Originally posted by §P0oONY
You have to accept that music is not everyone's life AC. Maybe in the future I'll research but right now, I'm kind of concentrating on things that matter to me, like my education.And it's not like I don't know anything about musical history.
That's fine, but how does that relate to what I said?
Ok, music isn't important to you, I understand that. I understand you don't care about labels and genres, right? Neither do I, but I know well enough if I have to discuss, you do not. By no means is that uncommon, or a bad thing, but my point is simple: If you truly don't care, then don't label. If you care enough to label, label properly or don't label at all.
By saying you don't care, but making the ignorant choice to label a band or genre, you run the risk of doing so incorrectly. If you do so incorrectly, don't moan when I prove you are, or when I point it out. The common retort is: "Oh who cares?!". If you don't care, don't label. If you care enough to label, care enough to get it right.
At least be consistent.
-AC
Originally posted by §P0oONY
I do label properly... I label the music the same way the band and the fans do.
That's not properly, that's just going along with popular opinion. From the fan point of view, anyway.
Fall Out Boy have been known to call themselves pop punk, and there's nothing punk about them at all, they make Green Day look like Fugazi (Ironically one of the original emo bands), so going along with them wouldn't work.
You are still operating under the assumption that genres are simply things that fans decide. They're not.
Just because someone calls Taking Back Sunday emo, doesn't mean they are (they aren't, by the way). Infact, most of these bands labelled FALSELY as emo, would deny that they're emo anyway. They may come up with a 'core label, which is even more ridiculous, but even they would deny it, because they're not emo.
Tool call themselves hard rock, and upon looking into it you can clearly see that they easily qualify as a hard rock band. Avril Lavigne has called herself rock, and her fans have also. Upon...well I was going to say further inspection, but upon first listening to anything she's ever done, you can see she's a pop artist.
Originally posted by §P0oONY
I never said I didn't care. Don't put those words in my mouth.
Then if you care, care enough to not get it wrong, or alternatively; Keep your wayward ways of labelling bands wrong, just don't moan when someone more educated pulls you up for it.
-AC
Originally posted by §P0oONY
I understand that you have a lot of respect for the Artists but I simply just fell from the other side of the tree. Music's not really a primary thing; It's just entertainment to me, like watching a film, I enjoy it but I'm not to interested in how much it cost to film, promote etc.To be honest I wasn't planning on getting into a discussion about it, definitely not with someone who would have me completely outflanked, such as yourself but I simply just can't reply when someone question's my opinions and I wouldn't say I'm disrespecting the Artists by being simply ignorant.
Originally posted by Alpha CentauriThen if you care, care enough to not get it wrong, or alternatively; Keep your wayward ways of labelling bands wrong, just don't moan when someone more educated pulls you up for it.
-AC
More educated? How is someone more educated in music? do you have some sort of PhD in performance practice? Even then I doubt it would count.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
That's not properly, that's just going along with popular opinion. From the fan point of view, anyway.Fall Out Boy have been known to call themselves pop punk, and there's nothing punk about them at all, they make Green Day look like Fugazi (Ironically one of the original emo bands), so going along with them wouldn't work.
You are still operating under the assumption that genres are simply things that fans decide. They're not.
Just because someone calls Taking Back Sunday emo, doesn't mean they are (they aren't, by the way). Infact, most of these bands labelled FALSELY as emo, would deny that they're emo anyway. They may come up with a 'core label, which is even more ridiculous, but even they would deny it, because they're not emo.
Tool call themselves hard rock, and upon looking into it you can clearly see that they easily qualify as a hard rock band. Avril Lavigne has called herself rock, and her fans have also. Upon...well I was going to say further inspection, but upon first listening to anything she's ever done, you can see she's a pop artist.
Who says I label music in the way popular culture does? Not me.. I only used that point to say that Emo was a real genre... don't take things out of context
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Then if you care, care enough to not get it wrong, or alternatively; Keep your wayward ways of labelling bands wrong, just don't moan when someone more educated pulls you up for it.-AC
I really don't see myself moaning, I've enjoyed this discussion but it's coming to 1AM and I'm really not in the mood anymore.
[ ] You listen to Hawthorne Heights
[ ] You listen to The Used
[ ] You listen to Taking Back Sunday
[ ] You listen to Senses Fail
[ ] You listen to HIM
[ ] You listen to other "Emo" Bands that were not listed.
Total: 0
[ ] You own more than 1 band tee
[X] You own more than 1 black shirt
[ ] You or your friends wear tight pants
[ ] You have thick rim glasses
[ ] You wear black eyeliner everyday
Total: 1
[ ] You don't jump around when you go to shows
[ ] You hate your life and want to die
[ ] You constantly want attention but act like you don't
[ ] You cut (Or have) yourself
[ ] You cry alot
Total: 0
[ ] Hardcore kids scare you
[ ] You would never go into a MOSH* pit
[ ] You wear black nail polish
[ ] You feel like an outcast
[ ] You write emo lyrics all over the place
[ ] Your friends are emo (One of Them)
[ ] You have flippy long bangs and short hair at the back
[ ] You dyed your hair a color other than your natural color
[ ] You have an emo Myspace name
[ ] You have pictures of you looking down and not smiling
[ ]You feel like no one gets you
[ ] You.type.like.this.sometimes.
