Originally posted by pr1983I agree, as both gets their share of fanboys
Well, frankly, there are days i come on here and see people raving about green lanterns, how the flash is pretty much invincible, and how martian manhunter is sooo wonderful in so many ways...yes, more people read marvel, but when it comes to the people on this forum who read comics and know what they're talking about, dc gets its share too...
most of the people who favour marvel more than they should have probably never read a DC comic...
Flash- can drop the multiverse on you
SS- can turn you into a cucumber
Superman- Hes Superman
Batman- Batgod of prep
MM- mindrape invincible and intangible
Doom- Prep God
Aquaman- magic hand automatic loss
Quasar- absorbtion God
Juggs unstoppable
Galactus- what percents he at
It works both ways dude and currently I think marvel is outselling DC so any new members are going to come on and pick what they know, thats a given. But seriously why cry
Originally posted by badabing
Here are links to battles which have DC vs Marvel. They all have polls so everybody can decide.
Batman vs Spider-Man
Spider-Man
Superman vs Hulk
Superman
Superman vs Silver Surfer
Silver Surfer
Superman vs Thor
Thor
Black Panther vs Batman
Black Panther
Superman vs Magneto
Superman by way of speedblitz
Batman vs Wolverine
Wolverine
Black Adam vs Thor
Thor
Superman vs Juggernaut
Superman
Superman vs Nate Grey
Superman by way of speedblitz
Hercules vs Wonderwoman
Wonder Woman
Batman vs Namor
Namor
Quicksilver vs Flash
I'm not going to dignify that with a response.
Hulk & Juggernaut vs Superman & Wonderwoman
Superman and Wonder Woman.
X has spoken. So shall it be.
Originally posted by badabing
Here are links to battles which have DC vs Marvel. They all have polls so everybody can decide.Batman vs Spider-Man
http://marvelite.prohosting.com/surfer/profiles/pip.html
Superman vs Hulk
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f77/t371986.html
Superman vs Silver Surfer
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=29475
Superman vs Thor
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f77/t344165.html
Black Panther vs Batman
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f77/t303660.html
Superman vs Magneto
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f77/t337088.html
Batman vs Wolverine
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f77/t21541.html
Black Adam vs Thor
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f77/t357234.html
Superman vs Juggernaut
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=411064
Superman vs nate Grey
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=415862
Hercules vs Wonderwoman
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=354220
Batman vs Namor
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f77/t361984.html
Quicksilver vs Flash
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f77/t337984.html
Hulk & Juggernaut vs Superman & Wonderwoman
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=407929
Originally posted by badabing
Here are links to battles which have DC vs Marvel. They all have polls so everybody can decide.Batman vs Spider-Man
http://marvelite.prohosting.com/surfer/profiles/pip.html
Superman vs Hulk
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f77/t371986.html
Superman vs Silver Surfer
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=29475
Superman vs Thor
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f77/t344165.html
Black Panther vs Batman
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f77/t303660.html
Superman vs Magneto
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f77/t337088.html
Batman vs Wolverine
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f77/t21541.html
Black Adam vs Thor
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f77/t357234.html
Superman vs Juggernaut
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=411064
Superman vs nate Grey
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=415862
Hercules vs Wonderwoman
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=354220
Batman vs Namor
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f77/t361984.html
Quicksilver vs Flash
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f77/t337984.html
Hulk & Juggernaut vs Superman & Wonderwoman
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=407929
Originally posted by Big Sexy
I agree, as both gets their share of fanboysFlash- can drop the multiverse on you
SS- can turn you into a cucumber
Superman- Hes Superman
Batman- Batgod of prep
MM- mindrape invincible and intangible
Doom- Prep God
Aquaman- magic hand automatic loss
Quasar- absorbtion God
Juggs unstoppable
Galactus- what percents he atIt works both ways dude and currently I think marvel is outselling DC so any new members are going to come on and pick what they know, thats a given. But seriously why cry
Yeah...
Batman vs Spider-Man
Spider-Man
Superman vs Hulk
Superman
Superman vs Silver Surfer
Silver Surfer
Superman vs Thor
Thor (f*ckin hammer)
Black Panther vs Batman
Black Panther
Superman vs Magneto
Superman...
