Surfer can enter hyperspace for his speed. Flash can enter speed force.
Surfer can rend space with his power cosmic to create a dimensional bridge between earth and pluto.
At their closest points, Earth and pluto and 2.67 billion miles apart.
The speed of light is 186,000 miles per second, roughly. Meaning it would take roughly 14,354.838709677 seconds if you were going light speed. Also roughly, the equivalent of 239.247312 minutes, and also 3.987455 hours
So if flash is even running 1000's of times the speed of light as some people claim, it would still take him 1.43548 seconds to get from here to earth. then back. about 8.61288 seconds for the whole race.
Time to rend space for surfer? 1 second. time to run back through dimensional rend? a few seconds. Traversing through space and time by perverting the laws of physics? Priceless. For everyone else, the power cosmic.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
THe Speed Force Grants flash infinite speed at his disposal plus all inertia related kinds of powers. The power cosmic grants surfer vastly powerful energy blast and constructs and matter manipulation and Stuff. SPEED force. POWER cosmic. Obvioulsy the SPEED force is much faster than anything the POWER cosmic can muster up. Flash ftw, every time this thread is brought up. Flash with the speed force is akin to the runner with the gem.
Given the above...
I would say, with his board, the Surfer wins. He has so much Power, that he can warp out, doing so on a regular basis.
AFAIK, Flash generally doesn't do warp and usually not even lightspeed. Yet, because he is basically a speed avatar, he could. In fact, there should be no limit to his speed, being that he embodies its essence.
Surfer wins because (again, afaik) he shows more in-panel feats of FTL capability. But that may be simply because the current Flash doesn't know (not yet, anyway) how to access his own limitless potential. Ultimately, the Essence of Speed is his. He should win.
But given their standard performances, I have to give this to Surfer.
Fully Actualized Flash, on the other hand: there should be nothing faster, by definition. Maybe instead of "Fastest Man Alive," it should be "Fastest. Period."
Originally posted by rotiartFlash's speed feats >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Surfers.
Surfer can enter hyperspace for his speed. Flash can enter speed force.
Surfer can rend space with his power cosmic to create a dimensional bridge between earth and pluto.At their closest points, Earth and pluto and 2.67 billion miles apart.
The speed of light is 186,000 miles per second, roughly. Meaning it would take roughly 14,354.838709677 seconds if you were going light speed. Also roughly, the equivalent of 239.247312 minutes, and also 3.987455 hoursSo if flash is even running 1000's of times the speed of light as some people claim, it would still take him 1.43548 seconds to get from here to earth. then back. about 8.61288 seconds for the whole race.
Time to rend space for surfer? 1 second. time to run back through dimensional rend? a few seconds. Traversing through space and time by perverting the laws of physics? Priceless. For everyone else, the power cosmic.
He's outran instant teleportation a number of times, even across galactic distances.
I don't know why time travel is being mentioned, it shouldn't be allowed in a race like this, neither should speed stealing.
Originally posted by JuntaiI know he did that in the Human Race story, but that was using the speed of every single person on the planet (and Superman, Jessie, Max, Bart, Jay, and Krakkl), it wasn't exactly under his own power. Off the top of my head I can't remember him doing that any other time...
He's outran instant teleportation a number of times, even across galactic distances.
Oh and its not specificed which Flash Surfer is actually meant to be racing, I'm assuming Wally.
Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
The Flash rescuing everyone from Paris wasent that about 92 billion times lightspeed?
"An impossible thing Flash has ever done, saving the entire population from a nuclear explosion by carrying 1-2 people (532,000 people to be exact) at once sending them 35 miles in and out away from the city (70 miles together) in 0.0001 seconds"
http://www.comicboards.com/comicbattles/view.php?rpl=050629054718
If he carried 532,000 people, 1 person at a time, 70 miles per round trip, all in 1/10,000 of a second, that works out to about 2 million times the speed of light. [That's 532,000 x 70 miles x 10,000 (to see how far he could go in a full second) divided by 182,000 (to convert into a multiple of light).]
Quick, but beatable.
