Wolverine v3 45

Originally posted by H. S. 6
This better not turn into some great conspiracy. That would suck ass.

The reason Civil War is as good as it is is because of how it started: innocently. People are standing up for what they believe in; nobody is right, nobody is wrong.

That's why Civil War is working. If this turns into some great, mass plan with some mastermind behind it (especially Tony Stark), I will sue Marvel.

Of course there would be some kind of conspiracy behind it. I can bet the government was waiting for an excuse to get heroes on their team.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Yeah, he hanged with heavy hitters on his first appearences, until they actually HIT him.

And you are right that there is more Wolverine haters then fans. I guess it's some kind of way for new members to get part with the majority. Personally I think it's stupid to hate the character...I don't hate Wolverine, he is one of my top 5 favorite X-Men...I just hate that every other character is dumbed down so he could have chance against them...

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Originally posted by Tron
Of course there would be some kind of conspiracy behind it. I can bet the government was waiting for an excuse to get heroes on their team.

But looking for an excuse, I'd understand.

Having some kind of "grand scheme" and purposely killing those kids: Hell no. That would be completely and utterly stupid.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
So...when has he actually competed against a Class 100 who wasn't weakened or wasn't holding back?

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Hulk? Every time he has had a chance he has been fighting against a weak-ass incarnation.

no.. all that was was speculation..

all you've shown is speculation

all you have is SPEC-U-LATION.

hulk was weakened because he bled? uhhh sorry no.. he just has a very inconsistent history much like any other comic book character...

in spite of all his durability feats I've seen cap hurt him with pressure points, kick the wind out of him (so did batman), make him cry out in pain with a shield hit, spiderman staggered an ultra hulk with a kick, he's been staggered by boulders falling on top of his head, he's been knocked out by iron fist.. NONW Of those were depowered versions.. just inconsitent...

even then.. assuming hulk DID have less durability than usual.. this does not mean he was weaker....

look grey hulk has lifted a bowing jet.. they are in excess of 160 tons fully loaded.. he's obviously a class 100 character when he gets pissed.

the hulk in 145 lifted a damned redwood BEHIND HIS HEAD.. I can tell you right now almost everyone on my combat team can bench 3 to 4 times what they can lift behind their head and redwoods generally come in at a weight of 2500 metric tons.... that hulk was OBVIOUSLY a class 100 character....

not to mention the fact that the only thing that saves hulk from logan is his healing factor.. hell even in the two fights hulk's knocked logan out BOTH were after logan's healing factor had already been taxed....

and in BOTH fights wolverine scored multiple hits that would be harmful or even fatal for any other brick save hulk....

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Wonder Man---oh wait, nevermind.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Hercules? Off-panel fight with no proof how Hercules fought,

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Namor? He spends his time trying to talk to him peacefully or keep him away...

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
When has he survived an all-out Class 100 attack from someone who is in his prime? I mean ALL OUT, not any "Why are you bothering us, X-Man?" bullshit, or "ARGH! It takes Hulk fifteen minutes to heal a minor wound" crap. Because from what I have seen, Class 100's usually fight like Class 20's against Logan.

let's face it here
wonderman had a killing intent.. he couldn't put logan down
hulk WHO PROVED himself to be WELL OVER class 100 tried to "smash little man"..he couldn't put logan down
maivous-wendigo, a character who trumped alpha flight and was created to compete with the gods of the wilderness went all out on wolverine after wolverine was in a 3 way battle with wendigo already... he COULDN'T PUT LOGAN DOWN
sasquatch was mind controlled in a feral mode and went at logan with a berserker rage.... he got nothing out of logan but smart ass comments "hiya walt"
mind controlled collosus hit logan with a full on punch and logan didn't even acknowledge it happened.. this feat was repeated in a training practice, and again when wolverine was murauding around as death
grey hulk went all out on wolverine grey hulk ONLY STARTS OUT as a class 80, when angry his strength skyrockets... he couldn't put logan down.
tigershark attacked wolverine both in AND OUT of water.. neither attack was suffiecient to put logan down.
wendigo has attacked logan on multiple occasions.. he's only EVER been able to take logan out using repeated attacks and usually not until after logan's already KOed wendigo at least once or twice.
then of course there's abomination who logan curbstomped unconcious without even being touched.

for god sakes they ought to call logan the anti-brick. he's proven he can hang just fine. doesn't matter how much rationalizing or bitching or SPECULATING you do about it DC wolvie's proven you wrong too many times to ignore.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Yeah, he hanged with heavy hitters on his first appearences, until they actually HIT him.

also we have to consider that logan has gotten stronger over the years.. this isn't just something gathered on panal but proven and stated IN PRINT.