[ ] You make everyone feel sorry for you
[ ] You have written a poem
[ ] It was depressing
[ ] And about an ex or relationship
[ ] Your friends don't like taking you places because you complain the entire time
[ ] No one thinks you're fun
[ ] You like Hot Topic
[ ] You think you're ugly
[ ] Your screen name has Xs in it
[ ] You think boys kissing is sexy
Total: 0
[ ] You take offense to the "Emo Kid" song
[ ] You have claimed to be emo before it was "cool"
[ ] You have claimed that you are not emo... but you really are
[ ] People make fun of you and say you're emo
[ ] Your jealous of everyone
[ ] You like to go around looking for other emo kids
[ ] You think emo will never die
[ ] You get mad when people say it will
[ ] You carry a razor around with you
2% Emo. Time to cut my wrists....
Why is the black shirt, and poem one in there?
I'm not exing the poem one, because everyone has to, in school.
Originally posted by §P0oONY
Who says I label music in the way popular culture does? Not me.. I only used that point to say that Emo was a real genre... don't take things out of context
Did you or did you not say that if many people say something is a genre, it's a genre? That implies that you believe in the majority opinion more than enough for me to make the educated guess.
Did you or did you not say you label bands/genres the way the fans do?
Either way; We've been over the emo discussion as a genre. Give or take a few bands, I've reason to believe you know what it is.
Originally posted by §P0oONY
I really don't see myself moaning, I've enjoyed this discussion.
That was more in general than aimed at you. I think it's rather stupid to label a genre wrong, then when you're called out on it and proven wrong, say: "Who cares?".
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Did you or did you not say that if many people say something is a genre, it's a genre? That implies that you believe in the majority opinion more than enough for me to make the educated guess.
I did, but that was just to reply so Matt's comment about you apprently saying that Emo was not a Genre... I said it because you can't deny the excistance of a genre.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Did you or did you not say you label bands/genres the way the fans do?
I did... but I meant in the way that the actual fans of the specific bands.. Who do you think writes the band's Wikipedia page?
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Either way; We've been over the emo discussion as a genre. Give or take a few bands, I've reason to believe you know what it is.
That's because I do.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
That was more in general than aimed at you. I think it's rather stupid to label a genre wrong, then when you're called out on it and proven wrong, say: "Who cares?".-AC
Okay.... I agree... but why say a general statement in a conversation that's just me and you... 1 on 1?
Originally posted by Alpha CentauriJust take the test and stop whining!
That's not properly, that's just going along with popular opinion. From the fan point of view, anyway.Fall Out Boy have been known to call themselves pop punk, and there's nothing punk about them at all, they make Green Day look like Fugazi (Ironically one of the original emo bands), so going along with them wouldn't work.
You are still operating under the assumption that genres are simply things that fans decide. They're not.
Just because someone calls Taking Back Sunday emo, doesn't mean they are (they aren't, by the way). Infact, most of these bands labelled FALSELY as emo, would deny that they're emo anyway. They may come up with a 'core label, which is even more ridiculous, but even they would deny it, because they're not emo.
Tool call themselves hard rock, and upon looking into it you can clearly see that they easily qualify as a hard rock band. Avril Lavigne has called herself rock, and her fans have also. Upon...well I was going to say further inspection, but upon first listening to anything she's ever done, you can see she's a pop artist.
Then if you care, care enough to not get it wrong, or alternatively; Keep your wayward ways of labelling bands wrong, just don't moan when someone more educated pulls you up for it.
-AC
The Emo Test
[ ] You listen to Hawthorne Heights
[ ] You listen to The Used
[ ] You listen to Taking Back Sunday
[ ] You listen to Senses Fail
[ ] You listen to HIM
[] You listen to other "Emo" Bands that were not listed.
Total: 0
[] You own more than 1 band tee
[X] You own more than 1 black shirt
[ ] You or your friends wear tight pants
[] You have thick rim glasses
[ ] You wear black eyeliner everyday
Total: 1
[ ] You don't jump around when you go to shows
[ ] You hate your life and want to die
[ ] You constantly want attention but act like you don't
[] You cut (Or have) yourself (have)
[ ] You cry alot
Total: 0
[ ] Hardcore kids scare you
[ ] You would never go into a MOSH* pit
[ ] You wear black nail polish
[] You feel like an outcast
[ ] You write emo lyrics all over the place
[] Your friends are emo (One of Them)
[ ] You have flippy long bangs and short hair at the back
[ ] You dyed your hair a color other than your natural color
[ ] You have an emo Myspace name (McHottyHotPants? Emo? I think not)
[ ] You have pictures of you looking down and not smiling
[ ]You feel like no one gets you
[ ] You.type.like.this.sometimes.
