Most powerful PIS-aura.

Originally posted by batdude123
However, there was ONE little case where Colossus beat Magneto. That is complete garbage because anybody with basic understanding of chemistry can tell you that a man made of steel should never be able to even touch the MASTER of magnetism.

The main problem with basing arguements on elminating PIS is that PIS itself is very subjective. what one person considers PIS another may not. This is why we use Objective facts to debate. (Again I feel like im teaching a class here)
If an event of what you call PIS comes up, simply debate how in that circustance one character had an unfair advatnge in the fight and then explain how on a level playing feild they wouldn't have that perticular advantage. This is how intellegent people reasonably debate.
And its not misinformation, its facts that happned in comics that Marvel holds as canon, there for very acceptalble examples to be used in REAL debates related to those characters in those issues. Its not my fault you can't accept that and prefer to put your heads in the sand and pretend they don't exist.
Just learn to debate WITH the facts and not ignoring them."
does that make it easier for you?
I see you still have yet to awnser why your afriad of having a REAL debate with ALL the facts not just the ones you don't like.
Its not a loaded question, Im simply asking why you are scared to debate with all the facts involved? Its a valid question. I think your scared that if all the facts are allowed in you wont be able to defened your opinion as well, something REAL debators need have no fear of.

I've shown you examples of how you can use what you call PIS in arguements and still win. but your so terribly scared of debating with ALL the facts becuase you are insecure of your ability to debate.

I understand the rules of this site, I'm simply stating that they are wrong sorry i just thorught id let you kids work off some pent up energy before I posted again.

AS you can see I understand what you Consider PIS, I simply choose not to ignore it and debate like a real debator with all the facts not just the ones I like. see unlike you guys im not scared of facts.

Originally posted by David_Richards
[B]The main problem with basing arguements on elminating PIS is that PIS itself is very subjective. what one person considers PIS another may not. This is why we use Objective facts to debate. (Again I feel like im teaching a class here)
If an event of what you call PIS comes up, simply debate how in that circustance one character had an unfair advatnge in the fight and then explain how on a level playing feild they wouldn't have that perticular advantage. This is how intellegent people reasonably debate.
And its not misinformation, its facts that happned in comics that Marvel holds as canon, there for very acceptalble examples to be used in REAL debates related to those characters in those issues. Its not my fault you can't accept that and prefer to put your heads in the sand and pretend they don't exist.
Just learn to debate WITH the facts and not ignoring them."
does that make it easier for you?
I see you still have yet to awnser why your afriad of having a REAL debate with ALL the facts not just the ones you don't like.
Its not a loaded question, Im simply asking why you are scared to debate with all the facts involved? Its a valid question. I think your scared that if all the facts are allowed in you wont be able to defened your opinion as well, something REAL debators need have no fear of.

I've shown you examples of how you can use what you call PIS in arguements and still win. but your so terribly scared of debating with ALL the facts becuase you are insecure of your ability to debate.

I understand the rules of this site, I'm simply stating that they are wrong sorry i just thorught id let you kids work off some pent up energy before I posted again.

AS you can see I understand what you Consider PIS, I simply choose not to ignore it and debate like a real debator with all the facts not just the ones I like. see unlike you guys im not scared of facts. [/B]

Originally posted by batdude123
First of all, you claim to have no idea of what PIS is. Either that, or you have ADD with a touch of Down syndrome, because you obviously aren’t understanding, or even READING the arguments that are being presented to you. I honestly pity you, if you were in a tournament, you would be eaten alive. You ignore the rules that have been set out for EVERYBODY to follow. PIS is plainly stated in the rules. Let me take this slowly for you, considering you have the reading comprehension of a freakin three year old. Hell, rotiart’s niece probably understands what we’re trying to say to you better than you do.

A PIS moment was kind of like what we were arguing about yesterday. You said that WHATEVER happens in a comic, should be accepted as logical evidence. That’s completely WRONG. Take for instance the fact that Ultimate Colossus; a man made of mother f*ckin METAL for Christ’s sake, beat the MASTER of electromagnetism. This is the exact same character who was shown to be able to manipulate the magical enchanted MJOLNIR which is made of uru, the adamantium in Captain America’s shield (which was stated by the creator of adamantium to be NON magnetic), 500 Sentinels, and every single nuclear missle in the entire world. Not only can Magneto levitate metals, but he can also manipulate things such as plastic because he can create electromagnetic fields around objects and lift them up. Hell, even non magnetic substances Magneto can simply polarize it on a molecular level to make it ferromagnetic. He’s demonstrated the ability in every single appearance he’s been in. We take these instances as FACT. It’s been firmly established many times. However, there was ONE little case where Colossus beat Magneto. That is complete garbage because anybody with basic understanding of chemistry can tell you that a man made of steel should never be able to even touch the MASTER of magnetism. That’s so completely out of out whack and illogical, that we don’t use them. Why? Because it contradicts every thing else the character has ever shown. Not only was the one character dumbed down, but the character performing the miraculous feat was extremely powered up to levels they’ve never demonstrated before. With one little instance of this happening, it’s PIS. Even though before Colossus was being levitated by a hologram of Magneto, the writer just seemed to ignore that, and do something completely stupid, that goes against logic in the first place. This is why we use PIS. It’s establishing a set power on a character, because of how they are normally portrayed. However, comic books can be fictionally portrayed however they want, so they don’t really happen. That means that we can ignore these showings as PIS because the writer ignored the overall power set of said character. If a character doesn’t use his powers to the fullest, then the feat isn’t exactly a good one for the other character. It’s the same situation with Spider-man vs. Firelord. Someone with only class 15 strength should never be able to harm somebody who can stand the collapsing weight of a black hole or a star. If this occurred in REAL life, then of course we couldn’t ignore these facts. But, once a character is establish consistently as one way in a fictional book, it is acceptable to disclaim another feat because maybe that character was unusually power up, or perhaps the other character was unusually powered down. Hopefully you get it now; you moron. 🙄

