Making deals with the devil...

Originally posted by LovelyOne
he probably would be happy if his dad stopped him..it means he still has someone in his life that he can love...and he wanted his dad to be in his life since before he even met Liz...people seem to forget that...His dad is what is most important to him now..subconsciously he always has been whats more important to him. Liz has taken a backseat in his life

Same goes for Liz..subconsciously its always been a pirate life/pirate that is more important to her..Will has now taken a backseat in her life

Jack has always subconsciously wanted one person to love him...Material possessions are now less important to him than they once were..See with Jack love cant be shown as a physical thing on screen its an emotion..thats why the compass was there..to show that his heart wants it from Liz.

With Will its obvious that its his dad he cares for most its right there on screen.

Liz its to have a pirate..its right there on screen

but wanting love most..that cant be shown so they use the compass to show it.. Jack is after a heart but its not really Davy's chest that he's after...he's subconciously after Liz..who resembles the chest in the movie..the REAL chest that Jack is after...its the one his heart wants most..he just doesnt think that it should be the most important thing in the movie..until the end when he decides that it is..

yeah your right...i agreee

gish you are right A LOT! itys hard to argue with oyu. you always win

LOL^^ I'm very persistant with my views 😂
Disney know exactly what they are doing I think..

The script writers for PotC have said that when writing a screenplay for a movie..they always have a teaser kiss just slap bang in the middle so it keeps everyone wondering...and then the real kiss happens at the end..

movie 1
Beginning: Liz starts off with Norrington..
Middle: teaser kiss Will/Liz possibility
End: They kiss at the end

movie 2
Beginning: She starts off with Will.
Middle: teaser kiss Liz/Jack possibility.
End: They Kiss at the end

If you take their rule and put it over the trilogy as a whole which is ONE BIG STORY..you can see what they are doing:
Movie 1: they have started with Will/Liz
Movie 2: teaser moment Jack/Liz possible relationship
Movie 3: Jack/Liz

Originally posted by LovelyOne
LOL^^ I'm very persistant with my views 😂
Disney know exactly what they are doing I think..

The script writers for PotC have said that when writing a screenplay for a movie..they always have a teaser kiss just slap bang in the middle so it keeps everyone wondering...and then the real kiss happens at the end..

movie 1
Beginning: Liz starts off with Norrington..
Middle: teaser kiss Will/Liz possibility
End: They kiss at the end

movie 2
Beginning: She starts off with Will.
Middle: teaser kiss Liz/Jack possibility.
End: They Kiss at the end

If you take their rule and put it over the trilogy as a whole which is ONE BIG STORY..you can see what they are doing:
Movie 1: they have started with Will/Liz
Movie 2: teaser moment Jack/Liz possible relationship
Movie 3: Jack/Liz

by this theory she will end up with norrington... hahaha just kidding.

will we really have to wait the entire next film to find out?!?! GAH!

She doesn't really start out with Norrington. They're not the established couple and no one in the audience thinks she will choose him. Plus, at the end of movie 2, it's up in the air on whether or not Will will ever even speak to Liz again. The overall trilogy theory is correct, though. They're more like acts in a play than sequels.

Originally posted by willofthewisp
She doesn't really start out with Norrington. They're not the established couple and no one in the audience thinks she will choose him. Plus, at the end of movie 2, it's up in the air on whether or not Will will ever even speak to Liz again. The overall trilogy theory is correct, though. They're more like acts in a play than sequels.

AHH but Norrie/Liz are the "supposed couple" that everyone in her life thinks she is suited to..TO START WITH..then she's obviously not suited to him...she's "suited to Will"

Will then seems like the perfect match who everyone thinks she should be with..when its clear she's not suited to him at all by the end of movie 2...by the end of movie 2 (beacuse its ONLY the the middle of the trilogy)..the audience are left thinking "ah she's chosen Will" (lots of people missed the little hint where she went into kiss him again..) So by doing that it gives the writers the means to start their whole "pattern" with the 3rd. Where you dont know who she's gonna choose until the end... When you look at the whole trilogy you can see whats going to happen..

actually..wait no.I just realized.

Norrie is the supposed perfect match for Liz at the beginning of movie 1..when we all learn that she is more suited to WILL..BUT there is a little hint in there that its actually the pirate life she wants more...(since she was a kid/what she says to Will at the end)

Movie 2. everyone thinks that its will she should be with..but we learn she is more suited to the pirate life...we leave thinking that she is in Jacks words "a pirate" but there is a LITTLE hint there that she actually wants JACK..(the second kiss pull away/compass/ the very act of chaining him up because she is afraid of loving him)

Movie 3...we'll have to wait and see how they do this one..everyone thinks she is happy with being a new found pirate..juggling two men in the middle..but ultimatley ends up with Jack....

OR if you just look at it in the most sensible way..when they do it with a single film its ONLY about who she is going to kiss at the end

but when you put it over the trilogy its about WHO she is ultimatley going to choose at the end.

