I never said I didn't I said its not useable in a REAL debate, since it is subjective opinion and not objective fact, which is the basis upon which a real debate is fought.
The thread I put that comment into was a thread asking what we considered to be the biggest example of PIS was, it was nto a debate and it wasnt asking for facts.
The mark of a true debator is one who can overcome contradictory information with better facts to prove their case. Again I say, I think the reason you fall back on PIS and CIS and the rest is because they help you eliminate facts which destory your arguement and that you do not posses the skill to debate around.
Originally posted by David_Richards
I never said I didn't I said its not useable in a REAL debate, since it is subjective opinion and not objective fact, which is the basis upon which a real debate is fought.The thread I put that comment into was a thread asking what we considered to be the biggest example of PIS was, it was nto a debate and it wasnt asking for facts.
The mark of a true debator is one who can overcome contradictory information with better facts to prove their case. Again I say, I think the reason you fall back on PIS and CIS and the rest is because they help you eliminate facts which destory your arguement and that you do not posses the skill to debate around.
And not only did I PROVE to you that the Colossus feat was contradictory to everything else Magneto has shown, you persisted. Why? 😬
Originally posted by David_Richards
I never said I didn't I said its not useable in a REAL debate, since it is subjective opinion and not objective fact, which is the basis upon which a real debate is fought.The thread I put that comment into was a thread asking what we considered to be the biggest example of PIS was, it was nto a debate and it wasnt asking for facts.
The mark of a true debator is one who can overcome contradictory information with better facts to prove their case. Again I say, I think the reason you fall back on PIS and CIS and the rest is because they help you eliminate facts which destory your arguement and that you do not posses the skill to debate around.
Because since it happened in the comics, it proves that obviously in the Ultimates universe under a certin set of circumstances he can defeat Magneto. It doesnt mean it can always happen or would always happen merely that there is at least one way that it can. And you still havent adressed the points ive brought up above.
Originally posted by David_Richards
Because since it happened in the comics, it proves that obviously in the Ultimates universe under a certin set of circumstances he can defeat Magneto. It doesnt mean it can always happen or would always happen merely that there is at least one way that it can. And you still havent adressed the poitns ive brought up above.
I don't care about your post above because it's against the violation of the rules. OBVIOUSLY you didn't read what Tron wrote at the end of my thread. And the only reason Colossus was able to do such a thing was because it served a specific purpose in the plot of the overall story. Hence PLOT DEVICE. That's why the fights on these forums are hypothetical match ups. I showed you that it contradicts everything Magneto has ever shown on a constant basis. What more do you need? It WAS PIS. The fact that it completely takes a dump on all of Magneto's showings attests to that. Not to mention it was a bit of "Character Induced Stupidity" as well. Hopefully you've seen the level of power Magneto can output. If Magneto was actually trying to kill the tin can, he would've. Come on, even YOU have to admit that. A person made of metal beating the MASTER of magnetism? That's completely contradictory to basic chemistry. A three year old should know that it's crap, and it's shown in the actual other comic books to be crap as well. That feat=PIS. Magneto going for the kill would snuff Colossus 12/10. 😉
Originally posted by David_Richards
Because since it happened in the comics, it proves that obviously in the Ultimates universe under a certin set of circumstances he can defeat Magneto. It doesnt mean it can always happen or would always happen merely that there is at least one way that it can. And you still havent adressed the points ive brought up above.
No Mentioning Events of PIS
Plot Induced Stupidity, or PIS, is when characters don't use their abilities or skills to the fullest extent as shown before, even within their personality ranges, for the sake of the story plotline.
