoenix's Fire is the SAME Fire that is used to End a Universe at the end of it's cycle.
But Phoenix if NOT the Big Bang.
Phoenixes power is indeed that which brings about the end of a universe, however it is also marked out as the perpetuator of the entire cycle, it also brings about the beginning as depicted and stated.
Again i ask you what event do you believe starts off a universal life cycle?
Who is marked out as the power behind this cycle?
Dont be so selective in what you choose to acknowledge.
Originally posted by Mr Master
I respect anything that comes out of Reed's mouth.Had he been more Assertive I'd give this one, but he WANS'T.
"Call it the Big Bang, or the Phoenix Force, or What Have You"
Whatever are you talking about? 😕 Reed never said Maybe the Big Bang was the Phoenix Force, he cast no doubt in it being the Phoenix Force. He marked out the energies of creation as being that which transformed Galen to Galactus. He was then indecisive about referring to those energies as the Phoenix Force or referring to them as the Big Bang. Thats completely different to doubting whether the Big Bang was th ePhoenix Force at all. Thats the equivalent of saying the energies of creation can be referred to as the Big Bang or the Phoenix Force, whatever one takes your fancy. The crux of the matter is that the Phoenix is marked out as the energies of creation. A point that has precedence on panel.
Originally posted by Mr Master
"life force of reality"?Don't add Your own Text to the Scan please.
Phoenix is ONE of the Primal Forces"
"There is a Natural Order to Her being, as to yours and ALL Creation"
Another example of you either misinterpreting scans or selectively acknowledging whatever you want to from them whilst bypassing other relevant points still to be found.
The Force being described as one of the primal forces in no way disputes it being the life force of reality. Does Phoenix being referred to as one of the X-men dispute the point that she was their most powerful member?
Also when the cosmics said " there's a natural order to her being, as to yours and all of creation" they were referring to Rachel, NOT the Phoenix Force.
As stated prior to your carefully selected quote " That child is Phoenix, living embodiment of one of the primal forces. You can no more divide her spirit from Death as you can life from death......."
Rachel? ✅
Originally posted by Mr Master
"life force of reality"?So how the heck is Galactus going to STILL be around, IF Phoenix were to DIE?...AND Death ?...who invites Galactus to it's Realm.
"Can even you Endure such Desolation"? Who knows....BUT He WILL Endure.
Again, an example of you hearing what you want to hear and seeing what you want to see. ❌
Who said Galactus would've survived? Who said he would even be around? The Watcher expressed doubt over whether Galactus would survive" Can even you endure such desolation?"
Also once again you've got the wrong end of the stick. This is becoming quite the habit young squire. 🙂
Death never said it was going to survive the process, it never said the invite was for after the process should Galactus choose to go through with it. It was an aside. Watcher as aforementioned expressed his doubt and then as an aside Death chimed in and said "unless thats what you really want?" (Referring to the "desolation"😉 He then basically asked Galactus if he desired a premature end THERE AND THEN.
Resulting in this reply:
Originally posted by Mr Master
Life in a Universe would be affected by Phoenix's absence of being, BUT NOT Abstracts.
Unjustified assumption.
The abstracts come into being after the birth of a universe. They depend on a universe for their existence, (except for Death who more specifically depends on the mortality of life for existence). If theres no universe, theres no abstracts for that universe. Remove Phoenix from the equation and theres nothing but a void.
Originally posted by Mr Master
Kubik clearly says, She's the sustenance of the Stars, NOT Reality.
"AND yet, the Phoenix merely SERVES EVOLUTION itself"The second scan says Life comes from the Stars (I guess that was your connection)
Life, on a miniscule scale yes. (Humans, Mortals ect.)But Abstracts, Cosmics and Many Many others Do NOT need the Stars to survive.
Again yet ANOTHER example of you adding things or at least changing the original meaning of on panel evidence with your analysis.
The scan basically calls the Phoenix Force the wellspring from which the stars draw their sustenance and therefore by degrees of seperation all life birthed in a universe. Stars are the greatest concentrations of matter and energy in a universe. The abstracts form upon the creation of a universe, they are reflections of a reality, so while Phoenix doesnt create them directly they are OF that which the Phoenix power brings about.