Batman vs Wolverine
Bats (the utility belt, its like an instant cheat)
Black Adam vs Thor
Thor
Superman vs Juggernaut
Superman
Superman vs Nate Grey
Superman by way of speedblitz ✅
Hercules vs Wonderwoman
Wonder Woman
Batman vs Namor
Namor
Quicksilver vs Flash
I'm not going to dignify that with a response. 😛
Hulk & Juggernaut vs Superman & Wonderwoman
Superman and Wonder Woman.
thx fer typin em x... 😛
Originally posted by Big Sexy
I agree, as both gets their share of fanboysFlash- can drop the multiverse on you
SS- can turn you into a cucumber
Superman- Hes Superman
Batman- Batgod of prep
MM- mindrape invincible and intangible
Doom- Prep God
Aquaman- magic hand automatic loss
Quasar- absorbtion God
Juggs unstoppable
Galactus- what percents he atIt works both ways dude and currently I think marvel is outselling DC so any new members are going to come on and pick what they know, thats a given. But seriously why cry
Originally posted by Big Sexy
Personally I find that most be dont have a bias towards compaines but more so the characters. I have to admit at first I was a typically behind marvel but people like batdude, Avalon, and Juntai helped me get out of that rut.
As far as the statements of Thor vs Superman, I think most people see the fight the way Captain Marvel and Superman have fought with Captain marvel with the edge.
*retires from KMC*
Originally posted by pr1983
but as to who SHOULD win, that, like everything, is opinion, and everyone has their own... maybe ww CAN beat hercules, thats not to say whether she should or shouldnt...
Originally posted by Validus
Very true of course but I generally find it easier to convince people of Marvel character than feats than DC. It only took a scan of half a page to convince everyone Silver Surfer could time travel yet Juntai and I had to ramble for 4 pages to show everyone Flash could do the same. Avalon has more Superman scans than I care to count yet he's pretty much brushed aside as a fanboy. I could think of more examples but quite frankly, I'm too lazy.
lol, and yeah, i do agree, hell, before i came to kmc the only thing i knew about green lantern was... well, that there was a hero named green lantern... 😖
outside of supes, bats and the flash i knew very little of dc (in terms of abilities), but like so many, the wonders of comic scans helped me a great deal... that and gigs of downloads...
DC I think isn't as commercial as marvel, and that is one of the problems in terms of readership... i'm not saying its better, just that alot of DC stuff is targeted at a slightly older audience than marvel generally is...
Re: The Versus Forums are very Marvel Biased
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
It's like no matter what the evidence on panel says, or a characters powers and rep, for some reason, people who like marvel, tend to argue you down. And They will use an argument like Thor is more versatile than Superman to explain why Thor wins. And Thor has magic for the win. And then will say silver surfer or quasar can beat a green lanter, Who is the most versatile of every super hero combined.(what happened to versatility?) Or they will say something like Wonder Woman can't beat Herculese, even tho she clearly has the stronger magic and versatility. What is up with that? I"m starting to think the versus forum is not really for serious debate so much as people liking to just out right pick thier favorite characters instead of the ones that should win. or at the very least, they read so much of one company, that they think that only that complany should win. It's so bad that even when I think a marvel character should win, i have to argue against it just to even the playing field.
how do you use versitility against Marvel, then use it in favor of DC, you are biased, and a DC fanboy.....it's all about opinion, and if you argue against Marvel even when you know the person is going to win, you are the biased one...... 😉
Re: Re: The Versus Forums are very Marvel Biased
Originally posted by NiñoArañabingo
how do you use versitility against Marvel, then use it in favor of DC, you are biased, and a DC fanboy.....it's all about opinion, and if you argue against Marvel even when you know the person is going to win, you are the biased one...... 😉
Re: Re: The Versus Forums are very Marvel Biased
Originally posted by NiñoAraña
how do you use versitility against Marvel, then use it in favor of DC, you are biased, and a DC fanboy.....it's all about opinion, and if you argue against Marvel even when you know the person is going to win, you are the biased one...... 😉
are you even reading what i'm saying? I"m saying that people argue about versatility with marvel characters, and then completely ingnore the versatility of DC characters. Please read waht I write before you start going off.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirlSeriously, aren't you the one calling everyone a Marvel zombie, just because they said Beyonder is above Myx?
It's like no matter what the evidence on panel says, or a characters powers and rep, for some reason, people who like marvel, tend to argue you down. And They will use an argument like Thor is more versatile than Superman to explain why Thor wins. And Thor has magic for the win. And then will say silver surfer or quasar can beat a green lanter, Who is the most versatile of every super hero combined.(what happened to versatility?) Or they will say something like Wonder Woman can't beat Herculese, even tho she clearly has the stronger magic and versatility. What is up with that? I"m starting to think the versus forum is not really for serious debate so much as people liking to just out right pick thier favorite characters instead of the ones that should win. or at the very least, they read so much of one company, that they think that only that complany should win. It's so bad that even when I think a marvel character should win, i have to argue against it just to even the playing field.
