Originally posted by queeq
Not in SW.
I don't think thats true.
In the PT, there is a lot of concern, especially voiced by Padme in ROTS, that questions the motives of the "good" side.
Charaters that flip, sides, say Anakin, have grey areas in the film "I'm lost."
When Lucas tries to force the story to his two-tone mold (like when Anakin sporadically kills Mace and then becomes an insta-Sith) people get confused and Lucas' logic doesn't really sit right with most people.
I fully believe that Lucas intended to make a two toned saga, however, I don't believe he absolutely achieved his goal.
Originally posted by Alliance
I don't think thats true.In the PT, there is a lot of concern, especially voiced by Padme in ROTS, that questions the motives of the "good" side.
Charaters that flip, sides, say Anakin, have grey areas in the film "I'm lost."
When Lucas tries to force the story to his two-tone mold (like when Anakin sporadically kills Mace and then becomes an insta-Sith) people get confused and Lucas' logic doesn't really sit right with most people.
I fully believe that Lucas intended to make a two toned saga, however, I don't believe he absolutely achieved his goal.
The reason Padme questions the motives is because the 'good' side is actually evil, remember? Pretty basic.
Sorry, but no, you are wrong. It is black and white in Star Wars, and simply your interpretation at fault.
Originally posted by Ushgarak
The reason Padme questions the motives is because the 'good' side is actually evil, remember? Pretty basic.Sorry, but no, you are wrong. It is black and white in Star Wars, and simply your interpretation at fault.
Wait...we are playing with perceptions of good and evil? That seems like shades of grey to me.
I never did get that...in AOTC when talking to Kenobi in prison...the whole "join me, and we can destroy the Sith" speech.Was that indended to be a ploy (take Kenobi as an apprentice and overthrow Sidious), or did Dooku actually think he could overthrow Sidious and destroy the Sith (say if he also gave up his lordship)?
Ah, those Sith Lords, always scheming they are.
Because Qui-Gon was Dooku's padawan, Dooku thought Obi-Wan would be an excellent apprentice. He had a connection. He tried to lure Obi to join him.
At the time of the "join me" speech, Dooku had not revealed himself as a Sith lord. His persona was just a mere war profiteer and polical idealist. Dooku's intention was to try to lure Obi-Wan; not to destroy the Sith, but to become his apprentice and, perhaps later, reveal his Sithhood and destroy Sidious. But Dooku was tricking Obi-Wan and not revealing who he really was.
The whole Dooku speech confused the heck out of me when I first saw it, I didn't think Dooku was so evil until he started throwing the lightning around. As the great villain of Ep II, he's hard to top. It's the best kind of villain who makes you think he's your friend.
Originally posted by chinabing
Ah, those Sith Lords, always scheming they are.Because Qui-Gon was Dooku's padawan, Dooku thought Obi-Wan would be an excellent apprentice. He had a connection. He tried to lure Obi to join him.
At the time of the "join me" speech, Dooku had not revealed himself as a Sith lord. His persona was just a mere war profiteer and polical idealist. Dooku's intention was to try to lure Obi-Wan; not to destroy the Sith, but to become his apprentice and, perhaps later, reveal his Sithhood and destroy Sidious. But Dooku was tricking Obi-Wan and not revealing who he really was.
The whole Dooku speech confused the heck out of me when I first saw it, I didn't think Dooku was so evil until he started throwing the lightning around. As the great villain of Ep II, he's hard to top. It's the best kind of villain who makes you think he's your friend.
I agree with the last part. Your rationale is logical...but its a side topic anyway.
Originally posted by Rampant oxexactly
Dooku left the jedi order becuase he thought it was corrupt. He then joined the sith because of his ambitious desires to become better than everyone else. "I have become more powerful than any jedi". He also beecame a sith to help build a new Republic because he didnt think the old one was working. So from his point of view he was doing good, but in reality he was creating a war and killing millions of people.
Originally posted by AllianceHe tried to turn Obi-Wan.
I never did get that...in AOTC when talking to Kenobi in prison...the whole "join me, and we can destroy the Sith" speech.Was that indended to be a ploy (take Kenobi as an apprentice and overthrow Sidious), or did Dooku actually think he could overthrow Sidious and destroy the Sith (say if he also gave up his lordship)?
Did Lucas ever say anything on what he intended?
Originally posted by General Kon-El
exactly
No, not exactly. That is simply his justification. The truth is that he is an evil, power-hungry mass murderer who helped perpetrate the greatest evil the Galaxy ever saw.
If you want to say that from a point of view he is good, then to paraphrase Obi-Wan, that point of view is lost.
Originally posted by Ushgarak
No, not exactly. That is simply his justification. The truth is that he is an evil, power-hungry mass murderer who helped perpetrate the greatest evil the Galaxy ever saw.If you want to say that from a point of view he is good, then to paraphrase Obi-Wan, that point of view is lost.
You don't think that people can do "evil" actions while trying to do "good."