As for cosmics other than the abstracts, just who are you referring to?
Any being formed from the matter and energy contained within reality would be derivative of the Phoenix Force.
Originally posted by Mr Master
Actually ONLY the Force in it's NATURAL STATE is Beyond Space and Time.
AN honest mis-iterpretation I'm sure.
Ummmm who is disputing the Phoenix just in its natural state being beyond time and space?
It stands to reason to any idiot (or at least i presumed so) that when manifesting into reality it obviously wouldn’t be beyond reality? 😂
No MISINTERPRETATION (spell check is a most useful facility) my friend, no mistake on my part at all.
Originally posted by Mr Master
Continues..."Craftsman of reality"?
Death actually Equates itself to Phoenix, what are you talking about?
"She is the embodiment of Life itself EMBODIED by Passion...As I REPRESENT Order and Structure and Entropy" (Their BOTH Abstracts)
Death in no way equates itself to Phoenix. That is just how you have chosen to see it as it suits your agenda. 🙂
Death illustrates how it and the Phoenix are tied together in terms of the universal life cycle.
However as we both know the sum total of the Phoenix Force all that it is is NOT limited to a universe. As we've been told the Phoenix in its natural state exists simultaneously as a part of time and space and yet beyond it as well. The Phoenix has avatars operating within reality and yet it exists as a Consciousness beyond reality. Avatars who despite not being the sum total of the Phoenix Force are capable of amputating futures and manipulating realities in the palm of their hands and yet despite that you would try and fallaciously equate a universal abstract to the Phoenix Force? 👇
Death illustrates their partnership within the cycle, but Death also marks out creation as Phoenixes handiwork and defines itself and its work as merely the frame which gives meaning to this work, whilst making the point that Phoenixes work its duties extend beyond just the universe:
"I build the structure that the Phoenix may craft her chaos within and without"
I love how you've taken WhiteWitchKings post and altered the words and ried to present it as your own.
Your lack of self-sufficiency will amount to not a thing. As i handled his post in our previous debate on the matter so i will handle this rehash.
Originally posted by Mr Master
From X-Men #154A Bacteria called Sublime, took over Hank's (Beast) mind, and a portion of Phoenix's power
Here Sublime thinks he will control creation with Phoenix's power and his own.
But actually Phoenix was disinfecting the Bacteria while Sublime was killing other X-MenHere Phoenix extracts Sublime from Hank's body
Phoenix SAYS, "SURGERY COMPLETE"Here Phoenix says, "Some KIND of Bacteria Colony gone rogue...I had to Amputate the whole Future"
Jean is told, "Phoenix DISINFECTION Successful"Jean then asks, "Now What"?
Ok,
We know that by Phoenix cutting off the Future, the Infection, which was Sublime, was destroyed, but the EVENTS that took place, have NOT been changed.
And NOW, Phoenix is asking what's next? Or more specifically, "Now What"?
It tells Jean, "This is Now" (yellow energy in her hands)
Phoenix asks, "Is this the Future"?
It tells her, "You lost concentration, Shock almost killed it" (the Future)It continues to say, "Patient will die unless internal heart damage repaired"
The "Patient" is the FUTURE still at this point apparently.
Which is why Phoenix says, "But it didn't have to END like that, my Friends didn't deserve that." (some even died), the ONLY thing that has ENDED is the Future since Phoenix Amputated it.
It then says, "No, Turn around, No End yet, there, Turn, Here before always, HOSPITAL White Hot (It's a hospital for Universes)
This is ACTUALLY the process taking place of a FUTURE being Repaired, because it HAS NO Future since Phoenix Amputated it.Jean loses concentration and she is reminded to "Now heal wound MAKE Better FUTURE"
"Heart got stuck", (Because she Wasn't concentrating) Turn (some kinda White Hot Room code word for, "keep on fixing"😉Now after that, we end up with this.
It tells Jean, "Telekinetic control of all those Atoms at once isn't as easy as it sounds in training, NOT even for a White Phoenix of the Crown..."
"Telekinetic control of all those Atoms"?... of WHAT Atoms?The ONLY action I've seen, is A Future being repaired.
It's actually talking about the FUTURE that was just repaired.