I’m sorry, but WE’RE the ones who have the “real” debates. You’re just a little girl who’s pissed because it’s that time of the month again. Sorry, but we use logic here. If you can’t respect the rules here, then seriously, get the F*CK out. You have no place here. Nobody even wants you here. Why do even persist? You’re about as popular as OJ Simpson at a KKK meeting.

No, you don’t get to decide what rules to follow, and what rules to not follow. They are here for EVERYBODY to follow. If you think you’re above the rules, then I guess you think you’re better than everybody here. What kind of smug assh*le thinks that way? Well, you are certainly NOT better than the people here. You’re acting like a selfish prick. You have nothing to look down your nose at. You haven’t done anything here that makes you deserve that. So, I suggest follow the rules or get the f*ck out.

To many words, I'm not reading all that. I reported you because the grammar was horrible 😬

AS you can see I understand what you Consider PIS, I simply choose not to ignore it and debate like a real debator with all the facts not just the ones I like. see unlike you guys im not scared of facts.

you sure are a masterdebator alright.

Originally posted by David_Richards
[B]The main problem with basing arguements on elminating PIS is that PIS itself is very subjective. what one person considers PIS another may not. This is why we use Objective facts to debate. (Again I feel like im teaching a class here)
If an event of what you call PIS comes up, simply debate how in that circustance one character had an unfair advatnge in the fight and then explain how on a level playing feild they wouldn't have that perticular advantage. This is how intellegent people reasonably debate.
And its not misinformation, its facts that happned in comics that Marvel holds as canon, there for very acceptalble examples to be used in REAL debates related to those characters in those issues. Its not my fault you can't accept that and prefer to put your heads in the sand and pretend they don't exist.
Just learn to debate WITH the facts and not ignoring them."
does that make it easier for you?
I see you still have yet to awnser why your afriad of having a REAL debate with ALL the facts not just the ones you don't like.
Its not a loaded question, Im simply asking why you are scared to debate with all the facts involved? Its a valid question. I think your scared that if all the facts are allowed in you wont be able to defened your opinion as well, something REAL debators need have no fear of.

I've shown you examples of how you can use what you call PIS in arguements and still win. but your so terribly scared of debating with ALL the facts becuase you are insecure of your ability to debate.

I understand the rules of this site, I'm simply stating that they are wrong sorry i just thorught id let you kids work off some pent up energy before I posted again.

AS you can see I understand what you Consider PIS, I simply choose not to ignore it and debate like a real debator with all the facts not just the ones I like. see unlike you guys im not scared of facts. [/B]

No your not scared of facts, just rules.

Originally posted by David_Richards
[B]The main problem with basing arguements on elminating PIS is that PIS itself is very subjective. what one person considers PIS another may not. This is why we use Objective facts to debate. (Again I feel like im teaching a class here)
If an event of what you call PIS comes up, simply debate how in that circustance one character had an unfair advatnge in the fight and then explain how on a level playing feild they wouldn't have that perticular advantage. This is how intellegent people reasonably debate.
And its not misinformation, its facts that happned in comics that Marvel holds as canon, there for very acceptalble examples to be used in REAL debates related to those characters in those issues. Its not my fault you can't accept that and prefer to put your heads in the sand and pretend they don't exist.
Just learn to debate WITH the facts and not ignoring them."
does that make it easier for you?
I see you still have yet to awnser why your afriad of having a REAL debate with ALL the facts not just the ones you don't like.
Its not a loaded question, Im simply asking why you are scared to debate with all the facts involved? Its a valid question. I think your scared that if all the facts are allowed in you wont be able to defened your opinion as well, something REAL debators need have no fear of.

I've shown you examples of how you can use what you call PIS in arguements and still win. but your so terribly scared of debating with ALL the facts becuase you are insecure of your ability to debate.

I understand the rules of this site, I'm simply stating that they are wrong sorry i just thorught id let you kids work off some pent up energy before I posted again.

