Originally posted by Sith'ari
Oh and aggrandizement? lol I have no clue what that means. I checked on google definition and all it said was something to do with wealth.
It means to make something seem greater than it actually is. An "overexaggeration" if you will. Simple. You learn that crap in high school (probably even middle schools nowadays)! Pay attention.
Anyways, basically hyperbole.
Originally posted by Advent
It means to make something seem greater than it actually is. An "overexaggeration" if you will. Simple. You learn that crap in high school (probably even middle schools nowadays)! Pay attention.Anyways, basically hyperbole.
lol. 'Simple'? 'Pay Attention'? 😆
I'm 13, and I've never come across the term and google definition made it clear to me at the time that it only had something to do with wealth. Are you sure you didn't get it wrong? 😛
And how does that make Revan the "Heart of the Force"? What does that even mean? If you want to look at it in a literal sense, as soon as Revan dies - there goes the Force, and all that.
If she doesn't overestimate, then I guess any old Ancient Sith can beat the shit out of the Exile, and everyone else.
"If you were to face an ancient Sith in combat, you would learn that we are as children playing with toys compared to the prowess of the old Masters."
And again, everyone praises Revan like a god in the games. And he was Kreia's pupil.
Originally posted by Sith'ari
lol. 'Simple'? 'Pay Attention'? 😆I'm 13, and I've never come across the term and google definition made it clear to me at the time that it only had something to do with wealth. Are you sure you didn't get it wrong? 😛
Wow. I always thought you were my age. Like around 20 or something, possibly even late teens.
In any case, "google definition" whatever that is sucks in comparison to the ultimate definition website, dictionary.com:
aggrandizement
1. to widen in scope; increase in size or intensity; enlarge; extend.
2. to make great or greater in power, wealth, rank, or honor.
3. to make (something) appear greater.
Synonyms 2. inflate, strengthen, exalt. 3. magnify.
Antonyms 1. reduce. 2. diminish. 3. minimize.
I deleted some of the crap that comes up in wingdings, but here.
Perhaps he doesn't die? We don't know yet, and there is still the thing that he might remain as a Force Ghost, as Obi-Wan said, "More powerful than you can possibly imagine" Qui-Gon was referred to in the movies as achieving Immortality.
Heart of the Force could means tons of things, but you would have to be powerful, it sounds just like a title of the Chosen One
Originally posted by Advent
And how does that make Revan the "Heart of the Force"? What does that even mean? If you lwant to look at it in a literal sense, as soon as Revan dies - there goes the Force, and all that.If she doesn't overestimate, then I guess any old Ancient Sith can beat the shit out of the Exile, and everyone else.
"If you were to face [b]an
ancient Sith in combat, you would learn that we are as children playing with toys compared to the prowess of the old Masters."And again, everyone praises Revan like a god in the games. And he was Kreia's pupil. [/B]
1. I never stated that he was the heart of the force Motoko. Neither did Kreia, she states 'looking into his eyes was like looking into the heart of the force'. Key word - like. And 'Heart of the Force' is clearly being used by her as a metaphor. And she really wouldn't have a reason to lie to The Exile, she could possibly overestimate Revan but this is still unlikely, she seemed realistic and wise.
Also, she was clearly reliable when she said that Exile was the death of the force - he was a hole in the force and she was clearly able to see it through him - she does have powerful foresight.
Now the fact that she says looking at Revan was like looking at the heart of the force, means that he must have been incredibly strong in the force, presumably the strongest she had ever seen and wasn't she around during Kun's sith wars?
Now you see, she seems to give a reliable account of what looking at the Exile was like at the same moment that she gives an account of what looking at what Revan was like, and she does so much in the same way, which leads me to believe that her word in this instance is reliable.
2. Firstly, when she says this, she is probably being less genuine anyways (might have been trying to prepare The Exile if she were to join Revan and take them on) but nonetheless, I still don't see what's wrong with this statement. Most of the old masters probably would tool Revan and The Exile. We've seen what Sadow can do. We've seen what Ragnos' sceptor can do. We've see how overpowered minor force users get when in possesion of their artifacts and teachings. Most of the old masters like Ragnos, Sadow and Pall probably would tool them, badly.
'Wow. I always thought you were my age. Like around 20 or something, possibly even late teens.