Originally posted by batdude123
I don't care about your post above because it's against the violation of the rules. OBVIOUSLY you didn't read what Tron wrote at the end of my thread. And the only reason Colossus was able to do such a thing was because it served a specific purpose in the plot of the overall story. Hence PLOT DEVICE. That's why the fights on these forums are hypothetical match ups. I showed you that it contradicts everything Magneto has ever shown on a constant basis. What more do you need? It WAS PIS. The fact that it completely takes a dump on all of Magneto's showings attests to that. Not to mention it was a bit of "Character Induced Stupidity" as well. Hopefully you've seen the level of power Magneto can output. If Magneto was actually trying to kill the tin can, he would've. Come on, even YOU have to admit that. A person made of metal beating the MASTER of magnetism? That's completely contradictory to basic chemistry. A three year old should know that it's crap, and it's shown in the actual other comic books to be crap as well. That feat=PIS. Magneto going for the kill would snuff Colossus 12/10. 😉
Originally posted by David_Richards
I never said I didn't I said its not useable in a REAL debate, since it is subjective opinion and not objective fact, which is the basis upon which a real debate is fought.The thread I put that comment into was a thread asking what we considered to be the biggest example of PIS was, it was nto a debate and it wasnt asking for facts.
The mark of a true debator is one who can overcome contradictory information with better facts to prove their case. Again I say, I think the reason you fall back on PIS and CIS and the rest is because they help you eliminate facts which destory your arguement and that you do not posses the skill to debate around.
Actually it doesnt "own" me at all, it just shows you really are to scared to debate using real facts. If your a good enough debator you can win your arugement with ALL the facts not just the ones you like.
The most powerful PIS aura belongs to Rick Jones. That kid has at times been handicapped, and still hung around guys like Genis, Captain Marvel, and Hulk as their #1 sidekick... The sheer fact that he should have died from the Shrapnel of being so near to a powerful being... has turned him into SuperRICK faster that ammunition fired from a firearm... more powerful than a train, able to leap tall... structures in a single ... jump... do do do....
Originally posted by David_Richards
Actually it doesnt "own" me at all, it just shows you really are to scared to debate using real facts. If your a good enough debator you can win your arugement with ALL the facts not just the ones you like.
You obviously have no grasp of how Comic Book Versus forums work.
Originally posted by David_Richards
Actually it doesnt "own" me at all, it just shows you really are to scared to debate using real facts. If your a good enough debator you can win your arugement with ALL the facts not just the ones you like.
No Mentioning Events of PIS
Plot Induced Stupidity, or PIS, is when characters don't use their abilities or skills to the fullest extent as shown before, even within their personality ranges, for the sake of the story plotline. It makes lesser powered characters an actual challenge against higher powered characters in the comics.
No SvFL
Spiderman vs. Firelord, or SvFL, is a shorthand that refers to any time when a character performs a feat that their powers and skills should be blatantly insufficient for, and is not repeated or is rarely repeated again relative to the character's overall established career, as well as the character's opponents' established showings. In statistical terms, it is an outlier, something that is radically beyond the character's established capabilities. For standard debates, feats considered to fall under the SvFL exemption are not valid. Likewise, examples of writing which go against firmly set canon are also ignored.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f77/t308157.html
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=418556&perpage=20&highlight=&pagenumber=14
You've been explained the rules by everybody, including a Moderator. The fact that you can't or won't comprehend them is ownage enough. Batdude just put the final nail into the "Ownage Coffin". 😆
Originally posted by David_Richards
I never said I didn't I said its not useable in a REAL debate, since it is subjective opinion and not objective fact, which is the basis upon which a real debate is fought.The thread I put that comment into was a thread asking what we considered to be the biggest example of PIS was, it was nto a debate and it wasnt asking for facts.
The mark of a true debator is one who can overcome contradictory information with better facts to prove their case. Again I say, I think the reason you fall back on PIS and CIS and the rest is because they help you eliminate facts which destory your arguement and that you do not posses the skill to debate around.
So youve proven you can insult what i've stated above you just havent proven it wrong.
This has nothing to do with how comic book fourms work and for the record their are forums on the net which dont use PIS in debates.
And again Im not saying I don't believe in the existance of PIS, just that its not acceptabel in a REAL debate becuase its not facts, its ignoring facts.
I created the thread below for the sole purpose of allowing people to vent their feelings about PIS in away that doesnt not pretend to be a REAL debate.
Originally posted by David_Richards
Actually it doesnt "own" me at all, it just shows you really are to scared to debate using real facts. If your a good enough debater you can win your arugement with ALL the facts not just the ones you like.