AS you can see I understand what you Consider PIS, I simply choose not to ignore it and debate like a real debator with all the facts not just the ones I like. see unlike you guys im not scared of facts. [/B]

you can't honestly think that a man made out of metal can beat the master of magnetism dickblazer. things just don't work that way. its quite frankly impossible. its about as possible as gravity suddenly reversing itself and shooting us all into orbit. there are some fights that would be impossible for certain characters to win, thats one of them. a dude made out of metal vs the master of magnetism. saying that its possible for colossus to win is like saying that is possible for the sun to suddenly start revolving around the earth.

david, seriously, if you don't agree with the rules, then why are you here? if you can't follow the rules established here, then get out. find some other forum that debates the way you want.

Originally posted by emporerpants
david, seriously, if you don't agree with the rules, then why are you here? if you can't follow the rules established here, then get out. find some other forum that debates the way you want.

lol why this whole forum has engaged him in debate already, its pretty funny actually🙂

Originally posted by emporerpants
you can't honestly think that a man made out of metal can beat the master of magnetism dickblazer. things just don't work that way. its quite frankly impossible. its about as possible as gravity suddenly reversing itself and shooting us all into orbit. there are some fights that would be impossible for certain characters to win, thats one of them. a dude made out of metal vs the master of magnetism. saying that its possible for colossus to win is like saying that is possible for the sun to suddenly start revolving around the earth.

Well obviously in the Ultimate X-men universe it happened so theres at least one set of circumstances out there where it can happen.

But no, you stick your head in the sand, and mutter to yourself over and over again "Its not true 🙁 its not true" LOL

See I would argue that there was something in that situation that gave Colossus an unfair advantage in that one fight. so if anyone brought it up in an arguement, instead of simply dismissing as PIS I would show the strength of MY arguement by accepting it as fact and arguing that on a level playing field things would be different. and then I would site the many many examples of him defeating colossus. thusly proving inspite of the facts how I was right.

See that class? thats how you debate, you accept the arguement the other side is using even if it has facts you dont like in it. You dont sit liek a child and pout calling them PIS you accept that they are facts and debate around it. Thats how the grown ups do it.

ok, then what was that outside factor david?

Originally posted by David_Richards
Well obviously in the Ultimate X-men universe it happened so theres at least one set of circumstances out there where it can happen.

But no, you stick your head in the sand, and mutter to yourself over and over again "Its not true 🙁 its not true" LOL

See I would argue that there was something in that situation that gave Colossus an unfair advantage in that one fight. so if anyone brought it up in an arguement, instead of simply dismissing as PIS I would show the strength of MY arguement by accepting it as fact and arguing that on a level playing field things would be different. and then I would site the many many examples of him defeating colossus. thusly proving inspite of the facts how I was right.

See that class? thats how you debate, you accept the arguement the other side is using even if it has facts you dont like in it. You dont sit liek a child and pout calling them PIS you accept that they are facts and debate around it. Thats how the grown ups do it.

See that class? thats how you debate, you accept the arguement the other side is using even if it has facts you dont like in it. You dont sit liek a child and pout calling them PIS you accept that they are facts and debate around it. Thats how the grown ups do it.

Wow, your amazing, amazing, amazing. Quote me and use that for some more facts later.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
No one cares. If you don't like the rules of the forum. Leave. Simple as that.

Originally posted by David_Richards
Well obviously in the Ultimate X-men universe it happened so theres at least one set of circumstances out there where it can happen.

But no, you stick your head in the sand, and mutter to yourself over and over again "Its not true 🙁 its not true" LOL

See I would argue that there was something in that situation that gave Colossus an unfair advantage in that one fight. so if anyone brought it up in an arguement, instead of simply dismissing as PIS I would show the strength of MY arguement by accepting it as fact and arguing that on a level playing field things would be different. and then I would site the many many examples of him defeating colossus. thusly proving inspite of the facts how I was right.

See that class? thats how you debate, you accept the arguement the other side is using even if it has facts you dont like in it. You dont sit liek a child and pout calling them PIS you accept that they are facts and debate around it. Thats how the grown ups do it.

So tell me how did Colossus win that fight?

Originally posted by emporerpants
ok, then what was that outside factor david?

ha, good point goober! i'm sure he'll just ignore that post and quote himself again.

Originally posted by Apolloknight
So tell me how did Colossus win that fight?

Originally posted by David_Richards
In understand your rules, I just dissagree with them as I prefer to have a real debate with ALL the facts not just the ones I like.

Also I never logged off, I just like to let you guys go on for abit to amuse myself before I remind you of the truth.

Well, if you disagree with the rules, I'm the guy to talk to, since I'm the one that put them in place. You're more than welcome to send me a pm so we can have a civil discussion about them. Although you wish to disregard those particular rules, you haven't done anything that would actually constitute a warning or a ban, so that's a good thing, at least.