Creation vs Evolution

Originally posted by PITT_HAPPENS
It is a fact, is it responsible for creation of life is in question but evolution is not.

No, sorry to burst your bubble but evolution is not a fact it is not even remotely scientific, it is pure urban legend, fairytale, and at most a fictionalized story about the origin of all life.

Questions for Evolutionists
by Dr. Kent Hovind

The test of any theory is whether or not it provides answers to basic questions. Some well-meaning but misguided people think evolution is a reasonable theory to explain man’s questions about the universe. Evolution is not a good theory—it is just a pagan religion masquerading as science.

1. Where did the space for the universe come from?

2. Where did matter come from?

3. Where did the laws of the universe come from (gravity, inertia, etc.)?

4. How did matter get so perfectly organized?

5. Where did the energy come from to do all the organizing?

6. When, where, why, and how did life come from dead matter?

7. When, where, why, and how did life learn to reproduce itself?

8. With what did the first cell capable of sexual reproduction reproduce?

9. Why would any plant or animal want to reproduce more of its kind since this would only make more mouths to feed and decrease the chances of survival? (Does the individual have a drive to survive, or the species? How do you explain this?)

10. How can mutations (recombining of the genetic code) create any new, improved varieties? (Recombining English letters will never produce Chinese books.)

11. Is it possible that similarities in design between different animals prove a common Creator instead of a common ancestor?

12. Natural selection only works with the genetic information available and tends only to keep a species stable. How would you explain the increasing complexity in the genetic code that must have occurred if evolution were true?

13. When, where, why, and how did: a) Single-celled plants become multicelled? (Where are the two- and threecelled intermediates?) b) Single-celled animals evolve? c) Fish change to amphibians? d) Amphibians change to reptiles? e) Reptiles change to birds? (The lungs, bones, eyes, reproductive organs, heart, method of locomotion, body covering, etc., are all very different!) How did the intermediate forms live?

14. When, where, why, how, and from what did: a) Whales evolve? b) Sea horses evolve? c) Bats evolve? d) Eyes evolve? e) Ears evolve? f) Hair, skin, feathers, scales, nails, claws, etc., evolve?

15. Which evolved first (how, and how long, did it work without the others)? a) The digestive system, the food to be digested, the appetite, the ability to find and eat the food, the digestive juices, or the body’s resistance to its own digestive juice (stomach, intestines, etc.)? b) The drive to reproduce or the ability to reproduce? c) The lungs, the mucus lining to protect them, the throat, or the perfect mixture of gases to be breathed into the lungs? d) DNA or RNA to carry the DNA message to cell parts? e) The termite or the flagella in its intestines that actually digest the cellulose? f) The plants or the insects that live on and pollinate the plants? g) The bones, ligaments, tendons, blood supply, or muscles to move the bones? h) The nervous system, repair system, or hormone system? i) The immune system or the need for it?

Originally posted by Robtard
JIA has invested so much time and energy into believing something, that it is now impossible for him to even try and think outside of the box, err, in this case "book", no matter what facts or irrefutable proof comes to light.

My point is that there are no facts to refute. I simply entertain pseudo facts so that I can show the fallacy and expose the contradictions in evolutionary theory.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
This is how he replies when ever I stump him.

I would laugh if it wasn't so tragic.

The truth is that I inadvertenly posted a response in the incorrect thread so I had to go back quickly and delete it so that I could re-post it in the right thread.

But believe what you may.

Originally posted by PITT_HAPPENS
I think a normal person would assume that if you talk to 50 random people and everyone of them thinks you are wrong that there is a good chance that you are, but that is just me. 😉

But I am not wrong. The universe and everything in it was created by Jesus Christ (just like the Bible reveals).

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
But you have to understand the Christian Fundamentalist mind set. The more that other people, outside of their Church, say they are wrong, the more they are right, because they are being persecuted. They are at war with a world filled with demons and devils, and every time someone disagrees with them, it is Satan trying to destroy the truth.

Such insight and yet you have abandoned the Truth in exchange for satan's lie: i.e. all false religions that masquerade as the truth (including Buddhism).

But only Jesus Christ is Truth.

Originally posted by PITT_HAPPENS
You think they would realize they are loosing the war considering that there are over 6 billion people and less than 2 billion Christians. 😱

JUMP TO THE WINNING SIDE

Jesus already gave us the scoop on the whole "majority" statistic. Jesus said, enter in by the narrow gate (the path to Heaven can seem narrow) for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it.
(i.e. into Hell).

Matthew 7:13
“Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it.

Matthew 7:14
Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it.

Luke 13:24
“Strive to enter through the narrow gate, for many, I say to you, will seek to enter and will not be able.