Re: The Versus Forums are very Marvel Biased
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
It's like no matter what the evidence on panel says, or a characters powers and rep, for some reason, people who like marvel, tend to argue you down.
The forum in question is, by your own admition, a debate forum. How talented and capable of debaters do you think we would be if the first iota of evidence changed our opinions (especially regarding comic characters, hardly an exact science).
What you are saying is that you like it when you get to say your reasons, though anyone who disagrees is not correct for they do not reason in the same way you do.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
And They will use an argument like Thor is more versatile than Superman to explain why Thor wins. And Thor has magic for the win. And then will say silver surfer or quasar can beat a green lanter, Who is the most versatile of every super hero combined.(what happened to versatility?)
I'm going to try to address this "versatility" thing for you.
1) Versatility is not a power/power set/power rating. It simply means that someone has an array of powers. Versatility is not, however, the deciding factor in a fight. Take Spider-Man vs Juggernaut. Spider-Man is more versatile than juggernaut, seeing as he has many more powers that can be used for a wider array of purposes, though nobody in their right mind would claim that Spidey can take down juggs in man to man combat.
2) Since versatility has no bearing on the power of a character, just the scope of their abilities, the argument "X wins because they are versitile" is moot. Basically, it is logically unsound to say that a character of one power level can beat another simply because one is more versatile.
3) In fights where characters can be shown to have similar power levels in strength, speed, ect, the ability to use these or extra powers in a more creative way than the opponent would be enough to rationally tip the scales in favor of the more versatile combatant.
4) pertaining specifically to the fights you have mentioned, the combatants in fights that come down to "versatility" are normally so evenly matched that there is no clear winner. While I agree with you that just to say "X wins because of versatility" is lame, Thor having a bit of magical powers whereas superman has none, is an advantage (im not saying thor would win, there is a big enough thread on this one already). With matches involving characters able to manipulate matter or reality (such as in surfer vs lantern) versatility is almost impossible to proove, as both are often shown as being able to do whatever it is the plot calls for them to. Again, the fight becomes a toss up because of how similar their powers are. In situations like this, the debate and disagreement are fantastic things, as they show that we have achually found fights that would work well if done in a comic book.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Or they will say something like Wonder Woman can't beat Herculese, even tho she clearly has the stronger magic and versatility.
Since i touched on versatility above, ill just say this, because people dont agree is no reason to be discouraged. YOU WILL NOT CHANGE ANYONE'S OPINION on these boards (I can get you the scientific data to proove this). Usually however, the more debate the better the fight and the more people provide scans and proof the more consentual common ground will form (ie, people go from "Thor whoops superman" to "wow, supes vs Thor would be a great fight, though Thor would win"😉.
If you can make someone do even that, you are a champion debater.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
What is up with that? I"m starting to think the versus forum is not really for serious debate so much as people liking to just out right pick thier favorite characters instead of the ones that should win. or at the very least, they read so much of one company, that they think that only that complany should win.
Yes, you are absolutly correct, there are lots of people who will run to a thread and quickly just blurt out "X wins because i am a fanboy". However:
1) Most of this is based on ignorance of the characters. The best way to fight ignorance is with evidence and rational debate. Again, dont try to change people's minds, it wont happen, just make them more aware of the way the characters are potrayed in the comics and hopefully they can come to a more holistic understanding of the heroes.
2) There are some DAMN good debaters on these forums. Yes, there are newbie fanboys, but the good ones are obvious. Look to these people, try to learn from their experience with their favorite character, but also let them be aware of your own experience and interpretations. However, it is best to not come off as beligerant. You must know how to call a spade a spade, ie, a loss a loss.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
It's so bad that even when I think a marvel character should win, i have to argue against it just to even the playing field.
Not to critisize, but this is exactly what you are complaining about, people who continue to make invalid arguments in the face of better logic and reason.
Try to think of the characters as existing beyond the tribal mentality of Marvel or DC, Superman is just Superman, Thor is just Thor. Now, can the god of thunder beat up "faster than a speeding bullet"? maybe, but its not about DC vs Marvel, its about the heroes themselves.
-[M]