Originally posted by Me_GuSta_ChoCha
Well Nothing Cant create something, someone had to start it, there is also that theory of "Intelligent Design" but you dont hear of it much because these days people dont want to hear about a God for some reason they would rather think we are pointless, im not saying that for the people who believe in Evolution but just to the people Who dont believe in anything period
I think we're limitted by the word "someone".
A non-egotistic force could have spawned this universe. An entity perhaps, but not necessatily a "being"
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Jesus Christ lives in my spirit (proof). I speak in tongues (a language that I have never learned. More proof). I lay hands on the sick in the Name of Jesus Christ and they recover (more proof). I am anointed by Jesus Christ to teach the Word of God. I have received numerous acclaim from people outside this forum and within it via private messages and regular posts commending my teaching ability (more proof). All of theses things I could not do until after Jesus Christ took up residence in my spirit. This is the truth so help me God. Years before I discovered this site these things were true of me, especially the acclaim from people about the teaching ability that I received from Jesus Christ.
That is a pathetic excuse for a lack of evidence and proof...
Originally posted by JesusIsAliveWTF 😆 Are you for real?
Jesus Christ lives in my spirit (proof). I speak in tongues (a language that I have never learned. More proof). I lay hands on the sick in the Name of Jesus Christ and they recover (more proof). I am anointed by Jesus Christ to teach the Word of God. I have received numerous acclaim from people outside this forum and within it via private messages and regular posts commending my teaching ability (more proof). All of theses things I could not do until after Jesus Christ took up residence in my spirit. This is the truth so help me God. Years before I discovered this site these things were true of me, especially the acclaim from people about the teaching ability that I received from Jesus Christ.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
[COLOR=darkblue]Jesus Christ lives in my spirit (proof).
Any proof? A little man lives in my head and tells me to burn things (not really.) We have you claim for it, and it is an unprovable claim.
I speak in tongues (a language that I have never learned. More proof).
French? Italian? Latin? Or is it the gibberish that so many tongue speakers seem to produce?
I lay hands on the sick in the Name of Jesus Christ and they recover (more proof)
So you a faith healer? Shouldn't you be in a tent in the deep south healing Middy Goodwifes gout?
I am anointed by Jesus Christ to teach the Word of God. I have received numerous acclaim from people outside this forum and within it via private messages and regular posts commending my teaching ability (more proof).
Ok, I'll take you word for it. However just being able to teach, I didn't think, was a sign of God or proof of him. School teachers, and non-Christian religious teachers do the same. Is it proof of Allah or Ganesh?
Originally posted by JesusIsAliveYes, I eventually read them, and I agree with Alliance:
Flam have you read the articles written by Thomas Heinze? They are on page 4 of this very same thread entitled, "New Definition of Science?"
Originally posted by AllianceNow can you please answer my question?
Thomas Heinze is not a scientist and has no background to comment on what science is.Nor is he an academic...he is a minister.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Then those 10,000 clergy don't know Jesus. No true Christian would "in essence" call God a lie by espousing evolution. Hypothetically, speaking Templares how would you feel or what would be your mindset if your significant other stated that she loves you and only you, but then you found her in bed with your most hated enemy just 1 hour later that same night, while you were on your way home from work. What would you think about her now? Again this is hypothetical so don't vent your spleen. Now after you found her in bed with your worst enemy she jumps out of bed, grabs you and says that she loves you with all her heart. What would you think then? I had to make up something that a man would find very touchy so that you could understand where I am coming from about the 10,000 clergy. If any one of those clergy truly loved God, trusted God, and believed in God and His Bible explanation on the origin of life, how can they jump up (like your hypothetical significant other) and say,"...We believe that the theory of evolution is a foundational scientific truth....",
That is the same principle just different situation as what your hypothetical woman did to you. She said that she loved you, trusted you, and believed you (that you are all the man that she needs and wants), but just 1 hour later was found in bed with your enemy. Evolution is the enemy of God because it contradicts God's Word (the Bible). Those clergy in this crude example are just as (or rather "what they said" is just as...) despicable as what your significant other said to you, especially after she was caught in the act. God will catch (I am speaking stricly figuratively) everyone of those clerygmen in the act (now I am speaking literally) on the Day of Judgment. Those men will individually give account for what they said in direct contradiction to what the Bible states. I wonder what their reply will be.
Bad. Analogy.
Here is the rest of the snippet on the Clergy Letter Project.
". . . . We believe that among God’s good gifts are human minds capable of critical thought and that the failure to fully employ this gift is a rejection of the will of our Creator. To argue that God’s loving plan of salvation for humanity precludes the full employment of the God-given faculty of reason is to attempt TO LIMIT GOD, an act of hubris. We urge school board members to preserve the integrity of the science curriculum by affirming the teaching of the theory of evolution as a core component of human knowledge. We ask that science remain science and that religion remain religion, two very different, but COMPLEMENTARY, FORMS OF TRUTH."