LMFAO once again. "Dr" Kent Hovind, felon.

Patriot University:

"Campus" as of 2006:

OMG this is spam.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
No, sorry to burst your bubble but evolution is not a fact it is not even remotely scientific, it is pure urban legend, fairytale, and at most a fictionalized story about the origin of all life.

[B]Questions for Evolutionists
by Dr. Kent Hovind

The test of any theory is whether or not it provides answers to basic questions. Some well-meaning but misguided people think evolution is a reasonable theory to explain man’s questions about the universe. Evolution is not a good theory—it is just a pagan religion masquerading as science.

1. Where did the space for the universe come from?

2. Where did matter come from?

3. Where did the laws of the universe come from (gravity, inertia, etc.)?

4. How did matter get so perfectly organized?

5. Where did the energy come from to do all the organizing?

6. When, where, why, and how did life come from dead matter?

7. When, where, why, and how did life learn to reproduce itself?

8. With what did the first cell capable of sexual reproduction reproduce?

9. Why would any plant or animal want to reproduce more of its kind since this would only make more mouths to feed and decrease the chances of survival? (Does the individual have a drive to survive, or the species? How do you explain this?)

10. How can mutations (recombining of the genetic code) create any new, improved varieties? (Recombining English letters will never produce Chinese books.)

11. Is it possible that similarities in design between different animals prove a common Creator instead of a common ancestor?

12. Natural selection only works with the genetic information available and tends only to keep a species stable. How would you explain the increasing complexity in the genetic code that must have occurred if evolution were true?

13. When, where, why, and how did: a) Single-celled plants become multicelled? (Where are the two- and threecelled intermediates?) b) Single-celled animals evolve? c) Fish change to amphibians? d) Amphibians change to reptiles? e) Reptiles change to birds? (The lungs, bones, eyes, reproductive organs, heart, method of locomotion, body covering, etc., are all very different!) How did the intermediate forms live?

14. When, where, why, how, and from what did: a) Whales evolve? b) Sea horses evolve? c) Bats evolve? d) Eyes evolve? e) Ears evolve? f) Hair, skin, feathers, scales, nails, claws, etc., evolve?

15. Which evolved first (how, and how long, did it work without the others)? a) The digestive system, the food to be digested, the appetite, the ability to find and eat the food, the digestive juices, or the body’s resistance to its own digestive juice (stomach, intestines, etc.)? b) The drive to reproduce or the ability to reproduce? c) The lungs, the mucus lining to protect them, the throat, or the perfect mixture of gases to be breathed into the lungs? d) DNA or RNA to carry the DNA message to cell parts? e) The termite or the flagella in its intestines that actually digest the cellulose? f) The plants or the insects that live on and pollinate the plants? g) The bones, ligaments, tendons, blood supply, or muscles to move the bones? h) The nervous system, repair system, or hormone system? i) The immune system or the need for it? [/B]

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
No, sorry to burst your bubble but evolution is not a fact it is not even remotely scientific, it is pure urban legend, fairytale, and at most a fictionalized story about the origin of all life.

[B]Questions for Evolutionists
by Dr. Kent Hovind

The test of any theory is whether or not it provides answers to basic questions. Some well-meaning but misguided people think evolution is a reasonable theory to explain man’s questions about the universe. Evolution is not a good theory—it is just a pagan religion masquerading as science.

1. Where did the space for the universe come from?

2. Where did matter come from?

3. Where did the laws of the universe come from (gravity, inertia, etc.)?

4. How did matter get so perfectly organized?

5. Where did the energy come from to do all the organizing?

6. When, where, why, and how did life come from dead matter?

7. When, where, why, and how did life learn to reproduce itself?

8. With what did the first cell capable of sexual reproduction reproduce?

9. Why would any plant or animal want to reproduce more of its kind since this would only make more mouths to feed and decrease the chances of survival? (Does the individual have a drive to survive, or the species? How do you explain this?)

10. How can mutations (recombining of the genetic code) create any new, improved varieties? (Recombining English letters will never produce Chinese books.)

11. Is it possible that similarities in design between different animals prove a common Creator instead of a common ancestor?

12. Natural selection only works with the genetic information available and tends only to keep a species stable. How would you explain the increasing complexity in the genetic code that must have occurred if evolution were true?

13. When, where, why, and how did: a) Single-celled plants become multicelled? (Where are the two- and threecelled intermediates?) b) Single-celled animals evolve? c) Fish change to amphibians? d) Amphibians change to reptiles? e) Reptiles change to birds? (The lungs, bones, eyes, reproductive organs, heart, method of locomotion, body covering, etc., are all very different!) How did the intermediate forms live?

