Originally posted by queeq
And neither do we, the viewers... And that is where the film goes wrong. We don't see it happening and therefore it feels very abrupt.
Whaddya mean we don't see it? It's right on the screen for the whole of the movie before he makes his sith pledge! You just have to open your eyes.
Originally posted by ForcewielderThe lines he used on Luke were the same seductive lines Palps used on HIM. They're lines of SEDUCTION, not nobility.
If you had watched Return of the Jedi, you would've heard Anakin reveal to Luke why he would give in to the Dark Side....."It is the only way you can save your friends". Anakin thought that the Dark Side could help Padme survive childbirth and that PalpSidious could teach him how he could gain access to that power which is why he swore his alliegeance to him.Besides, Anakin's fall to the Dark Side didn't happen in 2 minutes, it happened when he killed Dooku but Anakin doesn't realise it until after he betrays Mace.
Anakin fell to the Dark Side to save his wife and in so doing, killed her, killed himself(Anakin that is, Vader emerges) and lost his children. And Anakin was steadily edging towards the Dark Side, but didn't actually fall until Palpatine said "Become my apprentice." Just like how the runaway jeep is getting closer and closer to the cliff but hasn't actually fallen until it plunges over the edge.
The guy was just weeping over his actions and then tosses his remorse to the wind and pledges himself to the Sith he swore to destroy. Within TWO MINUTES. Hell I think I'm being generous with the time as well. For the sake of the movie, his fall was far too fast.
Originally posted by chinabing
Whaddya mean we don't see it? It's right on the screen for the whole of the movie before he makes his sith pledge! You just have to open your eyes.
That still makes it abrupt and not credible... that's the whole point some of us try to make. The information is there, some of it's quite hidden, but I just don't buy the whole turn from wanting to turn Palpy in to hacking off Mace's hands, then screaming : What have I done, and then immediately: "I pledge myself to your teachings... " ....Oh yeah and let's slaughter all the kids at the temple...
BIZARRE!!!
Wasn't that bizarre, to be honest. He was a psychological mess by then. People snap like that in real life all the time, suddenly going on kill crazy rampages when seemingly nice guys not long before. It might be a bit extreme but then it is just a film, and a film in which very extreme things happen. The point of fall to the Dark Side may well affect you like that.
Maybe it would help you if you accepted once and for all, that you can't change Star Wars. Only GL can. I previously rattled off a dozen reasons why he fell to the dark side, and there are probably dozens more.
Anakin/Vader was a decisive character, always; never was he a Hamlet. He never was a namby-pamby, wishy-washy, navel-gazer! He made his choice quickly. That's how he was.
Originally posted by chinabing
Whaddya mean we don't see it? It's right on the screen for the whole of the movie before he makes his sith pledge! You just have to open your eyes.
One minute ANakin hates the Chancellor, has a lightsaber at his throat. Ne next, Anakin is whining to become a Sith. THAT is an aburbt transisition.
Originally posted by Jedi Priestess
Not in my world. 😂I normally despise EU, but with the ROTS novelization I make an exception. It may be wrong, but that book is what counts to me.
Originally posted by chinabing
Anakin/Vader was a decisive character, always; never was he a Hamlet. He never was a namby-pamby, wishy-washy, navel-gazer! He made his choice quickly. That's how he was.
anakin is surposed to be whiney. thats part of the reson he turned to the darkside... and part of the reosn he deserved to get hacked up by dooku and obi-wan.
and considering the 6 films (thrity to fourty years) happens in 12 hours, id say that his decition shouldn't have been much longer. maybe a little
What constraints????? Lucas had absolutely NO constraints in making these movies. He seemed to have lost his nack for storytelling, which in the end is the only reason why these films don't wokr as well as the old ones. And storytelling is something you start doing behind a desk, and Lucas even does it with pencil and paper. If you don't get it right there, you never get it right. And IMHO, that's where these films go wrong.
And I DO accept that this is SW, but that doesn't mean I have to LIKE everything. The PT is just a collection of many missed opportunities. And for someone who has no constraints whatsoever (the merchandise alone made his films profitable) that is a shame...
Originally posted by queeq
What constraints?????
The constraints he gave himself....3 films, no more than 2.5 hours each.
The PT is not all missed opportunities. The Clone Wars is my favorite period in SW, becuase this saga, which always had these wonderful environments and weapons, finalll gave birth to some military science fiction.
The PT gets us more into new environments...outdoors, instead of sitting in cockpits all the time. The idea of the plot is excellent, but its immensely complex. And complex polt are always complicated to deal with.
Because of this, no one thing gets all the attention, unlike the PT where a few characters get a lot of attention.
The plot was nice, the storytelling sucked. Getting an audience to identify with characters is key to a good film. Check out films like Short Cuts or Magnolia: lots of characters tehre, yet they compel me... The SW characters in the PT do not. What is the difference? Bad characterisation and bad storytelling...