Originally posted by galan7777777
im not saying he couldnt create a universe, but u can just assume that he can, he has never done so on pannel as lucifer has
Actually LT made Silver Surfer a Universe for a moment.
He could of just as easily left him there as a Universe, but that's not LT's way, he has a guideline, it was simply a gift, "a moment of Godhood"..as it's quoted.
Magus, with an Incomplete IG, punked the UN.
Quasar directed ALL the power of the Ultimate Nullifier at Magus alone
Quasar was actually able to set it off, the same device Reed wiped out and remade the Multiverse with.
Magus controlled those energies and negated Quasar with them,
Absolute control..notice how they engulf Quasar evenly.
"With a Thought, I turn the Universe's most devastating weapon upon it's bearer"
Living Tribunal is above a Complete IG.
LT said he represents power that dwarfs the IG
Warlock acknowledge that LT serves someone beyond the IG
And the bio says Living Tribunal is above the IG straight up. --------
LT said it.
Warlock said it.
Living Tribunal's bio says it.
http://img102.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ltbio6iy.jpg
Originally posted by Mr Master
Magus, with an Incomplete IG, punked the UN.Quasar directed ALL the power of the Ultimate Nullifier at Magus alone
Quasar was actually able to set it off, the same device Reed wiped out and remade the Multiverse with.
Magus controlled those energies and negated Quasar with them,
Absolute control..notice how they engulf Quasar evenly."With a Thought, I turn the Universe's most devastating weapon upon it's bearer"
Living Tribunal is above a Complete IG.
LT said he represents power that dwarfs the IG
Warlock acknowledge that LT serves someone beyond the IG
And the bio says Living Tribunal is above the IG straight up. --------
LT said it.
Warlock said it.
Living Tribunal's bio says it.
http://img102.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ltbio6iy.jpg
What does any of this have to do with the fact that Lucifer's will supercedes The LT's own. The Bio says that the Lt represents something greater. It is not saying that he himself is greater. This means nothing.
Ultimate Nullifier Remade the Multi-verse...
Abraxas was collapsing the MULTI-VERSE, he didn't need the UN to destroy a Universe at all.
Abraxas's very existence causes Reality to fall apart
Here Reed says "our Earth is merging with other Alternates"...how can this be...unless the entire Multiverse is misaligned.
Here Nova says "creatures of the MULTIVERSE Mixing --- Reality folding onto itself" again this Multiversal misalignment is literally ripping the Multiverse apart.
Abraxas had the Ultimate Nullifier, Galactus took it from him...NOT by Force...by simply willing it....
Because the Ultimate Nullifier is an ASPECT of Galactus
And so Galactus has more control over the UN than anyone.
Then Nova rips through Galactus's ear and Galactus drops the UN into Reed's hands.
Because Abraxas was collapsing the MULTI-VERSE, the only way to banish Abraxas and UNDO the Mis-alignement ACROSS the Multi-verse, was to DESTROY and REMAKE the Multi-verse.
Reed, "In order to REALIGN ALL that is...we had to END ALL that was.
What was MISALIGNED?
The MULTI-VERSE!
Reed uses the Ultimate Nullifier to banish Abraxas & Remake the Multiverse
And again, when has the lt ever done anything on his own? Where is his will? His power is not his own. If the presence allows Lucifer to operate outside the laws of any universe, and Lucifer's will is as great as the presence's himself, I don't see Lt doing squat to Lucifer. He would probably get talked about and laughed at.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
The Bio says that the Lt represents something greater. It is not saying that he himself is greater. This means nothing.
Warlock destroys the hierarchy of representitives, except for LT ofcourse.
With a gesture LT STOPS the IG ATTACK and RECREATES the Abstratcs
Here he DETERMINES whether he HAD the power or NOT, he EVIDENTLY knew he did.
After Warlock's "warning" of how powerful he was, LT STILL rules against him.
Here LT acknowledges that it would take destroying this UNIVERSE in order to take the Gauntlet from Warlock, he's not hesitating, he's not feeling dubious about the outcome, he simply rather not have to obliterate a Reality (a Universe) to strip Adam of the IG.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
And again, when has the lt ever done anything on his own? Where is his will? His power is not his own. If the presence allows Lucifer to operate outside the laws of any universe, and Lucifer's will is as great as the presence's himself, I don't see Lt doing squat to Lucifer. He would probably get talked about and laughed at.
Your first excuse was the bio doesn't say that.
Since the scans of him transforming the Surfer into a Universe was nitch to you
You read the bio and see the scans and now you give me this.
enuff.
In Lucifer #12, Lucifer killed Michael and then seemed to absorb the demiurgic power and then use that to create a whole Creation not just a universe (616 is a universe, the whole marvel omniverse would qualify as a Creation, for instance the DCU proper, the 4th World, the 5D imps world, etc all exist within that one Creation, all those infinite earths from before CoIE were all in that one creation, so is all of hypertime).
I don't think that in an all out reality destroying battle that the LT could kill Lucifer, but Lucifer could kill the LT. So basically 5.1/10 for Lucifer
Originally posted by thtadthtshldntb
In Lucifer #12, Lucifer killed Michael and then seemed to absorb the demiurgic power and then use that to create a whole Creation not just a universe (616 is a universe, the whole marvel omniverse would qualify as a Creation, for instance the DCU proper, the 4th World, the 5D imps world, etc all exist within that one Creation, all those infinite earths from before CoIE were all in that one creation, so is all of hypertime).I don't think that in an all out reality destroying battle that the LT could kill Lucifer, but Lucifer could kill the LT. So basically 5.1/10 for Lucifer
Lucifer CREATED an Omni-verse? 😱
Dude, then it's like Lucifer 14/10. 😆
Originally posted by Mr Master
Your first excuse was the bio doesn't say that.Since the scans of him transforming the Surfer into a Universe was nitch to you
You read the bio and see the scans and now you give me this.
enuff.
NO I said his bio didn't say that he was more than anything. He represents higher powers. Have you had enuff?
Originally posted by thtadthtshldntb
In Lucifer #12, Lucifer killed Michael and then seemed to absorb the demiurgic power and then use that to create a whole Creation not just a universe (616 is a universe, the whole marvel omniverse would qualify as a Creation, for instance the DCU proper, the 4th World, the 5D imps world, etc all exist within that one Creation, all those infinite earths from before CoIE were all in that one creation, so is all of hypertime).I don't think that in an all out reality destroying battle that the LT could kill Lucifer, but Lucifer could kill the LT. So basically 5.1/10 for Lucifer
Originally posted by thtadthtshldntband lucifer did not create an omniverse
In Lucifer #12, Lucifer killed Michael and then seemed to absorb the demiurgic power and then use that to create a whole Creation not just a universe (616 is a universe, the whole marvel omniverse would qualify as a Creation, for instance the DCU proper, the 4th World, the 5D imps world, etc all exist within that one Creation, all those infinite earths from before CoIE were all in that one creation, so is all of hypertime).I don't think that in an all out reality destroying battle that the LT could kill Lucifer, but Lucifer could kill the LT. So basically 5.1/10 for Lucifer