This leads to this, and as you can read, has nothing to do with the former.
It tells Jean, "It lost it's parents when Unity broke out across the Megasystems"
Phoenix is CLUELESS as to WHAT this is, or WHAT to do with it.Jean says, "Did I have to FIX something that was dying? What is it?"
It tells her, "A badly wounded Orphan Universe...Phoenix work"
What the hell does that mean?....Jean Grey is just as LOST as I am.
"But...but WHAT's that supposed to mean?
It TELLS Phoenix WHAT that means,
"That Henry's heart's broken, that Scott succumbs to loneliness", ect..ect..It's just telling Jean the outcome of "Here Comers Tomorrow", the Future that is Now, this is WHY it's a "badly wounded Orphan Universe" due to "Phoenix Work"
THAT'S WHAT that meant ALL this time? hysterical2
I thought it was an injured Universe she repaired atom by atom, but EVIDENTLY NOT.
Heres was how i started off dismissing this garbage in the other thread:
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
With regards to the growing of a new future to replace the one she cut away, you’re correct in saying she did this through altering the past, (i.e Scotts reactions) however what you’re incorrect in saying is that was all she did.http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=7/18209533321.jpg&s=f5
Here Jean talks of having cut away 616’s future. The Consciousness tells her that her actions dealt a fatal blow to the universe and that it is dying. Jean asks if things are really going to take a turn for the worse, if this “Here Comes Tomorrow” future is what is fated for her friends, she says that her friends deserve better. She thinks it’s all over for them, before the Consciousness tells her there’s hope, she can grow a better future.
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On the next page the Consciousness elaborates and tells her what this task involves. He tells her that telekinetic control of that number of atoms isn’t easy even for a White Phoenix. As the panels progress we see a glowing disc-like structure come together in her hand. The Consciousness tells her that it is the orphan universe. While we don’t know what Jean did specifically, what we do know conclusively is that her task involved manipulation of the universe at an atomic level, hence the Phoenix Consciousness’ comments and the depiction of a structure coming together in her hand. Your interpretation renders the comments and depiction completely redundant, they are not taken into consideration. Im saying whilst we don’t know what she did exactly there was a manipulation of some fashion on the aforementioned scale. Other than that youre quite correct in your summarization regarding how she finished the job.
For a further look at why my position on the matter still stands strong, please visit the Lucifer Gauntlet thread and read from Page 31 onwards:
HANDLED!!! 😱
Originally posted by Mr Master
Not on panel.I'll give you both accounts that have been depicted ON PANEL.
If you can find me just ONE comic where this is drawn, I'll agree with you, but since I know your basing this idea on bios or handbooks I know you can't.Tell me where if anywhere does it mention Phoenix supposedly "enabling Galen to incubate in the Cosmic Egg"....how about even JUST Saving Galactus...This is the SECOND time they depicted Galactus's Origin On Panel.
And this is the ORIGINAL depiction of Galactus's ORIGIN.
See anything different?Yea me neither.
Look hard...and realize Phoenix is NOT even mentioned during the Galactus history lesson.
Phoenix saved Galens previous reality from eternal damnation. As the previous multiverse was being wiped out by the M'kraan crystal Phoenix saved all life in a previous universe from the Dwellers plans and that meant that she saved Galens life. Galen survived to make it to the cosmic egg, where he was gestated within until the new universe cycle was initiated by Phoenix and Galen was reborn as Galactus along with the abstracts. So i stand by my previous comment as it was correct.
Phoenixes actions enabled Eternity to preserve Galen.
Originally posted by Mr Master
Multiversal? Again, NOT On Panel WHEN Phoenix Repaired it."An explosion that scatters stellar mass out across a NEW Virgin Universe"
Exactly A UNIVERSE...but NOT a Multiverse.
On Panel it's a Universal threat...This is a more recent acknowledgment of the Mkraan's capacity.
Besides the FACT that Phoenix has ALWAYS needed X-Men to help her do the job, but let's just overlook this....lol.
So once again youre reposting old points of yours from old posts that have been previously torn apart? Why put yourself through this?