Originally posted by jinzin
how about since the start of his career?

Okay. Show me when he has COMPETED with an all-out Class 100 character that was all out. Not getting the shit beat out of him and staying concious, but to COMPETE with them.

Originally posted by jinzin
BAH!!!! 😆 I love how you simply fabricated that hulk is weakened to say that wolverine could compete with him and now you're upholding that like it's what actually happened..

no.. all that was was speculation..

all you've shown is speculation

all you have is SPEC-U-LATION.

hulk was weakened because he bled? uhhh sorry no.. he just has a very inconsistent history much like any other comic book character...

in spite of all his durability feats I've seen cap hurt him with pressure points, kick the wind out of him (so did batman), make him cry out in pain with a shield hit, spiderman staggered an ultra hulk with a kick, he's been staggered by boulders falling on top of his head, he's been knocked out by iron fist.. NONW Of those were depowered versions.. just inconsitent...

even then.. assuming hulk DID have less durability than usual.. this does not mean he was weaker....

look grey hulk has lifted a bowing jet.. they are in excess of 160 tons fully loaded.. he's obviously a class 100 character when he gets pissed.

the hulk in 145 lifted a damned redwood BEHIND HIS HEAD.. I can tell you right now almost everyone on my combat team can bench 3 to 4 times what they can lift behind their head and redwoods generally come in at a weight of 2500 metric tons.... that hulk was OBVIOUSLY a class 100 character....

not to mention the fact that the only thing that saves hulk from logan is his healing factor.. hell even in the two fights hulk's knocked logan out BOTH were after logan's healing factor had already been taxed....

and in BOTH fights wolverine scored multiple hits that would be harmful or even fatal for any other brick save hulk....

Did I say that he was weakened just for the reason that Wolverine could fight him? No. I just said that he is fighting an weak-ass incarnation. Which he was. Most other Hulk incarnations heal from near-vaporization from fifteen seconds, this took more then fifteen minutes to heal his eyes. Most Hulk incarnations take Class 100 shots and Mjolnir straight to face with no harm at all, this one was majorly hurt and bled from a headbutt from Wolverine.

Laugh all you want, maybe it makes you feel better, but it doesn't change the FACT (F-A-C-T) that the Hulk Wolverine fought was weaker then most other Hulk incarnations.

Still haven't realized that POST-Heroes Reborn Hulk is weaker then most other incarnations? Have you even read any Hulk comics after HR?

Man, all that rant wasted for nothing. ❌

Originally posted by jinzin
OH WAIT is right... it wasn't a fight and it does more to hurt your argument than help it....
all wonder man did was bash away at logan AFTER attackig him from behind... AFTER logan was already fighting someone ELSE.... and did wonderman knock logan out? no
did he keep logan down? no
could logan have ended the fight wtih one snikt of his claws? yes...
was logan still standing and confident that he could have done just that by the end of that display? yes....

Standing and confident indeed.

Maybe from the point of view of a mentally retarded paraplegic...

Originally posted by jinzin
most likely like he's fought every other time wolverine's whipped his claws out on herc... "zounds" and then proceeds a hastey retreat.... still though wolverine beat him in a 1on1 and that's what's important here.

Yeah, because he's totally gone all out in the other fights.

Hercules, like about every other heroic Marvel brick, holds back when fighting weaker opponents. You think he is fighting full power in a bar fight? When Hercules was going all out on Thor, they generated enough pressure to nearly knock a planet out of it.

Originally posted by jinzin
namor's not even guaranteed to be class 100 when he's out of the water and secondly, you better believe he's trying to keep logan away you've seen what happens every time.. yes.. EVERY time they've gotten into it up close.. namor gets gutted.
it's not like namor was "talking peacefully" when he put his gaurd up, or got in logan's way in the first place durinag that encounter.. he still got cut up.
he wasn't taling peacefully when he came out swinging in civil war or their older confrontation in the sub marinor comic....

Unless he is dehydrated, he is Class 100. It's not being in water that makes him Class 100, it's being hydrated.

And I am still talking about all-out fighting. The type of fighting he does against OTHER characters. You know, when he actually uses all his strength and the little thing called d-o-d-g-i-n-g.

You don't see him wait for Hulk to put his shirt on, or hover peacefully above Thor, do you? 😂

Originally posted by jinzin
no that's what you've WANT to believe about logan, not what you've seen....

No, not really.

Originally posted by jinzin
let's face it here
wonderman had a killing intent.. he couldn't put logan down

Yeah, Wolverine was totally unharmed...