Originally posted by Mindship
I don't know if this is what you mean, but..."An impossible thing Flash has ever done, saving the entire population from a nuclear explosion by carrying 1-2 people (532,000 people to be exact) at once sending them 35 miles in and out away from the city (70 miles together) in 0.0001 seconds"
http://www.comicboards.com/comicbattles/view.php?rpl=050629054718If he carried 532,000 people, 1 person at a time, 70 miles per round trip, all in 1/10,000 of a second, that works out to about [B]2 million
times the speed of light. [That's 532,000 x 70 miles x 10,000 (to see how far he could go in a full second) divided by 182,000 (to convert into a multiple of light).]Quick, but beatable. [/B]
My friend officially sucks at math then since he got a completely different answer. Here’s what he got:
Speed of light = 186,000 miles per second (thats seven times around the equator in a second)
source - http://www.answers.com/Speed%20of%20light
Total distance flash travelled to bring one set of people to safety - 35 * 2 = 70 miles.
Therefore TOTAL distance travelled is - 70 * 250,000 people = 17,500,000 miles. (assuming he moved two people at once)
Time taken to do that was - 0.00001 microsecond (and 1 microsecond is 1 millionth of a second)
source - http://www.answers.com/microsecond
So time in seconds is - 0.00001 / 1,000,000 = 0.00000000001 seconds
So the speed, flash was travelling at was - 17,500,000 / 0.00000000001 = 1750000000000000000 miles per second.
So if the speed of light was 186,000 mile per second.
Flash was travelling at - 1750000000000000000 / 186000 = 9400000000000 times the speed of light.
Which is 9400000 million times the speed of light.
Originally posted by I watch Pokemon
My friend officially sucks at math then since he got a completely different answer. Here’s what he got:Speed of light = 186,000 miles per second (thats seven times around the equator in a second)
source - http://www.answers.com/Speed%20of%20lightTotal distance flash travelled to bring one set of people to safety - 35 * 2 = 70 miles.
Therefore TOTAL distance travelled is - 70 * 250,000 people = 17,500,000 miles. (assuming he moved two people at once)
Time taken to do that was - 0.00001 microsecond (and 1 microsecond is 1 millionth of a second)
source - http://www.answers.com/microsecondSo time in seconds is - 0.00001 / 1,000,000 = 0.00000000001 seconds
So the speed, flash was travelling at was - 17,500,000 / 0.00000000001 = 1750000000000000000 miles per second.
So if the speed of light was 186,000 mile per second.
Flash was travelling at - 1750000000000000000 / 186000 = 9400000000000 times the speed of light.
Which is 9400000 million times the speed of light.
How this is a debate I don't know, Flash takes this 10/10 and if he recites the speed formula then he now gains control of time via his battle with Zoom.
Originally posted by Jesse7
How this is a debate I don't know, Flash takes this 10/10 and if he recites the speed formula then he now gains control of time via his battle with Zoom.
But Surfer has comparable speed feats.
But those are obviously going to be ignored, right?
You really hate Surfer, don't you??
By the way you rant against him, i'd say he transmuted your mother into a cup of applesauce and feed her to your toothless grandfather.
Don't hold grudges against fictional characters b.
Originally posted by Jesse7What the heck are you talking about? Flash didnt gain control of time in his fight with Zoom
How this is a debate I don't know, Flash takes this 10/10 and if he recites the speed formula then he now gains control of time via his battle with Zoom.
And like I said already, I don't know why people bring up time travel feats for either character when this is just meant to be a regular race
Originally posted by I watch Pokemon
My friend officially sucks at math then since he got a completely different answer. Here’s what he got:Speed of light = 186,000 miles per second (thats seven times around the equator in a second)
source - http://www.answers.com/Speed%20of%20lightTotal distance flash travelled to bring one set of people to safety - 35 * 2 = 70 miles.
Therefore TOTAL distance travelled is - 70 * 250,000 people = 17,500,000 miles. (assuming he moved two people at once)
Time taken to do that was - 0.00001 microsecond (and 1 microsecond is 1 millionth of a second)
source - http://www.answers.com/microsecondSo time in seconds is - 0.00001 / 1,000,000 = 0.00000000001 seconds
So the speed, flash was travelling at was - 17,500,000 / 0.00000000001 = 1750000000000000000 miles per second.
So if the speed of light was 186,000 mile per second.
Flash was travelling at - 1750000000000000000 / 186000 = 9400000000000 times the speed of light.
Which is 9400000 million times the speed of light.
The problem here is that your friend said .00001 seconds, and you are saying micro seconds, you are adding 6 zeros where he was not. Does someone have the scans?