Originally posted by Tshern
I kinda agree with The-Jugde. JLA, for example, is just a collection of their toughest heroes, what's the point of having a hero team with multiple Class100 guys, loads of people exceeding the speed of light and asskickers who can do pretty much anything you can come up with? That's why I don't like JLA, it's too homogenous...
I Disagree. If those uber characters are being written by good writers, e.g. Goeff Johns, Mark Waid or Grant Morisson the books themselves can be sublime.
Originally posted by UniOmni
Imo, villains should clearly be more powerful than badguys. No point in going after someone who can beat the stuffing outta you. Thats clearly idiotic.
Villains should have no reason to fear heroes.
It should be the other way around.
Because even if i can throw a punch that levels cities, if i have an archnemisis that can do the same, but five hundred times in one second, you better believe he won't be my main nemesis long.
Superman my arch rival?? Nah. Moving down the line to Superboy i'll be.
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I Disagree ..... If that was the case you would have reason to ask why a bad guy doesn't faltern a city every time he throws a punch ? IMO Villains are better when they are like the Invisible Woman, i.e. they aren't packing the biggest punch in the world, but they are still capable of exploding you're lungs from the inside out.
Anyway, I used to only care about power levels, and feats and stuff like that, but now I mainly concentrate on the quality of the story. Which is why i collect everything from the Runaways to the Wildcats.And Its why stay away from the Vs forum, especially considering the Anti D.C. attitudes that are prominent .
Originally posted by Validus
Not really. Like you I've grown wary of the Vs. forum.
U have to go on them everyday to keep up with the general consensus about who can do what. Plus there is way too much anti D.C. views, and not all the anti D.C. people are more morons anymore. Its hard to compete with people who can bring out evidence from comics that are 30 - 40 years old of characters like Doctor Strange, Odin and the Silver Surfer destroying multi verses e.t.c. I get everything i want to know about from this forum any way. Plus people who insult others when they are drunk are not popular. 🙁
Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
U have to go on them everyday to keep up with the general consensus about who can do what. Plus there is way too much anti D.C. views, and not all the anti D.C. people are more morons anymore. Its hard to compete with people who can bring out evidence from comics that are 30 - 40 years old of characters like Doctor Strange, Odin and the Silver Surfer destroying multi verses e.t.c. 🙁
Re: DC comics overpowering
Originally posted by The-Judge
except for batman, is it just me, or is every hero from dc totally overpowered?superman
spectre
green lantern
flash
wonderwomanand so on
What's pathetic about DC is how they've been continuously altering and increasing the powers of their "heroic" characters in a childish attempt to make them more popular with each one's fanbase. The problem is that they are doing it to a lot of their characters which deadens the effect and then requires even more powering up. It's almost like a competition within DC to see who can make their character stand out the most using power boosts. Marvel has started doing this lately with some of their idiotic characters like sentry, genis, etc.. The 80's was the worst period for marvel with really disgusting characters like molecule man and the beyonder becoming very prominent. Just disgusting writing. They've improved a lot since then and (on the whole) seem headed in the right direction. But I'm sure they'll find a way to screw it up.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Ur so not kidding right? Orion, Hal jordan, and WW would put Those two down without any help from anyone else.
Originally posted by Grimm22
Hell no im not saying that ❌I will say that DS beating Kyle was PIS, but when DS beats Flash he outsmarts him or whatnot.
Its like comparing apples to oranges.
Besides in an all out fight we all know that Flash would kill DS with ease
Originally posted by Validus
No it isn't. Their feats just aren't accepted. I can show scans GL containing a big bang, creating speed force avatars and Daxamites, etc. and he's still apparently not as powerful as Silver Surfer. It takes a dozen pages of scans just to prove Flash can time travel.
I agree .... but i dont really post scans , I just recollect what ive seen previously. But 'I tend to reject feats of such ridiculous power from both companies (From non Abstract characters) as they are not consistent with their normal/regular performances.
Originally posted by Validus
That's why I usually just respond with nonsensical bs and watch people flip out on me (see: Galactus Vs JLA).
I used to do that a lot but i gets very old very quickly, and Whirly was only person who enjoyed, it any way. Thats why i made a conscious decision to avoid the vrs thread. Infact the only reason i come on this thread is to see scans of comics that are newly realeased or to find out rumours about fourthcoming events. I find real life to a LOT more enjoyable than this Cyber crap.
