Originally posted by Sabretooth
I'm not even going to try to decipher your order or try to figure out why you think cyclops is such a badass. I'm just going to say Omega Red & Wolverine beat everybody on the list but Iron Man & Human Torch, Juggernaut if he's his classic self and Savage Hulk.
Cyclops >x100 Wolverine 😐
Wolverine cannot TOUCH Cyclops.
Originally posted by The Pictomega red can pick thing up by the arms and then thing loses all leverage...he can't use his strength without footing..hell doc ock proved that with the damned hulk..you think thing will be any different?
Thing will stand around and let himself be "broken?" nope is the answer and they don't have the strength to anyway. Thing hauls Omega towards him by his tentacles and crushes his head.
Originally posted by The Pictthat's a rather off diversion....😬
He took him out? So Thing is dead and its Logan's fault? Hmm.
wolverine has taken out ben on 2 occasions now.. 😐
not killed but he certainly scored winning blows...
Originally posted by wolvertooth
there you go enjoyhttp://img174.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wt3mxqe4.jpg
and wendigo 2
wendigo's no big deal?🤨
you mean the same class 100 character that has one upped sasquatch...
that has gone toe to toe with hulk...
and that has forced, sasquatch, AND hulk into fighting him at once? THAT wendigo? 😕
fact is wendigo's a HUGE deal.. however he suffers the same problem that thing does.. he's not immune to a wolvie claw strike... simple as that... sabretooth is wolverine on pcp and then some.. the guy kills superman rip offs for god sakes...and nearly tore the head off a guy that stalemated hercules in an arm wrestling match... you can't just discard wendigo because he got killed by sabretooth especially when sabretooth has a history of being a friggin BEAST when he's not jobbing...
not to mention the fact that that's not JUST wendigo in that pic.. that's maivaus-wendigo...a sorceror who ate wendigo's heart after and became stronger than the woodland gods..
not a big deal you say?😐
Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
http://image.milehighcomics.com/istore/images/fullsize/95078701518.111.GIFn'uff said
Um... okay... let's see...
You're a FANBOY... and... um... a NON-JOBBING Marvel Universe would so kick Wolverine's ass... and... THAT WAS A NON-CANON SOURCE so you better be careful 'cause that's against the rules and I'm gonna report you for being BIASED 'cause you're a FANBOY who's BIASED and... um... The MARVEL HANDBOOK SAYS THE UNIVERSE IS WAY STRONGER THAN WORVERINE so there... and... THAT WAS PIS and... IT WAS ALSO CIS so you better get your facts straight FANBOY...
There. Did I miss any of the overused cliche terms everbody tries to argue with on this board?
Originally posted by Grimm22bullshite...
Wow 😐I agree Ben loses the majority to the duo, but that is ridiculous.
Its pretty freakin obvious that you dont know crap about Ben
I don't know crap about ben because he's going to be subject to the same laws of physics hulk was when dok ock picked him up off his feet? 😬
dude it's simple science.. without footing and being held in the air by a guy that has used his tenticles to lift friggin tanks! thing isn't going anywhere...
Originally posted by Grimm22
Face Slashing wasnt a victory ❌Enemy of the State = Crap
your opinion on enemy of the state makes absolutely no difference on what actually took place.. wolverine handed thing his ass... get over it.
Originally posted by The Pict
Adamantium is strong enough to go through Thing but only if enough force is applied. Wolverine doesn't have that strength, I am suprised he did more than scratch him.
I still give the majority to Thing, he has taken on tougher opponents than these two.
WHAT?!?!? the hell???
wolverine cut half of thing's face off before... they made a long drawn out story where thing had to cope with what happened to him.. he wore a helmet for a really long time.. you can't deny that he's been cut...
Originally posted by The Pict
If this happens with the cap think of what Ben will do,though this is a terrible fight (which is kinda why I posted it)
what will ben do? absolutely nothing like that that's for damned sure...
sorry but pathetic example...
cap sneak attacked wolverine TWICE! hell before he threw his shield wolverine had his back turned to cap and was explaining himself... 😐
thing also doesn't have a shield.. isnt' has fast as cap.. and is NOWHERE NEAR as tacticle or as good a fighter... those are just the simple breaks..
Originally posted by jinzin
bullshite...I don't know crap about ben because he's going to be subject to the same laws of physics hulk was when dok ock picked him up off his feet? 😬
dude it's simple science.. without footing and being held in the air by a guy that has used his tenticles to lift friggin tanks! thing isn't going anywhere...
wrong... it's a far superior showing.. wolvie took ben out of the fight... ben was doubled over and wolvie was on top of him all over again.. had the battle persisted wolverine would have killed him... or KOed him... butfor all intents and purposes it was a TKO...
your opinion on enemy of the state makes absolutely no difference on what actually took place.. wolverine handed thing his ass... get over it.
First, you said that Ben loses all of his strength when he's not on the ground?!?! 🤨
He's not the F***in Blob.