Heres how i replied:
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
My oh my. What an irrelevant post. 😮Do you not know what a retcon is sonny? 😕 When one occurs it means readers have to treat the new interpretation it ushers in as if its always been the case. Therefore when Phoenix repaired the M'kraan crystal back in the 80's, it was the nexus of all realities in Marvel.
You really are getting desperate arent you? 😂
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One crystal. One sweeping "draft" that collapses realities.
There is one crystal in the multiverse. When the crystal is breached in one reality, unless Phoenix is there to stop it then its power will consume said reality in a wave of power. This wave of power will gradually spread across the multiverse consuming all realities. Not multiple waves, from multiple alternate reality crystals. Just one. Multiversal? ✅
Who can bind its power? 😕
PHOENIX!!! 😱
The scan youre showing pertaining to the repairing of the crystal is one of mine and it is one of 3 instances Phoenix has been depicted on panel repairing the crystal. That is the sole occassion it has been stated that others actually took an active part in the repairing process. In the 2 other occassions Jean used the others merely as moral support and to anchor herself whilst SHE went about repairing the crystal.
Being an energy being Phoenix would merely get absorbed into the crystal without something to bind herself to reality. She then used the souls of the X-men to bind herself to the physical SO SHE COULD GO ABOUT PERFORMING THE FEAT. The feat was the binding of the energies contained within the M'kraan crystal. Jean had no power given to her to accomplish this feat, she was not aided in anyway when it came to performing the actual feat. The crux of the matter is that the feat itself, the binding of the multiversal power of the crystal was achieved by Jean and Jean alone. Your point is redundant.
Why are you bringing up old previously discussed issues into a thread where i have mentioned not a thing about them?
This is all stuff from other threads, previous debates we've had and yet you feel the need to repost it here? Would you care to explain why?
This Necrom issue is from another thread where lack of support forced you to back down on the issue. I will repost my reply once again, please dont do this again. 🙂
Originally posted by Mr Master
"Phoenix linked it together and formed a constant flow"......This is not true...."Phoenix created an energy matrix that flows around the multiverse".....This is not true
Observe everyone:
This is before the Phoenix even came into the picture:
It clearly says 'when a series of interfaces across the Multiverse were aligned, the localized energy fields merged..to Create an Energy Matrix.'
The Energy fields merge ON THEIR OWN...and the Interfaces across the Mulitverse align BY THEMSELVES...AT the MOMENT of ALIGNMENT, THEN Feron called Phoenix to project the Tower", a less than monumental feat...considering it was the Energy Matrix (ON IT"S OWN) that allows simultaneous existence in the Multiverse when the Interfaces Across are Aligned, Which Also happens ON it's OWN.....
"Phoenixs feat resulted in a permanently linked energy matrix which flows through the multiverse"......and THIS is also NOT true.
What REALLY happened was this:
While Necrom and Feron had fought, MERLYN had JUMPED INTO the Energy Matrix...
He was swept across the Multiverse and was finally able to control the Energy Matrix and created Otherworld.
At Otherworld Merlyn, along with his daughter Roma, over-looked the Multiverse.MERLYN repaired the Energy Matrix which now has a permanent flow.....NOT Phoenix.
My reply:
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
At the end of the day the evidence is there stated for all to see plain as day. There are a few facts explicitly outlined in the scenes involving the tower.a) The dimensional interfaces aligned only periodically at which time they would form the energy matrix which served as a doorway between realities.
b) The alignments temporary nature as outlined (the interfaces were aligned only for a short period of time and said alignments occurred infrequently) meant that as stated the resultant energy matrix could never be harnessed.
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c) The tower located in 616 was connected to the dimensional interface of 616.
d) Necrom still longed for the matrices power and Ferons communion with the Phoenix was to play an integral part in Necroms plan to gain said power.
e) When the next alignment occurred and the doorways between realities was opened
Feron had the Phoenix Force project the towers essence through said doorway so
that a tower existed on every reality of the multiverse.f) With an energy matrix now created as per his plans, Necrom made his play to gain
control of it. He was resisted by Feron and Merlyn leapt into the matrix.g) After decades (well at least until the end of young Ferons life) Merlyn managed
to gain control of this energy matrix.http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=3/5913134015.jpg&s=x402
With all of that in mind, the Phoenixes actions saw that this energy matrix, this gateway between worlds was made a permanent fixture. It was outlined previously that the matrix couldn’t be harnessed under the natural course the alignments took. Necrom himself the mentor and most powerful of the group could not do so and yet you would try and have us believe that young (at the time) Merlyn was the one to render the alignment permanent?
