Originally posted by Versyn Gaul
So would there not need to be millions of different RNA sequences to produce different branchings of life. If it all came from the same original RNA Protein synthesis then how does science account for the different variations of life.
I don't know how many different RNA sequences there was in the beginning, but one thing I am sure of is that nature always finds a way.
the bible and the big bang
New Creation Of Heaven And Earth
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The meaning of the word Genesis is origin, and thus the book Genesis must explain how everything came to be.
Scientists have it that 20 billion years ago, creation (as we know it today), started off with the so-called Big Bang. Some scientists now draw the line forward to about 15 billion years ago. Figures play a big role in the deciphering of the symbols of the Bible, and 15 billion years doesn’t fit in.
Lets say the present creation is 20 billion years in existence; now divide 6 creation days into 20 billion years. You’ll find that each day equals 3,333 billion years.
Let us now discuss these days.
We will give you the Hebrew meaning of the relevant words.
Day 1 Gen 1:1 in the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
*The conclusion is that he created two separate “places” namely: a spiritual place and a physical place or an invisible place and a visible place.
Verse 2; and the earth was without form and void.
Void meaning: to be empty, hollow, vacuity, emptiness, tremble inward, palpitate, suddenly agitated, glisten, shining (white or red marble) a ruin.
*From this we can conclude: it was a vacuity that became unstable/agitated/the gathering of waste. We can probably say that the vacuity was “sucking in” the tiny visible components of the universe.
Without form: waste or desolation – worthless.
*The “earth” at that stage was without form because of the instability, the palpitation, and the agitation of this matter creating an abyss, a hurricane, or a tornado. (See spirit below)
Also it became worthless. We discuss this in another chapter.
Verse 2 cont: and darkness was upon the face of the deep
Darkness: (Hebrew meaning😉 enhanced darkness, misery, destruction, death, sorrow, dark night, and obscurity.
*Enhanced darkness = to become more and more visible/fossilized.
*This gathering of matter became more and more dense, obscured and visible (not transparent) we can conclude that the visible is called darkness a place of misery and sorrow.
Face: the part that turns namely these “turning” masses that gathered.
Deep: an abyss, a surging mass, to make an uproar, to agitate greatly, destroy, move, make a noise, to ring again, a pat
*This describes a boiling mass reaching a point of explosion, making great noise/an uproar. (it will be impossible for us to even imagine or describe this noise.)
If we now rephrase the following; darkness was on the face of the deep, we could perhaps read it as follow; this turning abyss became more and more visible, but did not had any specific form yet, logically.
Verse 2 cont.: and the spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters
Spirit: (Hebrew) wind, breath, air, anger, smell, violent, by resemblance spirit or a tempest. The meaning of spirit in the New Testament hasn’t the same meaning.
*This violent tempest/hurricane is called the spirit of God. This tempest was a result of this turning abyss.
Face: the part that turns (the abyss)
Water: the meaning of water in this respect is; a fountain or an eye, which clearly describes this turning boiling/whirlpool masses. We are used to call the center of a hurricane the eye.
Verse 3: and God said, let there be light. And there was light
This violent tempest, this turning boiling mass, called spirit, exploded. This describes the so-called Big Bang of 20 billion years ago.
Light: to set on fire, to cause or make luminous.
This “abyss”, this turning tower of masses, fell over from north to south and “burst open” in the midst according to the bible.
You now may argue and say that The Spirit of God is not a tempest. My friend, God has more than “one side” and has different “powers”. In fact the bible says God has 7 different spirits. This is discussed in detail in another chapter.
Verse 4: God saw the light that it was good, and God divided the light from darkness
As we explained; before this explosion, “space” became obscured (enhanced darkness the bible says) and “milky” because of the visible matter floating in space and gathered as worthless material. After this explosion, these milky particles were forming visible objects (planets, stars and sun) to leave the space “clear as water”. This is the division.
I say; the division is the separation of the visible particles from the “air”.
And God called the light day and the darkness he called night
He called the “cleared” space light or day (transparent) and he called the visible objects darkness or night. During our discussions you will learn how important it is “to know” that God calls the visible darkness.
God called the heaven light or day and the visible earth darkness or night
Now we are at the end of day one or past period 3,333 billion years in creation.
