Originally posted by darthsith19
Revan and Malak for sure, Sith'ari and Darth Sexy have provided alot of proof in the Mace and Kyle vs. Revan and Obi-Wan thread that Revan > Mace and since Malak is considered to be on Dooku's level if not higher I can't see Depa beating him.
Oh yeah? Tell me, how can they provide proof supporting a completely unknown character versus one that we know a lot about.
Mace and Depa win.
Originally posted by Darth Sexy
I love the logic on this forum. "These characters are unknown, so they automatcally lose". Aside from Nai, I've yet to see anyone provide an argument for Mace>Revan.
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Revan:
- force and lightsaber prodigy
- a decade (maybe) of training
- 3 years (at max) for combat experience
- defeated some powerful non-force users (Yusanis, Mandalore)
- defeated Darth Malak
Mace:
- force and lightsaber prodigy
- 5 decades of training
- 3 years (minimum) of combat experience (Clone Wars) - obviously enough fights before to gain a legendary reputation that made a gang of 14 bandits run away from him and let some "soldiers" on Haruun Kal feel glad that they survived a confrontation with a naked Mace
- creator of the "most deadly style of lightsaber combat"
- mastered multiple forms at the age of 13
- defeated Sidious in lightsaber combat
- was able to contend with Yoda in sheer lightsaber combat
- fought people like Dooku, Yoda, Depa, Kar Vastor (practice, real combat)
- completely tooled Asajj Ventress in direct confrontation
- took on entire armies of battle droids and brought down the hoover tank on Dantooine when most of his Clone Troops were killed by that think
- READ "SHATTERPOINT"
Who wins here ? I'd say the guy with more training and combat experience who - isn't Revan.
Depa vs Malak ?
Malak had his jar removed by some Jedi. Malak had to take down Revan with a backstabing action being unable to challenge him in direct confrontation.
Depa was the second youngest regular Council Member (behind Mace, Anakin doesn't count) ever (meaning she's quite powerful in terms of force powers) and Mace personally states that her bladework surpassed his Vaapad while Yoda tells Mace that Mace might be the only Jedi that is possibly able to stop her.
Hm...let me see. Even if Mace does not defeat Revan (after a long fight though), Depa would finish Malak turning this into Depa + Mace vs Revan.
Jedi win...
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Revan:
- force and lightsaber prodigy
- a decade (maybe) of training
- 3 years (at max) for combat experience
- defeated some powerful non-force users (Yusanis, Mandalore)
- defeated Darth Malak
Mace:
- force and lightsaber prodigy
- 5 decades of training
- 3 years (minimum) of combat experience (Clone Wars) - obviously enough fights before to gain a legendary reputation that made a gang of 14 bandits run away from him and let some "soldiers" on Haruun Kal feel glad that they survived a confrontation with a naked Mace
- creator of the "most deadly style of lightsaber combat"
- mastered multiple forms at the age of 13
- defeated Sidious in lightsaber combat
- was able to contend with Yoda in sheer lightsaber combat
- fought people like Dooku, Yoda, Depa, Kar Vastor (practice, real combat)
- completely tooled Asajj Ventress in direct confrontation
- took on entire armies of battle droids and brought down the hoover tank on Dantooine when most of his Clone Troops were killed by that think
- READ "SHATTERPOINT"'
I'd just like to point out that Revan actually got some real life battle experience against other force users in those three years, Mace fought what, like 9 times against force users (Dooku, Sidious, Grievous (twice?), Assaj, Bulq, Depa, Kar and Vos)?
Not to mention the fact that you are completely overrating Mace's feats, and underrating Revan's. Revan has done far more than you've listed, for instance he defeated two Tarentateks at once, and Mace hardly tooled Assaj for instance.
Originally posted by Advent
Revan wasn't even in the Mandalorian Wars the entire time. And he was called "The Heart of the Force" by Kreia, which amounts to about jack shit.
1.) I didn't say it was the whole time
2.) Kreia is very smart/wise, and knows what she's talking about, she had very powerful foresight
How does it mean jack shit Advent? She was clearly reliable when she said that Exile was the death of the force - he was a hole in the force and she was clearly able to see it through him - she does have powerful foresight as Kreigur just pointed out.
Now the fact that she says looking at Revan was like looking at the heart of the force, means that he must have been incredibly strong in the force, presumably the strongest she had ever seen and wasn't she around during Kun's sith wars?