^ i agree with you 100%!

although its quite hard not to agree. you have so many points and details that you always end up being right about eveyrhitng. 😄

LOL thanks^^

actually putting that Kiss in the middle causes a few problems for the writers..and for where they want the trilogy to end up. If its in the middle of the trilogy then they have to make it end so you think she is with someone/something else for example (will/pirate life)..because there is STILL movie 3 where they have to use that pattern again..This was probably the reason WHY they were a bit iffy with using their typical rules in movie 2..they did state that they didnt want that kiss in there during the early drafts of the script..they then decided to put it in..they never said WHY though...if they did it would give away the end of the trilogy..

For the overall trilogy to suit their rules they HAD to put it in there because they obviously want it to end up Liz/Jack and they needed to put that "What if kiss" in movie 2 so that the rules could be placed over the entire trilogy..

its really hard to explain....😂 I'll think harder and try to word it better 😂

its hard to explain?! you explain eveyritng else perfectly fine....you use like 20 paragraphs to explain eveyritng else. butits hard to explain this??! WOW thats a first! lol 😄

LOl i didnt explain that very well 😂...i'm workin on it though..bare with me 😂

hahah its ok i kinda got it

lol

OK..For the writers its HARD to put the "kiss rule" in each seperate movie when they are parts of a trilogy, which is one big story...the Overall trilogy and how it all ends is what is more important. The kiss rule NEEDS to be placed over the trilogy BUT the Kiss rule ALSO NEEDS to be in each film otherwise the audience will be like WTF where is the kiss?..this is where they run into problems.

I think they decided from the offset of making a trilogy that they WANTED Liz to end up with Jack . BUT this means that the teaser moment has to be with Jack in the middle of the Trilogy..and they CANT end movie 2 where we know Liz has ended up with Jack (like in a seperate movie when she kisses a character)because it would screw up the ending of the trilogy..the middle film HAS to be a "what if moment"..they probably thought..Ok lets "take the kiss out and just have the chemistry/almost kiss between them as the what if moment"..but the audience will be PISSED if they dont see a Kiss..so the answer to the problem is MAKE the final kiss in movie 2..a "fake kiss"..its STILL a kiss...but its a "Teaser Kiss" so that fits perfecty in the middle of the trilogy as the teaser moment, it fits perfectly with the film on its own, it also works well with the next movie because they NEED to use the pattern again in movie 3..so they needed to make it look as if she had chosen something else BUT WILL SAW THE KISS so we will be wondering in movie 3 who she's going to CHOOSE at the end of it

They mentioned worrying about putting the kiss in movie 2 but PUT IT BACK IN and never said WHY because it gives away the end to the trilogy..which is Jack/Liz..

i like ur location lovely one! sponge bath lol

LOl thanks^^

the "fake kiss" wasnt REALLY a fake kiss though..it's meant to look that way but it meant something to her and that almost kiss right after that kiss proved it....that's what made that fake kiss a "teaser kiss"(makes it so the kiss rule can be placed over the trilogy).. and It's still a full on kiss (so it obeys the kiss rule for the movie on its own)

Disney covered themselves pretty well 😂

man lovelyone...u have some great thoughts...and they all make sense...how do u get all that out of a 2 hour long film???lol🙂

^^^^LOL I'm a nerd 😂 with too much free time on my hands 😛

Aw, lovelyone, you must think I'm only here to pick on you, but I really do hope for Jack/Liz. I remember distinctly seeing her go in for another kiss and I was waiting for it, and I picked up on a few of the clues you mentioned. Of course, you bring up good points I didn't notice, but I want you to know we're on the same page. I think it only makes sense for Jack to end up with Liz.
That said, I want an explanation for a possible loophole I found. A big part of the theory is that Liz chained Jack mainly because she feared her own feelings and thought "out of sight, out of mind." Jack seems to admire this desperation and "claims" her as a fellow pirate. But it's very uncharacteristic of Liz to act immorally. She's a rebel, yeah, but she's never done anything really immoral. She usually acts nobly and follows her heart.
So then she's going to be a ***** from now on, doing whatever she pleases because she doesn't know herself? It's hard to explain, but any way you look at it, the reason of chaining Jack to the mast and basically killing him is a horrible, horrible thing to do. It's not the selfish act Jack's been wanting out of her, but a real horrible act. It's murder and if that's the reason she did it, then she's out-pirated him and is now just evil whereas he was just kind of naughty.
Sorry. It's hard to put into words the trouble I have with that part. Maybe you'll understand what I'm trying to say and have some words of wisdom.

you guys are all awesome. seriously.

i agree about the kiss thing. the fact that they didnt originally want the kiss in could actually be a huge plus for the Liz/Jack idea--- because they DID have all those flirty scenes, so perhaps they were planning to end the trilogy with them together and didnt want to make it TOO obvious by having them kiss, but then HAD to have a SLASH BANG finish for 2, and lets face it, the kiss seals the deal we will all come back next year. Especially because everyone has different views on what the kiss meant.

heres a question i struggle with. IF liz and Jack end up together, any film they made as sequel to 3 would HAVE to include liz, right? So we've all heard johnny talking about doing a 4, but anyone heard kiera mention it? or orlando? ya know what i'm saying?
unless, as was hinted, a 4th film would not be a continuation but a prequel or something.

responding to what willofawisp just said, i think Liz CONSIDERS herself to be a moral person... but is she REALLY? not in my opinion. she is manipulative, even from the beginning of one.

wow this film is so hott. 3 is going to be awesome.