Originally posted by Sixth_Winged
Also should be noted, he has also had trouble reforming from being dispersed(Superman annual 9), rendered powerless by shock pods in the city of kandor and have a limit cap on energy and radiation absorption(MOS 67).
See? Here we go. Surfer has been Ko'd by Iron man absorbing his energy.
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Transmutation is one thing....converting energy to matter is probably more difficult.Also matching the energy signature of someone who can do anything they think of and forcibly reversing them is a feat in itself.
My other point is that Surfer has never turned an enemy into wood during a battle either...especially another "herald" level character.
Uh SS swallowed the power from a red sun, he beefed up and of course overflow of energy, thats converting energy to matter and containing it to boot.
Thats alot more energy then I have seen Blue Superman handle.
Originally posted by Soleran
Uh SS swallowed the power from a red sun, he beefed up and of course overflow of energy, thats converting energy to matter and containing it to boot.Thats alot more energy then I have seen Blue Superman handle.
How is that converting energy to matter? Where does it say it on panel?
Why would Superman blue need to absorb a sun? He's done a whole lot with a lot less energy. Maybe SS needs more energy?
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
How is that converting energy to matter? Where does it say it on panel?Why would Superman blue need to absorb a sun? He's done a whole lot with a lot less energy. Maybe SS needs more energy?
All that matter's for this discussion is that SS is capable of such a feat, not what the outcome was, simply that he could with no trouble.
Red Suns are alot bigger then Yellow Suns and the energy produced is prodigiously greater then anything on Earth.
Now that I am out of my SS pajamas though I am afraid my fighting condition is weakened and my friend I will have to debate with you another time about Superman Blue and SS!
And I believe this version of Superman has the greatest chances of overcoming SS consistently.
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
See? Here we go. Surfer has been Ko'd by Iron man absorbing his energy.
One fight, the rest has been pretty much one-sided. Have you seen their other fights? Not saying there's an excuse and all cause i'd be a hypocrite if i did. Just goes to show Superman blue ain't that invulnerable to something just because he had a one time good showing against that factor. If it did, Surfer would be unbeatable right now considering just how really high up there would his one-time good showings do for him.
Originally posted by Soleran
And I believe this version of Superman has the greatest chances of overcoming SS consistently.
This seems a lot more sensible. They both have the ability to take each other out..and since NEITHER is omnipotent (shown many times for both) it just depends on who gets who first.
Originally posted by Sixth_Winged
One fight, the rest has been pretty much one-sided. Have you seen their other fights? Not saying there's an excuse and all cause i'd be a hypocrite if i did. Just goes to show Superman blue ain't that invulnerable to something just because he had a one time good showing against that factor. If it did, Surfer would be unbeatable right now considering just how really high up there would his one-time good showings do for him.
It shows that NEITHER side is invincible and that both could be vulnerable to the same things despite all their power.
They both have pretty insane energy feats...and I would imagine that if DC had not switched Supes back, he would have a whole lot more of them.
Originally posted by Tshern
So it's kinda dead even, huh?
In a way, yes.
It shows that NEITHER side is invincible and that both could be vulnerable to the same things despite all their power.
I don't see anyone claiming that, but i'd be lying if i say i find them equal in terms of feats. There are just too many powers surfer has displayed that just tips it out to his favor IMO like time manipulation, tk, entrapment(to his board), making a clone with it's own powers, synthesizing magical energies(odinpower), nulling gravity unconciously, body shrinking, cosmic awareness, etc.
Originally posted by Sixth_Winged
I don't see anyone claiming that, but i'd be lying if i say i find them equal in terms of feats. There are just too many powers surfer has displayed that just tips it out to his favor IMO like time manipulation, tk, entrapment(to his board), making a clone with it's own powers, synthesizing magical energies(odinpower), nulling gravity unconciously, body shrinking, cosmic awareness, etc.
Well, of course he's going to have more feats...the character has been around a lot longer...Energy Supes was only around for about a year.
However, like Surfer himself Supes would develop new abilities depending on the storyline. He also has the appropriate tools to take out SS and vice versa. There hasn't been an energy that Blue Supes wasn't able to control.
Besides, for all thier powers cosmics always end up going H2H anyway.
Originally posted by Rolscan u tell me what T-vo is? i hear alot about it, but i dont know what it is
I highly doubt it, wrestling with Asmodel and the Millenium giant.. In that state he has more power/versatility w/ no weakness.. but normal Supes did turn a whatchamacalled it wheel and lets not forget T-vo.. I prefer energies/matter manipulation than t-vo..