Its NARROWMINDED Christians such as yourself that is dragging us back to the Middle ages.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
http://www.halos.com/ (evolution refuted and debunked)Did you know that scientific evidence abounds to support the biblical accounts of creation and the flood? Were you aware that reports outlining this evidence passed peer review, and were published in the open scientific literature? Have you heard that, decades later, this evidence still stands unrefuted by the scientific community?
Some of our newest research concerns astronomy and cosmology. Our findings provide a radically new model of the cosmos while also showing why the Big Bang Theory is fatally flawed. For more on this topic, please see our sister site, www.OrionFdn.org.
Replies to Objections
Every question regarding the validity or implications of this polonium-halo evidence has been systematically dealt with, in our published reports and in various discussions with those holding differing views. We invite you to peruse the points we have raised in our exchanges, consider them, and decide for yourself the truth of the matter.Of particular interest will be our recent discussion with the Institute for Creation Research (ICR) regarding the validity of our work.
Our sister site, www.OrionFdn.org, has an entire section on this topic. Basically, what happened is that we posted ten papers outlining fatal flaws in the Big Bang theory on the arXiv, an internet service hosted at the time by Los Alamos National Laboratory. The arXiv distributes physics papers worldwide, and we had previously posted papers there with no problem. This time, when those in charge of the arXiv discovered that our papers very clearly outlined the fallacies of the Big Bang, and were supportive of a model of the universe that harmonizes with Genesis, the papers were removed. After we posted them again, they were removed a second time, and our password was revoked."
Polonium Halo you say?
DEBUNKED: Polonium haloes indicate a young earth. http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CF/CF201.html
*excerpt*
1. Polonium forms from the alpha decay of radon, which is one of the decay products of uranium. Since radon is a gas, it can migrate through small cracks in the minerals. The fact that polonium haloes are found only associated with uranium (the parent mineral for producing radon) supports this conclusion, as does the fact that such haloes are commonly found along cracks (Brawley 1992; Wakefield 1998).
edited: Just forgot to include the word DEBUNKED.
Originally posted by Templares
Bad. Analogy.Here is the rest of the snippet on the Clergy Letter Project.
". . . . We believe that among God’s good gifts are human minds capable of critical thought and that the failure to fully employ this gift is a rejection of the will of our Creator. [B]To argue that God’s loving plan of salvation for humanity precludes the full employment of the God-given faculty of reason is to attempt TO LIMIT GOD, an act of hubris
. We urge school board members to preserve the integrity of the science curriculum by affirming the teaching of the theory of evolution as a core component of human knowledge. We ask that science remain science and that religion remain religion, two very different, but COMPLEMENTARY, FORMS OF TRUTH."Its NARROWMINDED Christians such as yourself that is dragging us back to the Middle ages.
Polonium Halo you say?
DEBUNKED: Polonium haloes indicate a young earth. http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CF/CF201.html
*excerpt*
1. Polonium forms from the alpha decay of radon, which is one of the decay products of uranium. Since radon is a gas, it can migrate through small cracks in the minerals. The fact that polonium haloes are found only associated with uranium (the parent mineral for producing radon) supports this conclusion, as does the fact that such haloes are commonly found along cracks (Brawley 1992; Wakefield 1998).edited: Just forgot to include the word DEBUNKED. [/B]
Did you forget what the man said Temp.? Here is what he said:
Replies to Objections
Every question regarding the validity or implications of this polonium-halo evidence has been systematically dealt with, in our published reports and in various discussions with those holding differing views. We invite you to peruse the points we have raised in our exchanges, consider them, and decide for yourself the truth of the matter.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Did you forget what the man said Temp.? Here is what he said:[B]Replies to Objections
Every question regarding the validity or implications of this polonium-halo evidence has been systematically dealt with, in our published reports and in various discussions with those holding differing views. We invite you to peruse the points we have raised in our exchanges, consider them, and decide for yourself the truth of the matter. [/B]
Did you do that? Did you peruse the points they raised in their exchanges? No?
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Did you forget what the man said Temp.? Here is what he said:[B]Replies to Objections
Every question regarding the validity or implications of this polonium-halo evidence has been systematically dealt with, in our published reports and in various discussions with those holding differing views. We invite you to peruse the points we have raised in our exchanges, consider them, and decide for yourself the truth of the matter. [/B]
Yeah i read it. Sounds like a creationist trying to cover his ass.
Robert Gentry and his polonium halo is OLD NEWS. He's claims have already been debunked . . . . in a peer journal no less (May 1988 Issue of the Journal of Geological Education.
You want a more comprehensive debunking. Try here
http://www.csun.edu/~vcgeo005/gentry/tiny.htm