Day 2 Verse 6: God said, let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
Waters: different heavens (atmospheres)(spirits) we discuss it in another chapter of this manuscript. (Noah’s ark that had three story’s, in fact symbolizes three different heavens) We can conclude that the heavens are called “waters.”
“Atmospheres” form around the “planets”. A dome (firmament) forms between these atmospheres, which seals in each atmospheres own spirit or atoms, impenetrable from each other. (See Noah’s ark) A division was put in between the spirit of the planets and the spirits of the heavens above (the interplanetary).
Verse 8: and God named the firmament heaven. (Or different layers of the atmosphere)
Water: spirit or heaven = transparent substance or clear substance.
Day 3
The logical creation order now brings us to verse 14 (6,666 billion years after the Big Bang) God said: let there be lights in the firmament of heaven to divide the day from the night and let them be for signs and for seasons, and for days and years.
· “We” move into a time zone, whereas previously it was timeless. Further; gasses started to gather, collect and compacted together and started to “light up” like the sun. Others like the moon, acted as mirrors, reflecting light.
Verse 16: God made two great lights; the greater light TO RULE the day and the lesser light TO RULE the night, he also made the stars.
*Sun as energy in the day.
*Moon as energy for sleep, both needed for growth.
It is clearly stated; to rule.
The meaning of to rule is; to have dominion or to have power.
We can conclude that the sun and moon played a big role in creation during this time for they have dominion.
Verse 17: God set them in the firmament of the heavens to give light upon the earth.
Light; light in this respect means; light as an element or cheerfulness.
The universe doesn’t at all look the way you see it. Think about this: if there was a Big Bang that has changed the universe 20 billion years ago, then the following possibilities could well be true…
When you see a star “explode” it could have happened millions of years ago. But you only see a flash of it now, because we are bound to time in the form of light years. Imagine seeing for the first time the light of a “new born star” in the night sky, and the particular light has taken 10 billion years to reach earth, then:
· It could have been totally transformed by now.
· It might have already burnt out or ceased to exist (in other words by the time you see the light of a new star, that same star could already cease to exist for perhaps 10 billion years.)
· if you perhaps use the following hypothesis; you could perhaps have a telescope where you can now at this moment “see” this planet with even moving creatures on it although it doesn’t exist for the past 10 billion years, because the light only now reach you.
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Day 4: 9,999 billion or rather 10 billion years after the Big Bang
God said, let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place and let the dry land appear.
“Earth” was “liquid” with a heavy “mineral” content. The liquid and minerals divided, and land appeared. God called the dry substance land or earth, and the gathering of the waters he called sea.
Once divided, rain or fog could start, because the earth is warm and water cold as a result winds started and brought forth rain, which was necessary for the development of plants. See Gen.2: 4-6.
Verse 11: and God said, let the earth bring forth grass, herb yielding seed and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself upon the earth
The Hebrew meaning for the word grass describes something similar to algae, which developed into herb and later into distinct species of trees etc. (to its kind)
Logically sea or water plants also started like algae.
Day 5: Verse 20: God said, let the waters bring forth abundantly, the moving creatures that has life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
Moving creatures: a swarm of minute animals, creeping or moving things (organisms).
Life: to come alive (however they are not breathing creatures yet.)
Now for the first time life with “real” spirit and movement roams the land.
Verse 21: God created great whales and living creatures, which the water brought forth abundantly, after their kind and every winged fowl after his kind (the word “his” is used because it refers to male)
Whales: monsters.
Living creatures: breathing creatures/animals/mental (they started to develop a mind and lungs).
The first creatures were moving creatures with life, which have now evolved into living creatures that have breath.
Day 6: Verse 24: God said, let the earth bring forth living creatures (on day 5 the water brought forth creatures) of its kind, cattle, and creeping things, and beasts of the earth after its kind.
God said: verse 26; let us make man in our image, after our likeness.
Verse 27: so God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him.
I have no idea how the earth/world came into creation, nor do I really care. Why should I? It was how many billion years ago?
