Prove to me that you have a soul.

Lord Urizen we mostly agree. However, the main difference is that my entity is not in my body. Let me explain; the world we see around us is only a small part of the true reality. We live in this true reality, but cannot understand or even detect it. Every atom, everything that is physical, extends from this physical world into the main part of the universe that we cannot detect. Your body and mind exist in this physical form and beyond. My entity is the part of me that extends into that other part of the true nature of reality.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Shaky, I always thought of it this way.....

We are not our bodies...our bodies are a part of us, and belong to us (atleast for now) but they are not who we are.

Our mind is not who we are either...it is also just a part of us. If your mind was really you, then you would always be in union with it, and that is not the case.

Ever have thoughts that enter your mind without your permission ? Has your mind ever stressed you out in any way ?

There has to be something deeper. Your beleif in your [b]Entity is pretty much the same concept of the Soul.

The Soul predates the Concept of the Christian/Judeo God. The idea of a soul existed way before the mainstream religions, because it existed in Egyptian, Peruvian, and Greek mythologies as well......

I sort of believe it like this:

Your Body is the dwelling place for your mind. And your mind is the dwelling place for your Soul. The mind is such a complex "place"....a network of thoughts, dreams, and emotions. However, what absorbs all of that? You can't be your mind, because your mind is more of a "place" than a state of identity. Your identity, ego, or purest self has to be something else....if not a soul, then what ? [/B]

While I understand your position, the idea of "mind" separate from brain is up to debate. I believe that "mind" is used only to distinguish scientific view from religious view. I believe this is the major error in internal construct based psychology, and the downfall of scientific opinion of psychology outside of the field due to its spiritual style connotation. I believe the idea of mind is no different than the idea of spirit, and for clarity I believe use of the term spirit is a more accurate description of what you are talking about. But then my opinion is that the spirit is absolutely inseparable from the body while living, so even the idea of spirit is not the same to me. Given this, as to any discernible portion of the body separate from the physical is not something I prescribe to.

But then, the topic of mind/spirit has been debated since Plato and Socrates, and we still haven't come to a definitive on the subject. I doubt between yourself and I we would be able to come to an agreement. I believe science will be able study spirit at the same time it is able to discover a means of studying mind.

Originally posted by Regret
While I understand your position, the idea of "mind" separate from brain is up to debate. I believe that "mind" is used only to distinguish scientific view from religious view. I believe this is the major error in internal construct based psychology, and the downfall of scientific opinion of psychology outside of the field due to its spiritual style connotation. I believe the idea of mind is no different than the idea of spirit, and for clarity I believe use of the term spirit is a more accurate description of what you are talking about. But then my opinion is that the spirit is absolutely inseparable from the body while living, so even the idea of spirit is not the same to me. Given this, as to any discernible portion of the body separate from the physical is not something I prescribe to.

But then, the topic of mind/spirit has been debated since Plato and Socrates, and we still haven't come to a definitive on the subject. I doubt between yourself and I we would be able to come to an agreement. I believe science will be able study spirit at the same time it is able to discover a means of studying mind.

I think it would be highly interesting if Science could in fact study the spirit. I mean we already study the mind....so why not ?

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
I think it would be highly interesting if Science could in fact study the spirit. I mean we already study the mind....so why not ?

Im getting flashbacks of Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within 😆.

I dont believe (for now anyway) that souls exist.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Prove to me that you have a soul.

Do we have a soul, and if we do, how do you know this to be true?

Give me your proof.

Romans 2:15
who show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and between themselves their thoughts accusing or else excusing them )

Your conscience is one example of proof.

Let me ask you this? Why do people feel (innatey, instinctively, and almost intrinsically) that certain things are just wrong? Why do all people have this same basic understanding of right and wrong? Your conscience is immaterial so it is not part of your body, but a discrete thing as such. I believe that God gave each and every person this natural ability to distinguish between right and wrong.

John 8:9
Then those who heard it, being convicted by their conscience , went out one by one, beginning with the oldest even to the last. And Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst.

Those were unsaved, non-born again, non-Christian people who were convicted by their conscience. So their conscience was not a religious thing, it was planted their (I believe) by God.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
[B]Romans 2:15
who show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and between themselves their thoughts accusing or else excusing them )

Your conscience is one example of proof.

Let me ask you this? Why do people feel (innatey, instinctively, and almost intrinsically) that certain things are just wrong? Why do all people have this same basic understanding of right and wrong? Your conscience is immaterial so it is not part of your body, but a discrete thing as such. I believe that God gave each and every person this natural ability to distinguish between right and wrong.

John 8:9
Then those who heard it, being convicted by their conscience , went out one by one, beginning with the oldest even to the last. And Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst.

