About Anakin

I agree.

I don't know if Lucas was just thinking "oh, well, everyone knows how it turns out, so I'll just skip over logic" (which I think is unlikely because he said that he feels you should be able to watch the films from 1-6).

Maybe it was just Lucas being...Lucas....AGAIN. 😬

Problem is... the logic is there. There just isn't any credible drama...

not to mention dialogue.

the logic is "there." I still think you have to get way to creative on your own time to fill it in.

Well, another scene like him in the temple before he goes to help Palps would have been great.

After all that happens, he sits around again thinking (could even be silent with quiet imperial march/Emperor theme playing) and we see him resolved that now he's helped Palps, now he's gotta kill them all, and he doesn't like it, but resolves himself to his new tasks.

It wouldn't work for the movie of course, having two scenes like that book-ending his choice to help Palps and go against Mace, but it would have taken what we knew was the reason for his turn, and given it a better visual picture.

I get the rejection of the Jedi, but I still don't understand the embrace of the Sith.

Indeed... and that is the problem. We don't understand/feel why Anakin turns so abruptedly. There's not MUCH seduction, is there.

No. Which is dissappointing...because I think MacDarmid was actually one of the "better actors" in ROTS...and I really think he was looking forward to that role (the conversion).

are we all finally coming to the realisation that the PT sucked? or do you need more time? its too soon, isnt it?

😂

THe sense of a wasted opportunity gets me everytime.

I buy it. It is credible. It didn't just 'happen.' It was a
long, deliberate seduction, masterminded by Sidious and
perhaps the will of the force.

He didn't have just one reason to switch teams.

1. To save Padme's life
2. So it won't happen the way he lost his mother.
3. Because the Jedi didn't trust him.
4. There were things about the force the Jedi weren't telling him.
5. The Jedi insulted him by refusing to make him a master when he was named to the Jedi Council.
6. The Jedi made him spy on the Chancellor.
7. Mace ordered him to stay behind.
8. Mace was going to kill the Chancellor, (in violation of the Jedi Code) and Sidious' knowledge of the power to cheat death would have been lost.

I mean, how many more do you need?

The only time Anakin/Vader showed any signs of Hamletism was when Luke was being electrocuted.

Originally posted by PVS
are we all finally coming to the realisation that the PT sucked? or do you need more time? its too soon, isnt it?

And as stated, it's understandable why Anakin suddenly turned his back on the Jedi, but to give in to the Dark Side within 2 minutes, where only 4 minutes before THAT he was gonna let the Dark Side LOSE, is a pretty lame excuse for his fall.

His seduction and temptation was movie-spanning, but his actual fall was instantaneous and rather unfeasible.

Originally posted by PVS
are we all finally coming to the realisation that the PT sucked? or do you need more time? its too soon, isnt it?

No. The PT did not suck. It never will.

But it's mediocre

According to some people, yes.

And debatably mediocre, if I may add.

..debatebly mediocre, according to some people.

👆

Originally posted by queeq
There's not MUCH seduction, is there.

In the movie anyway.....

Yes...the book IS better.

But only the movie counts for real.... It's not the like ROTS book is some great addition to world literature.

Originally posted by Tangible God
I realised that at the end of the midnight screening of TPM in 1999.

And as stated, it's understandable why Anakin suddenly turned his back on the Jedi, but to give in to the Dark Side within 2 minutes, where only 4 minutes before THAT he was gonna let the Dark Side LOSE, is a pretty lame excuse for his fall.

His seduction and temptation was movie-spanning, but his actual fall was instantaneous and rather unfeasible.

If you had watched Return of the Jedi, you would've heard Anakin reveal to Luke why he would give in to the Dark Side....."It is the only way you can save your friends". Anakin thought that the Dark Side could help Padme survive childbirth and that PalpSidious could teach him how he could gain access to that power which is why he swore his alliegeance to him.

Besides, Anakin's fall to the Dark Side didn't happen in 2 minutes, it happened when he killed Dooku but Anakin doesn't realise it until after he betrays Mace.