The theory of the Big Bang and the theory of creation are just that-theories. We have no direct proof that 'God' created the world, anymore than we have proof of the universe going KABOOM and BANG-there's the world. 😕
Originally posted by The Howling
I have no idea how the earth/world came into creation, nor do I really care. Why should I? It was how many billion years ago?The theory of the Big Bang and the theory of creation are just that-theories. We have no direct proof that 'God' created the world, anymore than we have proof of the universe going KABOOM and BANG-there's the world. 😕
Re: the bible and the big bang
the facts here consist upon one unbased assumption after the next. your probably getting this from some site or preacher. such arguments however are undermined by the fact that it is taking the verses of the bible out of context locally and wholistically, furthermore that is translating the verses in a way as to COMPLY with today's sceintific{atleast the few scientific viewpoints u mentioned} knowledge. problem is, there about a thousand utterly wrong verses {logically/scientifically} of the bible in opposition to one vaguely/interpretively right one.
Originally posted by The Howling
I have no idea how the earth/world came into creation, nor do I really care. Why should I? It was how many billion years ago?The theory of the Big Bang and the theory of creation are just that-theories. We have no direct proof that 'God' created the world, anymore than we have proof of the universe going KABOOM and BANG-there's the world. 😕
Originally posted by inimalist
we do have proof of the big bang. almost smoking gun proofCOSMIC MICROWAVE BACKGROUND RADIATION
Re: Re: the bible and the big bang
Originally posted by leonheartmm
the facts here consist upon one unbased assumption after the next. your probably getting this from some site or preacher. such arguments however are undermined by the fact that it is taking the verses of the bible out of context locally and wholistically, furthermore that is translating the verses in a way as to COMPLY with today's sceintific{atleast the few scientific viewpoints u mentioned} knowledge. problem is, there about a thousand utterly wrong verses {logically/scientifically} of the bible in opposition to one vaguely/interpretively right one.
Re: Re: Re: the bible and the big bang
Originally posted by johannes
what do you believe? how did everything came into being?
or do you believe nothing? maybe you stated before i havent gone through all the posts.
i do not BELIEVE the same way you do. i believe that there is good REASON to believe sumthing is true or not{for instance, i believe the big bang theory is very plausable and theres good reason to believe its true. }. i also believe that evolution has a very very strong case for itself, perhaps it isnt as simple as simple uniform macroevolution, but i believe that probably, we came into being as a result of sum very or basicallly, similar process as evolution, if not the textbook definition of evolution itself. perhaps the universe/its constituents have existed forever, perhaps they came into being. sumthing, of which i can be almost 99.9% sure{allowing the 1 % as its possible that im in a zine right now where im not capable of making any coeherent thought and am illogically percieving wrong thins to be right and vice versa} is that christianity's{and judaism/hinduism/islam} explanation of creation and the relegion as a whole is completely and utterly false.
Re: Re: Re: Re: the bible and the big bang
Originally posted by leonheartmm
i do not BELIEVE the same way you do. i believe that there is good REASON to believe sumthing is true or not{for instance, i believe the big bang theory is very plausable and theres good reason to believe its true. }. i also believe that evolution has a very very strong case for itself, perhaps it isnt as simple as simple uniform macroevolution, but i believe that probably, we came into being as a result of sum very or basicallly, similar process as evolution, if not the textbook definition of evolution itself. perhaps the universe/its constituents have existed forever, perhaps they came into being. sumthing, of which i can be almost 99.9% sure{allowing the 1 % as its possible that im in a zine right now where im not capable of making any coeherent thought and am illogically percieving wrong thins to be right and vice versa} is that christianity's{and judaism/hinduism/islam} explanation of creation and the relegion as a whole is completely and utterly false.
personally i believe that "church" misuse the bible which is a manual to reveal knowledge and maybe you and me are not to far apart. the bible uses the word "to its kind" to describe the creation of life. this word has exactly the same meaning as the word evolution namely to create diversity.
i want to post the following for you to read;
Let us now look at the descendants of Cain after he impregnated his mother, and she conceived and gave birth to Enoch.
You must remember that in the previous discussion, Eve = Earth and Cain is now the spirit in heaven or in the brain of the creatures on earth.
The meaning of Enoch is a diversion of a mortal being.
After the birth of Enoch, his father Cain built a city with this same name, which means the earthly creatures became mortal/ die.
