Originally posted by David_Richards
Anyone can win a debate when the rules say they can throw out whatever facts contradict their arguement.A REAL debator can win with ALL the facts allowed
Facts are Facts, If you dont like them come up with other facts that contradict them, but don't run away from them or stick your head in the ground and pretend they don't exist.
Originally posted by David_Richards
Anyone can win a debate when the rules say they can throw out whatever facts contradict their arguement.A REAL debator can win with ALL the facts allowed
Originally posted by David_Richards
Facts are Facts, If you dont like them come up with other facts that contradict them.
If facts are facts how do you contradict them maybe because.........
Even if they are half facts?! But they are allowed then!?
Sounds like facts aren't really facts then, what does that make them, hmmmm
Okay... so since Spiderman can beat Firelord and firelord is herald level... then... Spiderman must be herald level... and if spiderman is herald level...
Since Thor is a god... and captain america beat him... captain america is now superhero godlike level?
Spiderman beat the hulk, by having the hulk run into a building... and dropping the whole thing down upon hulk... therefore since hulk goes toe to toe with the FF4... then spiderman by theory must be able to beat the FF4 right?...
what.. those are the facts right? they are also PIS... but those are the facts. so by your idiocy... did i say that? i meant logic... spiderman is galactus level...
oh yes.. also.. cyclops cut off wolverines hand.. and it wasn't able to be able to regenerate in AoA... yet.. Wolverine has been shown to be able to come back from even a skeleton... however since cyclops did it.. and its fact.. his force blasts must have some type of anti-healing factor agent to it right? Meaning if he hit Hulk... He'd kill him.
Well there you go. If you wanna kill hulk, go find cyclops.
Look up the definiton of facts, In one comic book Magneto easily defeats Colossus and in another he get defeated BY him. Both facts which contradict themselves. You accept both and then debate.
Thats how it works. None of you would ever survive in a real debate where you couldn't pick and choose what facts you like to be allowed in.
Originally posted by David_Richards
Look up the definiton of facts, In one comic book Magneto easily defeats Colossus and in another he get defeated BY him. Both facts which contradict themselves. You accept both and then debate.Thats how it works. None of you would ever survive in a real debate where you couldn't pick and choose what facts you like to be allowed in.
You convinced me, I'll bet your good at ping pong also:/
I'd go more likely with magneto defeating colossus than the other way around... the organic steel of colossus's body is shown to have metal properties... melted under heat.. etc..
There in all honestly, should be little that colossus could do to a person who wrecked the entire electromagnetic field of our planet.
Thats the honesty of the facts... and if you understood what PIS was, you'd understand that.
PIS is the once in a lifetime shot that happens, when yhou know it shouldn't... when years of a characters history is suddenly considered null and void, for one story. Well guess what, if that one story goes against everything that character shows to be within their power scale to be able to do... then we say they can't do it.
IE.. If all of a sudden spiderman went out, lifted up the shield helicarrier.. and threw it at a building.... I'm pretty sure it's PIS.
Btw. pis? squirrel girl beating Thanos.
Spiderman beating firelord? ... when shehulk busts her hand on surfers chest?
Yah... spiderman can't even hurt the Rhino with his punches.. but he's gonna rock firelord... thats the truest example of pis... years of continuity down the drain due to one bad storyline... or you ignore that storyline to keep everything else true.
PIS is also sometimes called Profit induced stupidity... when you realize that the comic book writers are only trying to cash in on their cash cow...
Originally posted by David_Richards
Look up the definiton of facts, In one comic book Magneto easily defeats Colossus and in another he get defeated BY him. Both facts which contradict themselves. You accept both and then debate.Thats how it works. None of you would ever survive in a real debate where you couldn't pick and choose what facts you like to be allowed in.
Originally posted by David_Richards
Look up the definiton of facts, In one comic book Magneto easily defeats Colossus and in another he get defeated BY him. Both facts which contradict themselves. You accept both and then debate.Thats how it works. None of you would ever survive in a real debate where you couldn't pick and choose what facts you like to be allowed in.
I'm just saying don't call it a debate unless your really willing to have a REAL debate. If your a REAL debator then you wouldn't scared of facts.
For example:
since it is only that one time Colossus defeated Magneto, you could argue there was outside factors which diminished Magnetos power in that perticular fight. Read the issue where the fight happened and see if there was anything which diminsihed his powers in that fight.
Debating involves being up to date on the info. Do your research, gather your facts and then you'll do well in a debate.