Originally posted by jinzin
hulk WHO PROVED himself to be WELL OVER class 100 tried to "smash little man"..he couldn't put logan down

You know why? 10 second pauses between every hit.

We both know how fast Logan's healing factor works. Only reason why he can even hang with Hulk is the HUGE pauses Hulk has when he fights Wolverine.

Not to mention that Wolverine had the protective full armor of Death which enabled him to walk through Jean Grey's ground-shattering telekinetic assault and Cyclops' full blast etc...

Originally posted by jinzin
maivous-wendigo, a character who trumped alpha flight and was created to compete with the gods of the wilderness went all out on wolverine after wolverine was in a 3 way battle with wendigo already... he COULDN'T PUT LOGAN DOWN

'cause Wolverine was not nearly finished in the end or anything...
http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/7448/hr21iv4.jpg

If Alpha Flight would not have intervened, Logan would be dead.

Originally posted by jinzin
sasquatch was mind controlled in a feral mode and went at logan with a berserker rage.... he got nothing out of logan but smart ass comments "hiya walt"

Because he stopped beating him.

Originally posted by jinzin
mind controlled collosus hit logan with a full on punch and logan didn't even acknowledge it happened.. this feat was repeated in a training practice, and again when wolverine was murauding around as death

Haven't seen any of these either, and Death had armor.

Originally posted by jinzin
grey hulk went all out on wolverine grey hulk ONLY STARTS OUT as a class 80, when angry his strength skyrockets... he couldn't put logan down.

Grey Hulk is still weaker then other Hulk incarnations. And you know how many punches he even landed? Four. That's all. Plenty of time for Logan to heal between them. And hell, his punches sucked ass anyway. When Wolverine dodged them, he barely made effect on the ground below them.

Grey Hulk is not nearly as powerful as Savage or Mindless. Hence, like I have said before, 99% of the Hulk feats are done by Savage and Mindless.

Originally posted by jinzin
tigershark attacked wolverine both in AND OUT of water.. neither attack was suffiecient to put logan down.

Tiger Shark isn't that impressive anyway. Namor's beaten him in three panels when he took it seriously. And beat him and Attuma on the same time while weakened.

Originally posted by jinzin
wendigo has attacked logan on multiple occasions.. he's only EVER been able to take logan out using repeated attacks and usually not until after logan's already KOed wendigo at least once or twice.

Never seen any of their fights, so can't really comment on that.

Originally posted by jinzin
then of course there's abomination who logan curbstomped unconcious without even being touched.

Abomination is a ***** these days anyway. Mortal Hercules one shotted him, and Cap took him out with a shield throw.

Originally posted by jinzin
for god sakes they ought to call logan the anti-brick. he's proven he can hang just fine. doesn't matter how much rationalizing or bitching or SPECULATING you do about it DC wolvie's proven you wrong too many times to ignore.

Yeah, he can hang when they are not fighting like they do most of the time.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Okay. Show me when he has COMPETED with an all-out Class 100 character that was all out. Not getting the shit beat out of him and staying concious, but to COMPETE with them.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Did I say that he was weakened just for the reason that Wolverine could fight him? No. I just said that he is fighting an weak-ass incarnation. Which he was. Most other Hulk incarnations heal from near-vaporization from fifteen seconds, this took more then fifteen minutes to heal his eyes. Most Hulk incarnations take Class 100 shots and Mjolnir straight to face with no harm at all, this one was majorly hurt and bled from a headbutt from Wolverine.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Laugh all you want, maybe it makes you feel better, but it doesn't change the FACT (F-A-C-T) that the Hulk Wolverine fought was weaker then most other Hulk incarnations.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Still haven't realized that POST-Heroes Reborn Hulk is weaker then most other incarnations? Have you even read any Hulk comics after HR?

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Man, all that rant wasted for nothing. ❌

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Standing and confident indeed.

Maybe from the point of view of a mentally retarded paraplegic...

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Yeah, because he's totally gone all out in the other fights.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Hercules, like about every other heroic Marvel brick, holds back when fighting weaker opponents.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
You think he is fighting full power in a bar fight?

nope you think wolvie was using his full skill?

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Unless he is dehydrated, he is Class 100. It's not being in water that makes him Class 100, it's being hydrated.
And I am still talking about all-out fighting. The type of fighting he does against OTHER characters. You know, when he actually uses all his strength and the little thing called d-o-d-g-i-n-g.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
You don't see him wait for Hulk to put his shirt on, or hover peacefully above Thor, do you? 😂

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
No, not really.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Yeah, Wolverine was totally unharmed...

