Originally posted by Darth Sexy
It is very possible and likely that Plagueis created Sidious even though Sidious isn't as powerful as Anakin, and here's why. You all will agree with me that human beings, animals, and ANY living beings are NOT perfect right? Ok moving on. In the star wars galaxy, the Force is pretty much "God", and God is perfect, I don't think there can be any argument about that. Good is omniscient, omnipotent, infallible, etc. Anyways, lets assume that at the very best, Darth Plagueis is the closest to perfection any force user can come to, and his creation was Sidious. Now because he created Sidious by manipulating the midichlorians within the force, Sidious also is as close to perfect as can get, but neither him nor Plagueis ARE perfect because they are living beings and living beings are normally not perfect. NOW.. Anakin was created by the force, by God himself basically, so technically Anakin IS perfect because he was created by God who is perfect. I mean you can compare him to Jesus or whatever. Anyways that kinda explains how Plagueis could have created Sidious and the force could create Anakin, and why Anakin is more powerful than Sidious, while they were both technically created by the force.
Actually, in the New Essential Chronology it states this specifically:
"The child that resulted from this Force miracle, Plagueis insisted, would be the living embodiment of the Force itself - and at that moment, Sidious knew his master was discussing his replacement." - NEC, page 32.
It goes on further to state that that is the reason Palpatine killed Plagueis. So, if what Plagueis "insists" is true, and that it would be like the living embodiment of the Force, then I fail to see how even being created out of the Force would make you so much stronger, let alone just a little. Anakin's potential is lightyears away from Sidious' own. That does not make sense, even if you take the theory above, because he could manipulate midi-chlorians. That quote kind of turns down your theory for those reasons, and this also hints that Sidious was not born from the Force, because why would Plagueis want to create another? He really wouldn't. So, you're theory now would beg question as to why? Why a "replacement" if you already have what you wanted?And, the next line after says this:
"The work necessary to create a Force-conceived child continued, however. It is unclear whether Plagueis had initiated the process before his death..." - NEC, page 32.
I don't know how to explain this line clearly, or what point it'd make. But it's kind of hinting at the fact that they didn't complete the process yet, which would throw Sidious' orchestrated birth out the window. It's pretty obvious Plaguies did not create Sidious, at least in my views, though that line is pretty irrelevant, lol, I don't know why I have it up there. But here we go:
"His murder on his own master, Darth Plagueis. The role that the Sith hadplayed in creating Anakin by manipulating midi-chlorians". - NEC, page 82.
So, as it would seem, the Sith did create Anakin by manipulating midi-chlorians, so that mean if Sidious was created, he'd be as strong. And it also means that the Force didn't conceive Anakin, which throws your entire theorium out the window. It also adds to the fact that Sidious' own potential wasn't nearly as strong as Anakin's, which - if he was created by Plagueis - it would've (keep in mind, I'm just discussing the "what if" Palpatine was made). Okay, and the next line is about the time frame of Sidious' apprenticeship:
"It is unclear how Palpatine fell under the mentorship of the Sith Lord Darth Plagueis." - NEC, page 32.
Now, while that line doesn't say much, or actually answer anything. The date does. It is listed under 52 BBY to 46 BBY, which can be found on page 32 of the New Essential Chronology. So, we know it was in that time frame that Sidious came to apprenticeship, and Sidious was already in his thirties at that time, possibly early to mid thirties (born 82 BBY) - so we can infer that Sidious was not created by Plagueis.
Originally posted by Council#13
Also, with that balance to the Force and destroying the Sith, with Darth Sexy's theory, Anakin is more powerful so he CAN destroy the Sith. We must wait for the Darth Plagueis novel to come out though to find out
Except, according to Plagueis - the only authority we have on the subject - the one created by "this Force miracle would be the living embodiment of the Force itself". And for that little Anakin explaination to be correct, you'd have to take in the fact the Force is omnipotent, and would know what happens. Anakin ended up not being as powerful as Sidious. So, "power" has nothing to do with it really.
Originally posted by Advent
Except, according to Plagueis - the only authority we have on the subject - the one created by "this Force miracle would be the [b]living embodiment of the Force itself". And for that little Anakin explaination to be correct, you'd have to take in the fact the Force is omnipotent, and would know what happens. Anakin ended up not being as powerful as Sidious. So, "power" has nothing to do with it really. [/B]
Yeah, it did make somewhat sense honestly. More sense that Plagueis creating Anakin, as it actually has meaning. Then again, Star Wars doesn't have to make sense, it just has to make money for Lucas, m i rite?
Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Yea but he DID fulfill the prophecy, so the Force, like God, works in mysterious ways.
But again, Anakin didn't need to be more powerful. That's what I'm talking about. If Anakin was created to be "more powerful so he CAN destroy the Sith", he ended up not be as powerful - so power didn't matter too much.