Those were unsaved, non-born again, non-Christian people who were convicted by their conscience. So their conscience was not a religious thing, it was planted their (I believe) by God. [/B]

Conscience and one's view of morality is SUBJECTIVE.

Originally posted by Templares
Conscience and one's view of morality is SUBJECTIVE.

Having one is not.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Having one is not.

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oooohhh. The influence of conscience is not the same on each individual hence SUBJECTIVE.

Plus, i wouldnt put a supernatural tag on human behavior.

Originally posted by Templares
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oooohhh. The influence of conscience is not the same on each individual hence SUBJECTIVE.

Plus, i wouldnt put a supernatural tag on human behavior.

I directed my comments in response to the title of the thread. The conscience is a common, universal thing. I believe it is immaterial (having no physical substance). Thus, I believe that it is proof of the soul's existence. Even people in countries that are warring or predominantly Islamic have consciences. They may not hold the exact same values us Americans but they each have a conscience. But you see the conscience can be seared according to the Bible. It can be ignored and overidden for so long that it becomes almost calloused. That is how a person can commit atrocites although they have a conscience.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Prove to me that you have a soul.

Do we have a soul, and if we do, how do you know this to be true?

Give me your proof.

Prove 2 me u don't!

N I don't hav time answerin ppl's bizarre qs.

Originally posted by maham
Prove 2 me u don't!

N I don't hav time answerin ppl's bizarre qs.

You can't prove the non existence of something in such a case...you have the burden to prove to us that you are right when claiming such a thing.

Originally posted by Bardock42
You can't prove the non existence of something in such a case...you have the burden to prove to us that you are right when claiming such a thing.

correct.

There is no proof to anything in life, unless it is proof to you. Personally, I feel that there must be a soul, or some conscious force bigger in dimension and effect than the body. It's more about feeling, rather than knowing or proving.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
I think it would be highly interesting if Science could in fact study the spirit. I mean we already study the mind....so why not ?

We have never studied the "mind" brain yes, "mind" no. What we study is behavior and then cognitive types infer that they have studied the "mind". There has never been actual study of "mind". "mind" is the exact same as "spirit" in our level of study of it. Responses and cognitive thought do not necessitate a "mind" it only necessitates brain function, also thoughts do not necessitate "mind". We have no study that necessitates the existence of a nonphysical "mind"/consciousness. Scientifically there is exactly the same amount of study of "mind" as there is study of "spirit".

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Having one is not.

Actually, conscience is believed to be taught by a large number of psychologists. There is no evidence for conscience existing without experience, and so it is a phenomena that is impossible to study without history effects interfering with study. The fact that some individuals (serial killers especially imo) appear to not have a conscience as others do may be evidence of the conscience not existing.

Originally posted by Regret
We have never studied the "mind" brain yes, "mind" no. What we study is behavior and then cognitive types infer that they have studied the "mind". There has never been actual study of "mind". "mind" is the exact same as "spirit" in our level of study of it. Responses and cognitive thought do not necessitate a "mind" it only necessitates brain function, also thoughts do not necessitate "mind". We have no study that necessitates the existence of a nonphysical "mind"/consciousness. Scientifically there is exactly the same amount of study of "mind" as there is study of "spirit".

Behaviors and thoughts are studied. And all behaviors and thoughts are spawned from the mind.

So yes, as Abstract as the mind is, we have studied it. We just don't have as much knowledge of it as we do the physical things in life.

but how do we know our knowledge of this physical world is really that accurate? One of the first things they teach us in psychology is that no one sees the world for what it truly is. We can't truly comprehend the external world, we can only translate it to our perceptions.

No. I can't prove you have a soul.

Originally posted by FeceMan
No. I can't prove you have a soul.

Prove it.

Originally posted by Regret
Actually, conscience is believed to be taught by a large number of psychologists. There is no evidence for conscience existing without experience, and so it is a phenomena that is impossible to study without history effects interfering with study. The fact that some individuals (serial killers especially imo) appear to not have a conscience as others do may be evidence of the conscience not existing.

Romans 2:15
who show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and between themselves their thoughts accusing or else excusing them )

John 8:9
Then those who heard it, being convicted by their conscience , went out one by one, beginning with the oldest even to the last. And Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst.

1 Timothy 4:2
speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their own conscience seared with a hot iron ,

Serial killers were not always serial killers. They were once children who grew up into adults. They have a conscience just like every other human being. Their conscience is just "seared" from being ignored and overidden for so long. Conscience is God's law as it were written on our hearts (fig., an internal guide or law of right and wrong). We don't need someone to tell us that taking something that does not belong to us is wrong we just know. We don't need someone to sit down and expound the Bible to know that taking someone's life is wrong. We just know this (internally).