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
You know why? 10 second pauses between every hit.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
We both know how fast Logan's healing factor works. Only reason why he can even hang with Hulk is the HUGE pauses Hulk has when he fights Wolverine.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Not to mention that Wolverine had the protective full armor of Death which enabled him to walk through Jean Grey's ground-shattering telekinetic assault and Cyclops' full blast etc...

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
cause Wolverine was not nearly finished in the end or anything...
http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/7448/hr21iv4.jpg

If Alpha Flight would not have intervened, Logan would be dead.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Because he stopped beating him.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Grey Hulk is still weaker then other Hulk incarnations. And you know how many punches he even landed? Four. That's all. Plenty of time for Logan to heal between them. And hell, his punches sucked ass anyway. When Wolverine dodged them, he barely made effect on the ground below them. .

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Tiger Shark isn't that impressive anyway. Namor's beaten him in three panels when he took it seriously. And beat him and Attuma on the same time while weakened..

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Never seen any of their fights, so can't really comment on that...

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Abomination is a ***** these days anyway. Mortal Hercules one shotted him, and Cap took him out with a shield throw.

FCUK WOLVERINE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Originally posted by jinzin
plenty of the examples I gave you were just fine for that... KOing abomination, causing hulk to start reeling, tigershark, wendigo... it's like you're not even paying attention here...

Commenting on those later...

Originally posted by jinzin
fair enough but does that mean that this hulk wasn't far above class 100? no.. was he far above class 100? yes... did it matter? no.... if anything all you can show there is what happens to a hulk that doesn't have as great a healing factor.... that's all you can show.. and all that means is bad stuff for every brick without a healing factor.

Far above Class 100? Not really, no. That tree was 500 tons at best. General Sherman, the largest redwood ever is 2100 tons, and that tree is nothing compared to it. Hell, Hulk wasn't even that small compared to it. Here is a scale picture for you.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/c7/Sequoia.car.arp.750pix.jpg

Namor, for example, has done more damage to ground while weakened...Wonder Man has done stuff that makes that seem laughable, Thing has caused earthquakes to entire Baxter Building by doing nothing else then stamp his foot...

That's very low class 100 feat at best.

Originally posted by jinzin
not a fact: speculation....
you can't call speculation fact.. he MAY have been less endurable in terms of his healing but his strength was still up to par just fine.. he was still WELL over class 100 which is what you were asking for in the first palce...

May have been less endurable in his healing...?

WELL over Class 100? 😂

Not really.

Originally posted by jinzin
yes... and again.. you like to keep talking about him like he's a consistent character.. he's not... 😐

His incarnations are.

Originally posted by jinzin
because you discard what you don't like.. as usual.

Hey, at least I am not forgetting 99% of history of characters other then Wolverine, eh?

Originally posted by jinzin
or not from the perspective of an crosseyed-inbred who hasn't read the next page.. 🙄

Next page doesn't really matter. Wolverine had no defense against that stone Wonder Man was going to smash him with.

Originally posted by jinzin
you can't determine he wasn't in c of c.

And you can't determine that he was...so that leads us to nowhere...

Originally posted by jinzin
again not paying attention... almost no one holds back on wolverine.. for good reason.

Every hero he fights against does...for a good reason...

Originally posted by jinzin
nope you think wolvie was using his full skill?

And what does that have do to with anything?

Originally posted by jinzin
hard to dodge someone faster and better than you... and hydration is that why he could barely lift an anchor out of water?

He's not faster OR better...

And good old Jinzin...always focusing on one example and forgetting all the rest...Namor's done plenty of Class 100 feats outside water.

Maybe I should focuse on Wolverine's low showings too?

Originally posted by jinzin
civil wars complicated.. the hovering; again he wasn't hovering when wolverine hit him so why act like that's what he was doing? oh that's right because you actually acknowledge that he started fighting wolverine first you'd have to admit that wolverine got his hit in anyways.

Yet, he wasn't pressing attacks when Wolverine was at his weakest (on both Civil War and New Invaders fights...) so he was holding back. So, Wolverine got his hits on Namor who was holding back and not even attempting to dodge, even though he had plenty of time in both fights to do so...

Originally posted by jinzin
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Originally posted by jinzin
didn't say unharmed i said he wasn't put down and he wasn't.

But he would have been...

Originally posted by jinzin
speculation... wolverine's organs turning to jelly and reforming before the next hit isn't though.

He was losing conciousness on Wolverine #145...only Hulk's momentum allowed him to stab him in last ditch effort...

Originally posted by jinzin
wrong.

Correct...after Hulk started raining continous blows, Wolverine was losing conciousness...read the comic.

Originally posted by jinzin
for one that armor had physonic defenses.... hence his no selling jean.