Second, the face slash didnt KO Ben. And even if you do consider it a KO, Ben KO'ed Wolverine right back.
Enemy of the State would make sense if you completely take everything about Ben's character and throw it in the trash.
First, Wolverine dosent have the strength to STAB Ben. He can slash Ben, not Stab ❌
Also, Ben was beaten nearly half to death by Champion. And guess what. He didnt give up. He kept on fighting to the end even when there was no hope left. But, when Wolverine stabs him in the arm he gives up?!? 🤨
And dont give me any of that Wolverine knows where nerves are, because Ben's biology is so complicated even Reed has trouble figureing it out
Originally posted by Grimm22again.. FIND EXAMPLES where thing's been eviserated and stood up to it? he takes damaga on the OUTSIDE all the time.. however blunt force trauma.. DOES NOT = stabbing effeciency..
First, you just listed the bigest PIS showings in their fighting history 😐Enemy of the State was a joke. Wolverine dosent have the strength to STAB Ben, and even if he could, Ben was beaten nearly to death by Champion and guess what... He didnt give up. But when Wolverine stabs him in the arm he just sits there and mopes?!?! 🤨
Second, This isnt the Ultimate versions, but even so that was still crap writing. Wolverine kick wouldnt do crap to Ben even if he was off balance. Crap Crap Crap
wolverine has stabbed hulk, thanos, herc, namor, presumably abomination, he's shredded organic steal, shredded reinforced titanium like it was wet paper... but he can't cut thing? PFFFFTTTTTT!!!!
and AGAIN..in ULTIMATE thing was OFF BALANCE.. he's no more immune to momentum than he is to leverage...
Originally posted by jinzin
again.. FIND EXAMPLES where thing's been eviserated and stood up to it? he takes damaga on the OUTSIDE all the time.. however blunt force trauma.. DOES NOT = stabbing effeciency..wolverine has stabbed hulk, thanos, herc, namor, presumably abomination, he's shredded organic steal, shredded reinforced titanium like it was wet paper... but he can't cut thing? PFFFFTTTTTT!!!!
and AGAIN..in ULTIMATE thing was OFF BALANCE.. he's no more immune to momentum than he is to leverage...
First, Ben was in a gang as a kid. I find it hard to believe that Ben has never been stabbed before.
Second, in the Ult. fight, Ben was leaning forward, Wolverine kicks him in the face and he falls on his back?!?! 🤨
Not only does that not make sense, in the laws of phycics, it also makes no sense considering Ben's durability
Originally posted by Grimm22uhhhh no.. he retains his strength... he just won't be able to use it to any effective degree.. seriously.. have you seen what dock ock did to hulk? if you haven't then you need to shut your corn hole cause you clearly misunderstood my point...
First, you said that Ben loses all of his strength when he's not on the ground?!?! 🤨
point being.. once bens taken off his feat he has no leverage to MAKE USE of his strength... obviously he's still a strong character... probably not as strong as usual considering the death spores.. but lets get serious here.. it took to combined help of gambit, collosus, storm, and wolvie to put omega red away when he got serious....
Originally posted by Grimm22I didn't say it was strictly a KO I said it was a TKO.. do you even know what that is? 😬
Second, the face slash didnt KO Ben. And even if you do consider it a KO, Ben KO'ed Wolverine right back.
and no thing didn't KO wolvie since wolverine was right back in the fight... again.. thing=doubled over.. wolverine= hoveringover thing... wolverine was clearly shown to be superior in that particular instance.
Originally posted by Grimm22he certainly has the strength to stab ben.. his clawsare so damned sharp that hardly any strength at all is needed to accomplish a simple stabbing feat... all you have is fanboy speculation.. you say we're ignoring things character but you're blatently discarding everything logan's actually done and saying it doesn't count...
Enemy of the State would make sense if you completely take everything about Ben's character and throw it in the trash.First, Wolverine dosent have the strength to STAB Ben. He can slash Ben, not Stab ❌
Originally posted by Grimm22I already answered your broken record for the champion argument.. and the nerve thing.. well again.. just because reed has trouble understanding his biology doesn't mean those nerves are no longer there...
Also, Ben was beaten nearly half to death by Champion. And guess what. He didnt give up. He kept on fighting to the end even when there was no hope left. But, when Wolverine stabs him in the arm he gives up?!? 🤨And dont give me any of that Wolverine knows where nerves are, because Ben's biology is so complicated even Reed has trouble figureing it out
In ancient Japan, they were able to sharpen swords to the point where they cut through a handkerchief simply by turning the blade upward and dropping the handkerchief above the blade, letting it float down across the blade only to end up on the ground in two halves, involving absolutely no force whatsoever. I don't think sufficient force would be necessary if Wolverine's claws are sharpened to the point where they cut through "steel as it were rice paper" as stated and demonstrated in the comics on several occasions.