The Phoenixes feat was to create (using the essence of the original) a tower for every reality of the multiverse simultaneously as outlined. An action that was likened to a pin being threaded through creation. The fact that it was through a dimensional doorway is irrelevant as the scale, range and simultaneous nature of the application of power is still multiversal. There is a difference between could not do and did not do. So all that talk of Phoenix not being able to have done the feat is similarly irrelevant as not only is it just an opinion but what was actually accomplished was multiversal regardless.
Originally posted by Mr Master
On The Bownig down to LT scan....let me break it down for you.
Scan 1:
Here Eternity is explaining to Jean how the Universe works and how it has lead to us....Already proved this many times over...Phoenix is the SPARK that ignites the natural Big Bang of a Universe, which ends life and begins life in said Universe.
Phoenix is NOT the Big Bang and the scan clearly tells us the Celestials SEEDED the Universe with Creation and the Celestial were created by Eternity.Scan 2:
Ok, here Eternity says, "like Galactus was the sole survivor...so shall Humanity Begin the End, End the Beginning."NOTHING about Phoenix.
"Oblivion will embrace all...creation will Renew itself"...(no need for Phoenix)
"And therein lies the Stranger's conceit"...Ok, I'm sure you see now that Stranger wants to be able to do..what Humans will be able to do one day.(Which is WHY they are BOWING to HIM in the scan...because one day WE(Humans)will NOT need Abstracts or even LT...they will be as NOTHING to US(Humans).
"He plans to spark Humanity's Evolution Now...to Engulf the cosmos."How does he PLAN to do that?....You said it was with the Phoenix Force Power.
But I think not.
Scan 3 & 4:
The Stranger was going to use 5(FIVE)individuals to accomplish his "Spark in Humanity's Evolution Now...to Engulf the cosmos"Marko, Jean, Iceman, Toad, Mystique.
More Proof it was FIVE individuals the Stranger was going to use to "Spark in Humanity's Evolution Now...to Engulf the cosmos"...NOT Phoenix...NOT PHOENIX AT ALL....Jean didn't even have the Phoenix Force during this time.
"To pluck FIVE representative Earthlings to SERVE as his Evolutionary Vanguards"notworthy------------------>nono
Im not going to post a huge reply to this as your points are weak as per usual and they have been previously squished.
1) Eternity marks Phoenix as the perpetuator of the creation cycle. The power that starts it off and the power that ends it. As we have seen throughout this thread there is precedence for that. You are not arguing that Phoenix is the power behind the Big Bang, but youre arguing that the Big Bang isnt OF Phoenix? 🤨 Get the hell outta here you confused youngster 😂
Yes the Celestials seeded the universe with the potential and yes it is humanity that actually replaces the abstracts but that is besides the point. It is all a process brought about by the Phoenix power. Notice how Eternity says that Phoenix brings about the end whilst at the same time its humanity thats marked out as those that are the replacements for the abstracts. 😖hifty:
The accepting of the Phoenix Force is that which paves the road for the replacement:
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Without Phoenix the abstracts WOULD NOT be stung by human evolution, the process WOULD NOT take place:
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The Phoenix Force again depicted as the driving force behind evolution:
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Notice the Phoenix Force engulfed D.N.A chain emerginig from Earth forming into Eternity.
This depiction of Phoenix being linked to evolution has precedence.
The Force manifesting within reality to serve the purpose of evolution:
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Even in alternate realities the idea of Phoenix being tied to evolution is held:
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Being a Phoenix, being linked with the Force is seen as the endpoint of evolution:
ultimate potential realised:
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ultimate mutation:
http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=2933410
http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=2933600
So all in all, this endless waffling about no mention of Phoenix is irrelevant when the Phoenix is marked out on multiple occasions in the title as the perpetuator of the creation cycle, the driving force of evolution and the power which makes the replacement process possible. Please understand that son.
That will be all. 🙄
-GS 😮💨
