Never understood why anyone thought creation and evolution were mutually exclusive. They're not. One doesn't disprove the other. God created the universe but He also set in place the scientific laws of how that universe works. So the universe evolving was part of His plans. I do strongly believe (and no one will ever convince me it's a myth) in the Garden of Eden and Adam and Eve but I also have to believe that some (not all) humans evolved since there's scientific proof of that.
Originally posted by Star428
Never understood why anyone thought creation and evolution were mutually exclusive. They're not. One doesn't disprove the other. God created the universe but He also set in place the scientific laws of how that universe works. So the universe evolving was part of His plans. I do strongly believe (and no one will ever convince me it's a myth) in the Garden of Eden and Adam and Eve but I also have to believe that some (not all) humans evolved since there's scientific proof of that.
Cool. This is a reasonable stance for someone who is theistic but also acknowledges the scientific proof of evolution.
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But I'm curious about your parenthetical statement about "not all" humans evolving. Care to elaborate on this? Were you referring specifically to Adam & Eve, or modern-day humans?
Originally posted by Digi
Cool. This is a reasonable stance for someone who is theistic but also acknowledges the scientific proof of evolution.👆
But I'm curious about your parenthetical statement about "not all" humans evolving. Care to elaborate on this? Were you referring specifically to Adam & Eve, or modern-day humans?
Obviously i have no idea if this is what he belives, but my quick idea for that kind of thinking is perhaps God created Adam and Eve as sort of a hands on attempt or prototype for making what the rest of humanity would become for his paradise. And over time their family (who by religious beliefs each lived to be like a 1000 or something iirc) just merged with the general population after a while.
Originally posted by Trocity
Some humans evolving from apes and some just... not, just sounds like religion trying to cover its bases as more and more scientific evidence piles on imho.It evolves to try and stay relevant.
Listen to a few lectures from Dr Gerald Schroeder and you'll change your mind. Simply saying religion tries to 'cover its bases' means you haven't really researched what you're talking about.
Originally posted by Surtur
Well Evolution does disprove Creationism. But not everyone who believes God created the universe is a creationist.But I don't get how some humans could evolve, but not all of them could.
Clearly he means white people were created by divine intervention and black people evolved from apes. 😂
Originally posted by psmith81992
Listen to a few lectures from Dr Gerald Schroeder and you'll change your mind.
I doubt that.
Where in the Bible does it mention human beings evolving from animals? Can you link me to an ambiguous passage or quote that you will be able to skew and make it seem like that? Does it mention life elsewhere in the Universe?
I recall the church saying if life is discovered on other planets, this doesn't disprove the Christian god.
I guess he just conveniently left out that the earth and its inhabitants weren't his only creations. Do you think he made commandments and rules for extra terrestrials also, or does he only expect humans to worship him?
P.S. I will look up some of those lectures, I don't want to seem like a complete prick here. As an atheist, it just all seems so silly to me how no matter how much we learn, god is still present. Science has pretty clearly disproven gods like Poseidon, god of the seas, etc., because those were explanations people made up for things they didn't understand.
The Christian god is just more difficult to disprove because he is "all encompassing."
Originally posted by Bardock42
That's interesting, I regard creationism as a facet of evolution, in particularly humanities evolved curiosity in the face of unanswered questions.
Yes but the creationists believe people and dinosaurs lived together. I respect curiosity, but then why aren't these people curious as to how the planet according to them is 6,000 years old and yet we've found things(even in this country) at least 8,000 years old. Or the curiosity for how the planet/universe came about in 6 days. At least I think creationists believe the 6 day theory, but I know for a fact they believe the dinosaur thing and the 6,000 year thing.
Then some of these people actually want creationism taught in science classes. That is some head exploding Scanners type stuff.
Where in the Bible does it mention human beings evolving from animals? Can you link me to an ambiguous passage or quote that you will be able to skew and make it seem like that? Does it mention life elsewhere in the Universe?
Evidence of "evolution" can be found in the creation of the world. Educate yourself what day animals were created and what day Adam and Eve were created. Schroeder argues that the creation of Adam and Eve was the first time a human was created with a soul, meaning neanderthals were created on previous days. Not that this is any kind of irrefutable proof but it sure beats your argument.
I recall the church saying if life is discovered on other planets, this doesn't disprove the Christian god.
I guess he just conveniently left out that the earth and its inhabitants weren't his only creations. Do you think he made commandments and rules for extra terrestrials also, or does he only expect humans to worship him?
Science has pretty clearly disproven gods like Poseidon, god of the seas, etc., because those were explanations people made up for things they didn't understand.The Christian god is just more difficult to disprove because he is "all encompassing."
Originally posted by psmith81992
Oh that's cute. Your whole argument is "I have no argument because you're going to skew evidence." So already you lost the argument but moving on.Evidence of "evolution" can be found in the creation of the world. Educate yourself what day animals were created and what day Adam and Eve were created. Schroeder argues that the creation of Adam and Eve was the first time a human was created with a soul, meaning neanderthals were created on previous days. Not that this is any kind of irrefutable proof but it sure beats your argument.
It doesn't dispute the "Jewish" god either. God created more than one world with life, ours happens to be human life.
Oh I see, if it's not explicitly stated, then it didn't happen. That's a nice try. And his "commandments" are for Jews, or if you want to branch out, Christians. His commandments don't apply to the non religious, who are bound by the 7 laws of Noah.
Since actually has done no such thing. The greatest scientists in the world or over the past 5 centuries will contend that science does NOT disprove God, nor is it meant to. I know you desperately want it to be so but science has done no such thing. And I'm not sure about the Christian God being all encompassing but the Jewish God certainly is, and it's not a "rationalization", it has always been that way.
It sounds like the god of the gap has run amuck.
Originally posted by Surtur
Yes but the creationists believe people and dinosaurs lived together.
Creationism is not a strictly Biblical concept. This ideology is based on the belief that human beings have originated independently from other animals and this development is purposeful.