Originally posted by David_Richards
Look up the definiton of facts, In one comic book Magneto easily defeats Colossus and in another he get defeated BY him. Both facts which contradict themselves. You accept both and then debate.Thats how it works. None of you would ever survive in a real debate where you couldn't pick and choose what facts you like to be allowed in.
Originally posted by David_Richards
I'm just saying don't call it a debate unless your really willing to have a REAL debate. If your a REAL debator then you wouldn't scared of facts.For example:
since it is only that one time Colossus defeated Magneto, you could argue there was outside factors which diminished Magnetos power in that perticular fight. Read the issue where the fight happened and see if there was anything which diminsihed his powers in that fight.
Debating involves being up to date on the info. Do your research, gather your facts and then you'll do well in a debate.
Actually none of you would fair well in a real debate since they accept all the facts relevant to the toppic not just the ones they like.
You wanna know what a debate is? Watch the presidential debate. If you run over the times dicatated by them, or go into areas that have nothing relevant to the topic to which they discuss, they'll either steer you back, or shut you down. IE. Times up. End of conversation.
A good debate... is like a well written paper. Ever have a teacher assign you a paper. So she says its 10 pages... so you think doublespaced in giant font.. .then she says 10 font, times new roman, no bold, and single spaced only. So you think okay 1 page for title page, another for bibliography... then she says that your paper is 10 excluding those pages... so you think okay.. well i can write a paper about something i know... until your teacher states she'll be picking your topic... and that she wants no less than 7 works cited. Your thinking 7... crap.. i'll just scan the internet... so she includes the 7 works cited.. 1 magazine, 1 newspaper and 1 internet source at most.
... why? to remove plagarism, lies, facts that were disproven. etc..
PIS is like when the world believed the earth was flat... now we all know its spherical (roughly) because thats what years of science and imaging has taught us. Sure you may look out across the horizon and it looks straight... but that doesn't change all the other facts that disprove that one tidbit.
Originally posted by David_Richards
I'm just saying don't call it a debate unless your really willing to have a REAL debate. If your a REAL debator then you wouldn't scared of facts.For example:
since it is only that one time Colossus defeated Magneto, you could argue there was outside factors which diminished Magnetos power in that perticular fight. Read the issue where the fight happened and see if there was anything which diminsihed his powers in that fight.
Debating involves being up to date on the info. Do your research, gather your facts and then you'll do well in a debate.
PIS as you call it is simply an instance in comics where a character found a way in a perticular fight to overcome the odds and achive victory. A good debator can argue around it.
Debating is not about choosing which facts we like or don't like. Its about comming up with a truth derived from an examination of ALL the facts connected to the topic at hand.
Its like the Global Warming Debate or the Debate on Evolution. Scientist present facts to prove their arguement and right wing politicans pretend they dont exist and only listen to the facts they like that support what they already think.
There's a phrasing out there.. There's always exceptions to the rule. Now you may go to KFC on tuesdays and get their chicken and corn deal... and your store may not allow substitutions.. but you travel into another store... and ask.. can I have coleslaw instead of corn.. .and when they say yes, but the last 30 stores you've asked have told you no... are you going to say that all stores now must give you coleslaw?
Exception to the rule. You can try to apply the exception.. and generally you're just gonna get debunked. Every once in a while though you might be lucky... and you just might.. if you try the right angle.. get your coleslaw.
Originally posted by David_Richards
Actually none of you would fair well in a real debate since they accept all the facts relevant to the toppic not just the ones they like.
Dude your missing the entire point, and your not even taking what people are saying into consideration, and yet you are suppose to be the expert debater. Rules are Rules, Im sure debates you have participated in also have rules, this forum, has rules. Rules which before you showed up, hundreds and thousands of people never had a problem with, strange. Everybody seems to grasp it but you.
The point is, when we debate, the fights are at full power, yes we should still utilize Comic evidence and facts, but some things are just stupid, Juggernaut being stopped by cement when he has toppled buildings, Spiderman beating firelord, Flash fights not ending in the first pico-second, Gladiator not pushing the moon into earth, or colossus fighting magneto.
As you are a "debater" then common logic should tell you a man who has toyed with the entire EM spectrum of earth, should have no trouble with a man who is metal, that my friend is common sense. Yes it is a fact that Colossus battled magneto in a comic, but ask yourself this, "how come magneto didn't use his power to effect Colossus?", interesting.
Could it be that little thing called "PIS/CIS". Just maybe thats it. Before you post again you should look over the forum rules and what people are trying to tell you.