The meaning of City in this respect (Hebrew) = opening the eyes, to wake (be aware, get wise) to lift up, a guard, a watch, an angel, wakefulness, bearing a burden.
The city was in the east of Eden your face and the description of the place of the city is your forehead, in the front part of your brain.
This creature Enoch was the first step, the first creature “to manufacture” the modern, intelligent human specie as of today, developed over millions of years.
Enoch, this mortal creature, could only make sounds of; sigh, groaning, and mourning. This sound is described as the sound of a lizard. The word Enoch is described as a male person, a single being. He was bisexual, hermaphroditic, an amphibious being.
He impregnated “ himself “ and Irad was born.
The first life were all bisexual creatures and most of them multiplied by way of eggs. They were also dumb, meaning they had no hearing and no sound. Hearing and sound were developed only after the sea creatures started to come on dry land. It is logic because the creatures in the sea did not had a need for these two senses.
The meaning of Irad is deviations of words like: a fugitive, to sequester it self, a wild ass, a naked creature, (he had no hair.)
Irad impregnated himself and begat Mehujael. But it would be clearer to say Irad “evolved” into Mehujael or as the bible say, to the kind of Mehujael.
The meaning of Mehujael is deviations of words like: smitten of God, to stroke or rub, to erase, to smooth as if with oil, to touch, to blot out, to reach out, utterly (supposedly a speech of mimics). Also to have lots of marrow (a nervous system developed)
It’s clear that this was an ape like creature.
This is the reason why “humans” were fruit and herb bearing seedeaters before (Gen; 1: 29) and only later they became meat eaters when they evolved further.
Further the meaning of Mehujael implicates: they, this, those, them, these.
This animal started to reason, be aware of things and its surroundings.
Mehujael impregnated itself and begat Methusael.
The meaning of Methusael is deviations of words like: a missile of attack, dart or spear, an adult of full length, a man, to extend, long, to stretch out, spread out, grow longer and a biter.
He started to walk upright, he is a “ biter with teeth “; he uses his teeth to eat, probably meat or he uses it as a weapon.
Methusael impregnated itself and begat Lamech.
The meaning of Lamech is: teacher or hearer, to receive mentality (intellect), fair speech. Also: what, how, why etc. and to question.
This animal started to reason – ask questions and to have fair speech at that stage. Lamech took him two wives. Adah and Zillah. For the first time there will now be a sexual act between two different animals or bodies.
Zillah means: to shade – defense – bowing – tumble down – setting by a waving motion – hovering over, vibration – to rattle together as ears with shame – teeth in chattering with fear.
This clearly describes a chimpanzee.
Out of this “cross breeding” or cross-fertilization, Zillah bare Tubalcain.
Tubalcain means: to manufacture copper and iron articles – to produce, fruit – increase – flow – carry – lead – to bring.
This animal now started to manufacture and produce. And started carrying things etc.
Zillah also bare Naamah. And for the first time we see the word bare and not begat. There is a difference in meaning. Also for the first time a complete woman is born, she is feminine.
The word begat has the meaning of; to be a midwife. Probably a “midwife” to evolve to the next stage or kind.
The meaning of Naamah is: to be pleasant (different from the male) be agreeable (to the male) to be sweet.
Lamech’s next wife Ada is an improvement of Naamah.
Adah means: testimony – recorder – alter – remove – take pass – advance – passion – to remove ornaments - a witness – a menstrual flux.
This is a new era. This is a “woman” with a menstrual flux – she starts to repeat sound (recorder) – alter sound - do things – make ornaments – she becomes a witness (remembers things)
Now the two atoms of life are split into male and female bodies separately as we know it today and live children are born namely male beings and female beings. Previously only “sons” were born. See Gen. 5.
They started to communicate, hear voices and using different words. In other words started to have speech or a language.
Because Lamech says: Hear my voice, hearken to my speech.
We can also conclude that hearing started to develop.
Adah then bares Jabal and Jubal.
Jabal is the father, founder of tents, cattle.
They started to group like a family, gather together.
Jubal is the founder of musical instruments. Like the harp and organ and they began to communicate with each other (groups)
hope you find it usefull.
the other problem i think why science is batling to undertsand the forming of creation is that they dont know there were a previous universe.
let me know how you feel about this.