In any case, "google definition" whatever that is sucks in comparison to the ultimate definition website, dictionary.com:
aggrandizement
1. to widen in scope; increase in size or intensity; enlarge; extend.
2. to make great or greater in power, wealth, rank, or honor.
3. to make (something) appear greater.
Synonyms 2. inflate, strengthen, exalt. 3. magnify.
Antonyms 1. reduce. 2. diminish. 3. minimize.
I deleted some of the crap that comes up in wingdings, but here.'
lol really? Even when I first registered?
Well that's cool, I've been trying to learn a new word every single day, so today's word can be agramizement.
Originally posted by Adas
I'd just like to point out that Revan actually got some real life battle experience against other force users in those three years, Mace fought what, like 9 times against force users (Dooku, Sidious, Grievous (twice?), Assaj, Bulq, Depa, Kar and Vos)?
Oh...he did ? Where, huh ?
All Jedi were fighting on his side during the Mandalorian Wars. So...not there.
In the "Jedi Civil War" he commanded assassination squads to take down the Jedi. So...not there...
So according to canon material Revan just took down Malak, the three apprentices and Bastilla on his own and nobody else.
Not to mention the fact that you are completely overrating Mace's feats, and underrating Revan's. Revan has done far more than you've listed, for instance he defeated two Tarentateks at once, and Mace hardly tooled Assaj for instance.
Wow. Revan defeated two Tarentateks at once ? How ? By tossing a thermal detonator into the room ? By detonating them with grenades ? We don't know. And Mace did tool Asajj in combat - just read his words in the situation. I remember something like "You might be good with that blades but you have no chance..."
And 'Heart of the Force' is clearly being used by her as a metaphor.Now the fact that she says looking at Revan was like looking at the heart of the force, means that he must have been incredibly strong in the force, presumably the strongest she had ever seen and wasn't she around during Kun's sith wars?
What great logic. So...the "heart of the force" is a metaphor ? For what ? Power ? Maybe she just thought Revan's eyes were beautiful. Maybe she was just refering to his will to gain power. Maybe she was only talking about the fact that she thought Revan was the most gifted among their students.
But wait...she also calls the Exile the strongest she ever trained, while saying he's a child next to the ancient Sith and their fighting prowess. Hmm...looks like Revan isn't actualy the God of the SW universe.
To go even further: If the Exile is a child compared to the ancients and probably near Revan in terms of power while Yoda is more powerful than people who did defeat Ancient Sith in direct confrontation (Odan, Thon) and Mace comes close to him in terms of lightsaber duelling - how can Revan even hope to defeat Mace in direct confrontation ?
If you want to base your entire argument on Kreia's statement, then I can do the same and Revan and Malak are pwned. Or you realize that Kreia is a fallible source and then - sorry to say - you have basically no base to argue that Revan + Malak > Mace + Depa.
Thon defeated Sith on Ambria, or dark Jedi? And do you have evidence of who it was exactly that Odan Urr defeated during and after the Great Hyperspace Wars? As we have seen, there is nothing to suggest all of the ancient sith are uber, just because they are ancient sith. Aside from Ragnos, Simus, Sadow, and Kressh, all of the other ancient sith we see in GAOTS could be as good as an average Jedi. Also, what makes you think Kreia wasn't talking about the likes of those 4 powerful ancient sith, or the likes of Tulak Hord and Ajunta Pall who she also mentioned? Saying Yoda was better than people that defeated ancient sith(who may or not have been the more powerful ones), isn't a very compelling argument.
Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Also, what makes you think Kreia wasn't talking about the likes of those 4 powerful ancient sith, or the likes of Tulak Hord and Ajunta Pall who she also mentioned?
Because her quote says "an ancient Sith", notice she doesn't even add "Lord" or anything else.
"If you were to face an ancient Sith in combat, you would learn that we are as children playing with toys..."
Originally posted by Advent
Because her quote says "an ancient Sith", notice she doesn't even add "Lord" or anything else."If you were to face [b]an
ancient Sith in combat, you would learn that we are as children playing with toys..." [/B]
So she's obviously speaking of the ancient sith ability in saber/sword combat. If that's the case I wonder why everyone is downplaying Sadow and Kressh's fighting abilities.