Re: Re: DC comics overpowering
Originally posted by aliveinboston
What's pathetic about DC is how they've been continuously altering and increasing the powers of their "heroic" characters in a childish attempt to make them more popular with each one's fanbase. The problem is that they are doing it to a lot of their characters which deadens the effect and then requires even more powering up. It's almost like a competition within DC to see who can make their character stand out the most using power boosts. Marvel has started doing this lately with some of their idiotic characters like sentry, genis, etc.. The 80's was the worst period for marvel with really disgusting characters like molecule man and the beyonder becoming very prominent. Just disgusting writing. They've improved a lot since then and (on the whole) seem headed in the right direction. But I'm sure they'll find a way to screw it up.
Good post and i entirely agree ... Although power Inflation (What you describing above) is good when done Well. Grant Morisson and Warren Ellis, and the Great allan Moore are brilliant at it. Miller and Bendis are not. 🙂
Originally posted by Validus
No it isn't. Their feats just aren't accepted. I can show scans GL containing a big bang, creating speed force avatars and Daxamites, etc. and he's still apparently not as powerful as Silver Surfer. It takes a dozen pages of scans just to prove Flash can time travel. That's why I usually just respond with nonsensical bs and watch people flip out on me (see: Galactus Vs JLA).
In truth, it sometimes comes out when going against people who don't read the comics, but only skim forums.
It hurts the debates.
And Flash and GL are hella powerful.
I just don't see them being the deciding factors when taking on Odin and the like. What they bring to the table together though, is hella impressive.
And do you see me as anti DC??
Cuz i'd like to think i'm not.
Just anti Jobber auras.
Originally posted by Validus
No it isn't. Their feats just aren't accepted. I can show scans GL containing a big bang, creating speed force avatars and Daxamites, etc. and he's still apparently not as powerful as Silver Surfer. It takes a dozen pages of scans just to prove Flash can time travel. That's why I usually just respond with nonsensical bs and watch people flip out on me (see: Galactus Vs JLA).
That's true, and yet some of them are so quick to accept Hulk punching an asteroid twice the size of Earth.
Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
I Disagree ..... If that was the case you would have reason to ask why a bad guy doesn't faltern a city every time he throws a punch ? IMO Villains are better when they are like the Invisible Woman, i.e. they aren't packing the biggest punch in the world, but they are still capable of exploding you're lungs from the inside out.Anyway, I used to only care about power levels, and feats and stuff like that, but now I mainly concentrate on the quality of the story. Which is why i collect everything from the Runaways to the Wildcats.And Its why stay away from the Vs forum, especially considering the Anti D.C. attitudes that are prominent .
The biggest problem imo, with villains existing because heroes don't wanna cross a line, makes the hero the ultimate badguy in the overall picture.
Lets say DC does close down, and decided to impart a list of people/beings killed by each baddie.
When you have a character like the joker, who took control of reality and wasn't killed after the day was saved, somethings wrong.
When someone like that can kill trillions on a whim, and you decide not to cross a line, you stop being the hero.
Heros don't kill true. Heroes don't kill win millions are at stake?? False.
Fukk Batman for not snapping the Jokers neck after he killed Jason, when if he'd done so, it would've saved countless lives.
If he loved Gotham and its citizens, then he'd make the sacrifice for its greater good. Cuz love is sacrifice.
Originally posted by UniOmni
The biggest problem imo, with villains existing because heroes don't wanna cross a line, makes the hero the ultimate badguy in the overall picture.Lets say DC does close down, and decided to impart a list of people/beings killed by each baddie.
When you have a character like the joker, who took control of reality and wasn't killed after the day was saved, somethings wrong.
When someone like that can kill trillions on a whim, and you decide not to cross a line, you stop being the hero.
Heros don't kill true. Heroes don't kill win millions are at stake?? False.
Fukk Batman for not snapping the Jokers neck after he killed Jason, when if he'd done so, it would've saved countless lives.
If he loved Gotham and its citizens, then he'd make the sacrifice for its greater good. Cuz love is sacrifice.
The reason this doesn't occur is simply because villains become popular with people reading the comics. It would be a bad strategical move on their part to take away a villain permanently. Think about it; comic sales would drop massively. If you want to go by that logic, Batman should've killed Joker 40 or so years ago. The same goes basically for everybody's villain. If a specific villain goes down for good, then the fans get pissy. It's simply for comic sales. 🙂