14. When, where, why, how, and from what did: a) Whales evolve? b) Sea horses evolve? c) Bats evolve? d) Eyes evolve? e) Ears evolve? f) Hair, skin, feathers, scales, nails, claws, etc., evolve?

15. Which evolved first (how, and how long, did it work without the others)? a) The digestive system, the food to be digested, the appetite, the ability to find and eat the food, the digestive juices, or the body’s resistance to its own digestive juice (stomach, intestines, etc.)? b) The drive to reproduce or the ability to reproduce? c) The lungs, the mucus lining to protect them, the throat, or the perfect mixture of gases to be breathed into the lungs? d) DNA or RNA to carry the DNA message to cell parts? e) The termite or the flagella in its intestines that actually digest the cellulose? f) The plants or the insects that live on and pollinate the plants? g) The bones, ligaments, tendons, blood supply, or muscles to move the bones? h) The nervous system, repair system, or hormone system? i) The immune system or the need for it? [/B]

while the first 7 points are not related to evolution (biological evolution at least) I would be more than glad to try and explain some of these points to you. For the most part, they are the same questions the creationists have been asking of science since the invent of geology, and most have been answered, and decades if not a century ago.

However, before I do this, I need to know what you hold as a standard of evidence for proof. For instance, if you wanted to show me that God was creating life, I could tell you what I would need to see before I would be convinced. What data would be required in each or all of those questions for you to be convinced that there are naturalistic causes?

(Oh, and by the way, if there is no evidence, then what you are saying is not science. One of the most important aspects of science is that the theory can be tested against. If there is no way to show evidence against a theory, it isn't science)

EDIT: As a further note, the fact that point 14) a. is in regard to whale evolution shows a increadable lack of research by whoever made this list. The hippopotomus would be a much better example, seeing as it shares a common anscestor with whales. This would mean that the evolution of "proto-bears" into marine mammals also involved the returning of said "proto bear now proto whale-opottomus" to shallow water and land to become the hippo. Strange stuff indeed.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
[COLOR=darkblue]No, sorry to burst your bubble but evolution is not a fact it is not even remotely scientific, it is pure urban legend, fairytale, and at most a fictionalized story about the origin of all life

You say it yourself.. a FAIRYTALE... aka the Bible.. aka God.

The Bible... a FICTIONALIZED story.

Then again I've now come to the conclusion that you're just trying to annoy or get some laughs here... cause no one... no one is that much of a fool.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
The truth is that I inadvertenly posted a response in the incorrect thread so I had to go back quickly and delete it so that I could re-post it in the right thread.

But believe what you may.

You must “inadvertenly posted a response in the incorrect thread” a lot. 🙄

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
But I am not wrong. The universe and everything in it was created by Jesus Christ (just like the Bible reveals).

You are delusional.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Such insight and yet you have abandoned the Truth in exchange for satan's lie: i.e. all false religions that masquerade as the truth (including Buddhism).

But only Jesus Christ is Truth.

I found that the Christian Church that I was in, I bet very similar to yours, was filled with evil people speaking lies.

“You will be Ruptured this year”: is just one of the many lies.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
No, sorry to burst your bubble but CREATIONISM is not a fact it is not even remotely scientific, it is pure urban legend, fairytale, and at most a fictionalized story about the origin of all life.

Originally posted by AngryManatee

Prove it with your millions of intermediary fossils that link any two species together, better yet show me just one fossil that links any two species.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Prove it with your millions of intermediary fossils that link any two species together, better yet show me just one fossil that links any two species.

I already have, but you ignored it with a post that said ".".

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Prove it with your millions of intermediary fossils that link any two species together, better yet show me just one fossil that links any two species.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Prove it with your millions of intermediary fossils that link any two species together, better yet show me just one fossil that links any two species.

Sorry but you've lost my respect, and I thus can no longer treat your questions with respect because anything that contradicts your beliefs (yes, beliefs, not facts) is viewed as false. This mentality will only result in your own personal stagnation in this progressive existence, and for me to continue answering the same questions over and over again will only result in my own stagnation as well.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I already have, but you ignored it with a post that said ".".

I haven't yet refuted that post (give me time).

Originally posted by AngryManatee
Sorry but you've lost my respect, and I thus can no longer treat your questions with respect because anything that contradicts your beliefs (yes, beliefs, not facts) is viewed as false. This mentality will only result in your own personal stagnation in this progressive existence, and for me to continue answering the same questions over and over again will only result in my own stagnation as well.

I never knew that I had your respect (at least this was my assumption--oops, my bad). Anyhoo, you sound flustered.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
I haven't yet refuted that post (give me time).

You have to first read the article.