[ ] You make everyone feel sorry for you
[] You have written a poem
[] It was depressing
[ ] And about an ex or relationship
[ ] Your friends don't like taking you places because you complain the entire time
[ ] No one thinks you're fun
[x] You like Hot Topic
[ ] You think you're ugly
[ ] Your screen name has Xs in it
[ ] You think boys kissing is sexy
Total: 1
[ ] You take offense to the "Emo Kid" song
[ ] You have claimed to be emo before it was "cool"
[ ] You have claimed that you are not emo... but you really are
[ ] People make fun of you and say you're emo
[ ] Your jealous of everyone
[ ] You like to go around looking for other emo kids
[ ] You think emo will never die
[ ] You get mad when people say it will
[ ] You carry a razor around with you
Total:0
4% Emo...oh nooooo
Originally posted by §P0oONY
I did, but that was just to reply so Matt's comment about you apprently saying that Emo was not a Genre... I said it because you can't deny the excistance of a genre.
You can't deny the existence of a genre, you can deny the credibility of a label, you can fault the application of a label.
I.E: Modern day "Emo".
Originally posted by §P0oONY
I did... but I meant in the way that the actual fans of the specific bands.. Who do you think writes the band's Wikipedia page?
Anyone who wants to. Some get it right, some don't.
Originally posted by §P0oONY
That's because I do.
We'll see.
Originally posted by §P0oONY
Okay.... I agree... but why say a general statement in a conversation that's just me and you... 1 on 1?
Because we're not discussing us, we're simply discussing our view on a general issue, brought about by someone who "doesn't care".
-AC
[ ] You listen to Hawthorne Heights
[ ] You listen to The Used
[ ] You listen to Taking Back Sunday
[ ] You listen to Senses Fail
[X ] You listen to HIM
[] You listen to other "Emo" Bands that were not listed.
Total: 1
[x] You own more than 1 band tee
[X] You own more than 1 black shirt
[ ] You or your friends wear tight pants
[] You have thick rim glasses
[ ] You wear black eyeliner everyday
Total: 3
[ ] You don't jump around when you go to shows
[ ] You hate your life and want to die
[ ] You constantly want attention but act like you don't
[] You cut (Or have) yourself (have)
[ ] You cry alot
Total: 3
[ ] Hardcore kids scare you
[ ] You would never go into a MOSH* pit
[ ] You wear black nail polish
[] You feel like an outcast
[ ] You write emo lyrics all over the place
[] Your friends are emo (One of Them)
[ ] You have flippy long bangs and short hair at the back
[ ] You dyed your hair a color other than your natural color
[ ] You have an emo Myspace name (McHottyHotPants? Emo? I think not)
[ ] You have pictures of you looking down and not smiling
[ ]You feel like no one gets you
[ ] You.type.like.this.sometimes.
[ ] You make everyone feel sorry for you
[] You have written a poem
[] It was depressing
[ ] And about an ex or relationship
[ ] Your friends don't like taking you places because you complain the entire time
[ ] No one thinks you're fun
[ ] You like Hot Topic
[ ] You think you're ugly
[ ] Your screen name has Xs in it
[ ] You think boys kissing is sexy
Total: 3
[ ] You take offense to the "Emo Kid" song
[ ] You have claimed to be emo before it was "cool"
[ ] You have claimed that you are not emo... but you really are
[ ] People make fun of you and say you're emo
[ ] Your jealous of everyone
[ ] You like to go around looking for other emo kids
[ ] You think emo will never die
[ ] You get mad when people say it will
[ ] You carry a razor around with you
Total:3
6% Emo, nice!
Well, I'd love to continue this discussion AC but I'm going to hit the sack... If you see this as an argument (and I hope you don't) then I admit defeat.
I know what a lot of Genre's are and I'm learning about more all the time, I'm just not really great at assigning them to specific bands, that's why I use wikipedia, if it has them wrong, then I'll be wrong some of the time, it doesn't change the music.
You should write a book or something, you seem knowledgeable, maybe it'd stop you harassing forum members for a while... I'm only kidding about the harassment thing but you should consider writing some sort of book.
Originally posted by §P0oONY
Well, I'd love to continue this discussion AC but I'm going to hit the sack... If you see this as an argument (and I hope you don't) then I admit defeat.I know what a lot of Genre's are and I'm learning about more all the time, I'm just not really great at assigning them to specific bands, that's why I use wikipedia, if it has them wrong, then I'll be wrong some of the time, it doesn't change the music.
You should write a book or something, you seem knowledgeable, maybe it'd stop you harassing forum members for a while... I'm only kidding but you should consider writing some sort of book.
I'll call it Ye Book.
I'd never do that, though. I discuss it now and then, but I'd never attempt to cater to people who are genuinely stupid like that. If people still get it wrong after all I've said here, I'll be dead before I ever put effort into a book trying to help them.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I'll call it Ye Book.I'd never do that, though. I discuss it now and then, but I'd never attempt to cater to people who are genuinely stupid like that. If people still get it wrong after all I've said here, I'll be dead before I ever put effort into a book trying to help them.
Why are you too an idiot?