Psychic defenses don't help you against hard telekinetic energy hitting you...or the ground hitting you...

Originally posted by jinzin
two.. he's already walked through cyc's blast without the armor. 😐

And he has failed to do it more times...and the blast deflected away from the armor...

Originally posted by jinzin
three.. that armor didn't fair him to well against cable or angel...

Huh? It is specifically said that his armor stopped Cables psimitar...
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y31/DarknessBDJM/Apocalypse%202/xastonishingx-men-002-22.jpg

And he beat Angel's ass, what are you smoking?

Originally posted by jinzin
four what exactly do you think that armor did for him against a redwood? 🤨

Er...lessen the impact...?

Originally posted by jinzin
didn't say that.. said he wasn't put down... and he wasn't... hence why he ends up sending that hybrid into a vortex in the next issue....

Being unable to move and barely concious isn't really competing to me.

Originally posted by jinzin
he took a full on assualt from a class 100 which is what you've asked for.. you never said their had to be a time limit or a punch count... it's not like he's gonna LET namor hit him all day here.

Yeah, he can't help it if he doesn't have choice. Like you see from all examples where he is hit continually, he really can't do anything unless they STOP hitting him.

Originally posted by jinzin
still class 100: you know, what you asked for...

No. He only punched him three times when he got angry.

Originally posted by jinzin
still class 100: you know, what you asked for...

Tiger Shark isn't Class 100...🤨

Both Namor and Hulk have one-shotted him...

Originally posted by jinzin
still class 100: you know, what you asked for...

When has Wendigo been proven as Class 100 anyway?

Originally posted by jinzin
still class 100: you know, what you asked for... 😐

I think you missed something...current Abomination isn't Class 100.

When he started, he handily kicked Savage Hulk's ass in three panels.

Now, Mortal Hercules one-shots him. So does Cap.

I perfectly know what I am asking for...you have troubles understanding it.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
He was losing conciousness on Wolverine #145...only Hulk's momentum allowed him to stab him in last ditch effort...

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Correct...after Hulk started raining continous blows, Wolverine was losing conciousness...read the comic.

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This image would have been enough. ✅

I like to present things in context

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Originally posted by manjaro
...or it turns out that this was all in some kid's imagination

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I hope so .... 😄

Just had to say nice debate guys. Jinzin and Darkcrawler good work

hi i am back, had problems with my comp but now its fixed, anyway i see that you say wolverine cant hang out with 100 hitters? ye thats why he fought wendigo and went toe to toe with him , or when wolverine took beating from sesquatch and was ok, and of course the hulk
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wolverine could take hulk out but stopped i say its magic
😑 , the thing is that wolverine have what it takes to hurt all them and thats his claws, he got what it takes to do it thanx to his skills, and guess what? he got what it takes to take hits from them thanx to the healing factor and adamantium skeleton .... i say its magik too, oh and by the way against all this namor thing i already said it and i will say it again.... namor was overskilled thats why he couldnt duck and couldnt move its not that he was too slow its just wolverine was too fast and thats a fact you just got your speculations , and saying that namor should knock wolverine with a punch? guess what? namor went toe to toe with daredevil and couldnt knock him out

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well as you can see he couldnt knock daredevil and they were some punches from namor that couldnt hit daredevil which means that he is not that fast and daredevil is faster, now wolverine got the strength over daredevil, the skills over him, dont know about the speed but he is hell got more stamina then daredevil so you see theres no reason why wolverine cant be faster then namor, if daredevil got the weapon that wolverine has he could take namor out, wolverine got the claws to hurt namor and combined with all his skills i say theres no reason why he shouldnt take namor down

Originally posted by wolvertooth
he got what it takes to take hits from them thanx to the healing factor and adamantium skeleton

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f95/t421111.html

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scoobles... you know that over that fight with wendigo ( wolverine even didnt have his adamentium) he got milion fights were he heals from fighting characters like hulk , the strongest form of wendig.... thats like one of some poor issues where you can see wolverine like that and he got milion more to top that

You do realise that when he didn't have the adamantium his healing powers were stronger than when he did... due to them not having to constantly protect from adamantium poisoning (or rust or something stupid like that)

i see that i have to say the same thing twice, for that poor issue wolverine got milion issues were he heals from much much worse things and you know that , wolverines healing factor was taken to test many times , so really man i understand that its cool here to go against wolverine and you are trying to be one of the guys so you go against him bla bla bla.... but!!! saying that his healing factor cant take beating from wendigo when he already fought the strongest form of wendigo and took everything and stabed him?? please you just look funny man stop

Um....😕 I think you just got told Scoob 🙄